PG: KNICKS vs Wemby - The Mikal Christmas Show!!!

[Jeff Van Gully]

The current NBA model of team building success seems to be two big stars surrounded by as many high impact role players, 'superglue players' I would call them, as it is possible to get within the CBA.

The best teams in the league have this model, the big 3 is dead, it's now a big 2 with a gang of superglue guys. The greater the impact of those glue guys, the higher the ceiling of the team.

Even the Heatles were ultimately this model because they didn't win until Bosh took a back seat and did role player things. At a certain point, volume scoring becomes redundant. Warriors had crazy luck with Curry's salary to be able to have a big 3 and great role players.

The Heat and the way that Riley and Spo were able to conjure up role players off the scrap heap and from out of nowhere definitely allowed them to fill out a capable roster around those 3.

With the Warriors one of their big 3 is an ultimate superglue guy that even allowed for the death line up to exist because he could guard both centers down to PGs. Without him it doesn't work.

gotta have a culture to do that consistently.

riley tree live on live long.

[stuporman]

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The Fournier/Kemba summer was pretty rough tbh. Then they traded a draft pick for Cam Reddish. He didn't start great.

Must have take ayahuasca or something in the spring of 2022 because that's when things started to take off.

Edit: They hired Gersson Rosas in February 2022.

That summer definitely came to mind but the Knicks had some young core pieces to pivot to and help rescue that season. As well as the 'we here' run it back summer which ended up in the Knicks only losing season under Thibs.

[Capn'O]

Even the Heatles were ultimately this model because they didn't win until Bosh took a back seat and did role player things. At a certain point, volume scoring becomes redundant. Warriors had crazy luck with Curry's salary to be able to have a big 3 and great role players.

The Heat and the way that Riley and Spo were able to conjure up role players off the scrap heap and from out of nowhere definitely allowed them to fill out a capable roster around those 3.

With the Warriors one of their big 3 is an ultimate superglue guy that even allowed for the death line up to exist because he could guard both centers down to PGs. Without him it doesn't work.

gotta have a culture to do that consistently.

riley tree live on live long.

We're starting to do the same. Guys have career seasons with us. Donte. Cam Payne. Nerlens. MJ Burks. Etc.

[Jeff Van Gully]

The Heat and the way that Riley and Spo were able to conjure up role players off the scrap heap and from out of nowhere definitely allowed them to fill out a capable roster around those 3.

With the Warriors one of their big 3 is an ultimate superglue guy that even allowed for the death line up to exist because he could guard both centers down to PGs. Without him it doesn't work.

gotta have a culture to do that consistently.

riley tree live on live long.

We're starting to do the same. Guys have career seasons with us. Donte. Cam Payne. Nerlens. MJ Burks. Etc.

indeed. jvg and thibs are riley tree. we are setting a long-term culture here as well.

[Capn'O]

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The Fournier/Kemba summer was pretty rough tbh. Then they traded a draft pick for Cam Reddish. He didn't start great.

Must have take ayahuasca or something in the spring of 2022 because that's when things started to take off.

Edit: They hired Gersson Rosas in February 2022.

That summer definitely came to mind but the Knicks had some young core pieces to pivot to and help rescue that season. As well as the 'we here' run it back summer which ended up in the Knicks only losing season under Thibs.

That was the same summer. We re-signed Nerlens and MJ Burks as well.

[Capn'O]

gotta have a culture to do that consistently.

riley tree live on live long.

We're starting to do the same. Guys have career seasons with us. Donte. Cam Payne. Nerlens. MJ Burks. Etc.

indeed. jvg and thibs are riley tree. we are setting a long-term culture here as well.

Riley Tree:



Pop Tree:

Spoiler:

Phil Jackson Tree:

[Jeff Van Gully]

We're starting to do the same. Guys have career seasons with us. Donte. Cam Payne. Nerlens. MJ Burks. Etc.

indeed. jvg and thibs are riley tree. we are setting a long-term culture here as well.

Riley Tree:



Pop Tree:

Spoiler:

Phil Jackson Tree:

where do you put steve kerr?

[Fat Kat]

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[stuporman]

The Fournier/Kemba summer was pretty rough tbh. Then they traded a draft pick for Cam Reddish. He didn't start great.

Must have take ayahuasca or something in the spring of 2022 because that's when things started to take off.

Edit: They hired Gersson Rosas in February 2022.

That summer definitely came to mind but the Knicks had some young core pieces to pivot to and help rescue that season. As well as the 'we here' run it back summer which ended up in the Knicks only losing season under Thibs.

That was the same summer. We re-signed Nerlens and MJ Burks as well.

Geeze, that was a terrible summer, both the running it back aspect and then thinking those two would be an offensive upgrade to help the team. Ouch

I mistakenly thought about Grimes being injected into the starting line up as being part of Fournier's first season in NY but probably forgot for mental health reasons he played a whole season setting the Knicks made 3ball record.

Dam you reminded me, why would you do that? That's so mean

[Capn'O]

indeed. jvg and thibs are riley tree. we are setting a long-term culture here as well.

Riley Tree:



Pop Tree:

Spoiler:

Phil Jackson Tree:

where do you put steve kerr?

Fair question. More Pop though Charlie Brown's tree does get a makeover. You?

[Capn'O]

That summer definitely came to mind but the Knicks had some young core pieces to pivot to and help rescue that season. As well as the 'we here' run it back summer which ended up in the Knicks only losing season under Thibs.

That was the same summer. We re-signed Nerlens and MJ Burks as well.

Geeze, that was a terrible summer, both the running it back aspect and then thinking those two would be an offensive upgrade to help the team. Ouch

I mistakenly thought about Grimes being injected into the starting line up as being part of Fournier's first season in NY but probably forgot for mental health reasons he played a whole season setting the Knicks made 3ball record.

Dam you reminded me, why would you do that? That's so mean

They started off so bad. Then all of a sudden between the Brunson signing, iHart signing, and Hart trade it was like:

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Sometimes you just have to get the right team together. Perrin runs the draft. Aller runs the cap. Rosas runs pro scouting/trades. WWW schmoozes or does whatever he does. It's a good group.

[sol537]

Still concerned about Towns’ defense most nights. Dude got torched by wemby and we lose that game if he didn’t get benched for foul trouble in the fourth. Someone’s gotta teach Towns how to be a better and smarter defender…

[stuporman]

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If that was KAT he would be called a terrible defender...

[Jeff Van Gully]

Riley Tree:



Pop Tree:

Spoiler:

Phil Jackson Tree:

where do you put steve kerr?

Fair question. More Pop though Charlie Brown's tree does get a makeover. You?

i don't know if it's a fair question. he played for both, but never coached under either. if i had to say who his coach persona reminds me more of, i'd go pop.

[egelband]

Man I'm just in awe of Josh Hart here...he just wanted it way more than anyone else, but I think it just takes a lot of skill and focus to be able to do this too...he basically bodied CP3 twice.

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Hart's end of game "Offensive rebound" was the most complicated, hustling, exciting series of plays you could imagine. It's probaby what Wemby referred to as not being basketball. If he's ever going to be a champion, Wemby will have to learn why Hart's hustle is the epitome of basketball. I love Hart.

100%. The glamour game might get a team to the dance but it’s guys like Hart that put a team over the top. The big guy is actually calling out his own teammates.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Still concerned about Towns’ defense most nights. Dude got torched by wemby and we lose that game if he didn’t get benched for foul trouble in the fourth. Someone’s gotta teach Towns how to be a better and smarter defender…

KAT's defense has been improving, he's been solid in his individual matchups for most of the season (Jokic/Embiid). This is the first game where someone else was doing to him what he's done to most defenders this season.


The dumb fouls will never stop, that is just an unfortunate feature of his game which is funny because he's clearly an intelligent guy when he speaks. But he seems pretty dumb at times with his decision making.

[MrDollarBills]

Still concerned about Towns’ defense most nights. Dude got torched by wemby and we lose that game if he didn’t get benched for foul trouble in the fourth. Someone’s gotta teach Towns how to be a better and smarter defender…

KAT's defense has been improving, he's been solid in his individual matchups for most of the season (Jokic/Embiid). This is the first game where someone else was doing to him what he's done to most defenders this season.


The dumb fouls will never stop, that is just an unfortunate feature of his game which is funny because he's clearly an intelligent guy when he speaks. But he seems pretty dumb at times with his decision making.

Thibs should have had OG on Wemby from the start.

If Jeremy Sochan wills the Spurs to victory, it is what it is.

[stuporman]

If Thibs starts OG on Wemby from opening tip like some people think he should have, refs do their typical thing and so OG is sitting with 5 fouls in the 4th as Wemby has free reign to take over the game to win it as fans on this forum criticize Thibs for his game plan. Tell me I'm wrong, go ahead, I like to laugh.

[Spree2Houston]

Start up the Magic game thread

[thebuzzardman]

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