Celtics 2025-26, Off-Season/Training Camp Thread

ConstableGeneva · Post #881 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:09 pm

via Sean Grande:

The Celtics have not lost two straight since April.

It's been...

** 30 games since their last L2 (2024)
** 127 games since their last L3 (2023)
** 277 games since their last L4 (2021)
** 811 games since their last L5 (2014)

All four are the longest current NBA streaks.

Fencer reregistered · Post #882 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:09 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:via Sean Grande:
The Celtics have not lost two straight since April.

It's been...

** 30 games since their last L2 (2024)
** 127 games since their last L3 (2023)
** 277 games since their last L4 (2021)
** 811 games since their last L5 (2014)

All four are the longest current NBA streaks.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2024/12/23/24327892/boston-celtics-strategy-of-not-losing-basketball-games-jayson-tatum

Sure, the Celtics are great at winning basketball games, but they’re even better at not losing basketball games, a genius strategy a team like the Lakers should consider implementing.

ConstableGeneva · Post #883 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Dec 25, 2024 1:14 am

Our starting five last season, first 5 games (4-1): +74 in 87 minutes; 56/43/91 splits; 68.31% TS%
Our starting five this season, first 6 games (4-2): -12 in 85 minutes; 46/29/77 splits; 55.66% TS%

Our regular starting lineup came out like a house on fire last season. Why we were having huge leads out of the gates then it was just a matter of sustaining/padding them when bench units came in. Not the same vigor and efficiency in the first few games this season for whatever reason. Something to monitor.

ConstableGeneva · Post #884 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Thu Dec 26, 2024 12:47 pm

Pointed this thing about our 3-pt defense earlier, more sample size now. It's been a month since KP came back.

Opponent 3-pt attempt rate:
KP ON floor: 44.1%
KP OFF floor: 38.9%

Opponent 3-pt field goal %:
KP ON floor: 39.8%
KP OFF floor: 34.1%

We also shoot the 3-ball worse when he's been on the floor (33.9% vs. 37.1%).

So the advantage we had earlier in the season with the 3-ball has essentially diminished once we got KP back even as our rim defense improved significantly. Opponents have shot more and better from 3 when KP plays while we ourselves have shot worse.

Pre-KP: Celtics had a slightly more than 20-pt advantage from 3 per game on average.
Since KP: That's down to slightly more than 12-pt advantage from 3 per game on average.

ConstableGeneva · Post #885 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Thu Dec 26, 2024 1:28 pm

dunksandthrees hasn't watched our recent games? C's still holding strong at #1 spot. Only team with double digit net rating.

Deivork · Post #886 » by **Deivork** » Thu Dec 26, 2024 4:44 pm

Not great at the moment

phincsfan · Post #887 » by **phincsfan** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 1:48 pm

Sam missing games definitely has had an effect on the rotation.

He missed 3 games (two in a row towards the end of the season). PP didn't miss one game. They had two guaranteed guys each night last year that were available to get minutes and contribute. The back is gonna be an issue all season IMO for Sam which means the starters will play ALOT. Not ideal, but it's gonna be one of those seasons. I've seen many NBA coaches fall into the trap of thinking your guys can play each night for 40 minutes. That has ruined many players careers and never materialized into rings for many coaches.

I'd rather Joe just give guaranteed minutes to Neems and Walsh each night, even Peterson should get some burn. The starting 5 with AL is still gonna be the best group in the NBA during the playoffs. Don't prioritize wins for the regular season, prioritize mileage for those bench guys to keep the starters as healthy as you can for the playoffs. Let OKC, NY and Cle battle for home court.

When the Warriors won in 17/18 for the back to back the starters all jumped up in minutes by a good amount in the playoffs. None of the starters played more than 73 games. GS had a 5 year stretch of finals appearances. Lots of mileage.

Unless he gets traded, I have a sneaky feeling it's gonna be the C's and Grizz in the finals and JT and JB will exorcise one final Maaaacus Smart demon.

Post #888 » by **djFan71** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:48 pm

I always wanna play 9-11 guys. Coaches always wanna get Ws. I think saving wear and tear on main guys and developing young guys into contributors is worth a few extra Ls. We're not even the top seed at this point anyways. Plus, the bench guys can give you a spark when the starters don't have it. Rather than just riding the starters more.

I don't think he gets regular minutes when everyone is healthy, but the Philly game would have been a great opportunity for Springer. No Jrue. Maxey out-quicking everyone and extending the lead by himself. If only we had an elite defensive guard to throw at him for 8-10 min and really make him work to even just get the ball up during those minutes.

With everyone healthy, I think Kornet over Neemy as 9, Walsh as 10.
With a big out, add Neemy
With a guard out, add Springer

ConstableGeneva · Post #889 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:08 pm

Compared to last season...

15th and 16th men have seen more minutes than 15th and 16th men last season.
14th guy (Springer) has seen 10 less minutes than 14th guy (Stevens) last season.
13th guy (Peterson) has seen 2 less minutes than 13th guy (Svi) last season.
12th guy (Tillman) has seen significantly more minutes than 12th guy (Banton) last season.
11th guy (Walsh) has seen 7 more minutes than 11th guy (Queta) last season.
10th guy (Queta) has seen more than double the minutes than 10th guy (Brissett) last season.
9th guy Kornet has almost doubled his minutes from last season.

Joe's used his deep bench more this season than last. Mainly due to Hauser and Porzingis injuries. But probably still not enough. Compounded by the fact that we're not winning as much (two less games).

Post #890 » by **djFan71** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:24 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:Compared to last season...

15th and 16th men have seen more minutes than 15th and 16th men last season.
14th guy (Springer) has seen 10 less minutes than 14th guy (Stevens) last season.
13th guy (Peterson) has seen 2 less minutes than 13th guy (Svi) last season.
12th guy (Tillman) has seen significantly more minutes than 12th guy (Banton) last season.
11th guy (Walsh) has seen 7 more minutes than 11th guy (Queta) last season.
10th guy (Queta) has seen more than double the minutes than 10th guy (Brissett) last season.
9th guy Kornet has almost doubled his minutes from last season.

Joe's used his deep bench more this season than last. Mainly due to Hauser and Porzingis injuries. But probably still not enough. Compounded by the fact that we're not winning as much (two less games).

Yeah, definitely 9 & 10 more this year due to injuries rather than a major change in philosophy. Though, I do think he was trying to get Walsh in, then kinda abandoned it when KP came back even when he sat or Hauser, out, etc.

But, we all also had the same complaint last year, lol. All we got out of it was a title. Pfft.

ConstableGeneva · Post #891 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:46 pm

djFan71 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:Compared to last season...

15th and 16th men have seen more minutes than 15th and 16th men last season.
14th guy (Springer) has seen 10 less minutes than 14th guy (Stevens) last season.
13th guy (Peterson) has seen 2 less minutes than 13th guy (Svi) last season.
12th guy (Tillman) has seen significantly more minutes than 12th guy (Banton) last season.
11th guy (Walsh) has seen 7 more minutes than 11th guy (Queta) last season.
10th guy (Queta) has seen more than double the minutes than 10th guy (Brissett) last season.
9th guy Kornet has almost doubled his minutes from last season.

Joe's used his deep bench more this season than last. Mainly due to Hauser and Porzingis injuries. But probably still not enough. Compounded by the fact that we're not winning as much (two less games).

Yeah, definitely 9 & 10 more this year due to injuries rather than a major change in philosophy. Though, I do think he was trying to get Walsh in, then kinda abandoned it when KP came back even when he sat or Hauser, out, etc.

But, we all also had the same complaint last year, lol. All we got out of it was a title. Pfft.

We also complained about not playing PP and Hauser minutes a couple seasons ago. Look at where they are now (or last year). Comes back to not all development happens during the games themselves.

But I am in the pro-9-to-11-man-rotation camp, FWIW. Still believe Springer and Tillman are NBA rotation players'. At least Tillman has already proven himself to be so. Dunno what's going on there.

Post #892 » by **djFan71** » Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:08 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:Compared to last season...

15th and 16th men have seen more minutes than 15th and 16th men last season.
14th guy (Springer) has seen 10 less minutes than 14th guy (Stevens) last season.
13th guy (Peterson) has seen 2 less minutes than 13th guy (Svi) last season.
12th guy (Tillman) has seen significantly more minutes than 12th guy (Banton) last season.
11th guy (Walsh) has seen 7 more minutes than 11th guy (Queta) last season.
10th guy (Queta) has seen more than double the minutes than 10th guy (Brissett) last season.
9th guy Kornet has almost doubled his minutes from last season.

Joe's used his deep bench more this season than last. Mainly due to Hauser and Porzingis injuries. But probably still not enough. Compounded by the fact that we're not winning as much (two less games).

Yeah, definitely 9 & 10 more this year due to injuries rather than a major change in philosophy. Though, I do think he was trying to get Walsh in, then kinda abandoned it when KP came back even when he sat or Hauser, out, etc.

But, we all also had the same complaint last year, lol. All we got out of it was a title. Pfft.

We also complained about not playing PP and Hauser minutes a couple seasons ago. Look at where they are now (or last year). Comes back to not all development happens during the games themselves.

But I am in the pro-9-to-11-man-rotation camp, FWIW. Still believe Springer and Tillman are NBA rotation players'. At least Tillman has already proven himself to be so. Dunno what's going on there.

We do like to complain. That is indisputable.

Post #893 » by **Parliament10** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:30 am

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ConstableGeneva · Post #894 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 4:06 pm

In the Mazzulla era, the Celtics are 76-1 when they shoot 55%+ eFG% while limiting their opponent to 55% eFG%. 68-50 (57.63%) otherwise.

Basketball made easy. Shoot well + opponent doesn't = WIN!

ConstableGeneva · Post #895 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 11:37 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:In the Mazzulla era, the Celtics are 76-1 when they shoot 55%+ eFG% while limiting their opponent to 55% eFG%. 68-50 (57.63%) otherwise.

Basketball made easy. Shoot well + opponent doesn't = WIN!

Celtics went 41-0 doing this last season. Half of our games! Just 9-0 this season so far.

Fencer reregistered · Post #896 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:43 am

djFan71 wrote:I always wanna play 9-11 guys. Coaches always wanna get Ws. I think saving wear and tear on main guys and developing young guys into contributors is worth a few extra Ls. We're not even the top seed at this point anyways. Plus, the bench guys can give you a spark when the starters don't have it. Rather than just riding the starters more.

I don't think he gets regular minutes when everyone is healthy, but the Philly game would have been a great opportunity for Springer. No Jrue. Maxey out-quicking everyone and extending the lead by himself. If only we had an elite defensive guard to throw at him for 8-10 min and really make him work to even just get the ball up during those minutes.

With everyone healthy, I think Kornet over Neemy as 9, Walsh as 10.
With a big out, add Neemy
With a guard out, add Springer

A CelticsBlog writer observes that Springer struggled guarding TJ McConnell, while Pritchard was more successful.

All similarities in initials aside, that makes one wonder ...

ConstableGeneva · Post #897 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:04 pm

via Todd Whitehead:

Tatum and White make an appearance.

Post #898 » by **Parliament10** » Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:28 pm

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Post #899 » by **Parliament10** » Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:30 pm

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zoyathedestroya · Post #900 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 6:22 am

Most metrics still have us as a top 3-5 team in the league but a team going through a bad stretch that hopefully doesn’t last long. We’re now closer to the rest of the pack than a top top tier team (tier of two atm). It’s concerning ‘cos we’ve been losing to some mediocre teams this December who just know and attack our tendencies without an ample response from our end. Shooting has regressed from last season but defense is the more pressing issue. Tatum said no one’s panicking. For sure. We’re months away from playoffs after all. But please show some urgency and consistency on defense.