[MIN - NOP - LAL - CHA(?)] Murray to MIN, Ingram to LAL v2

[babyjax13]

MIN trades: Julius Randle, Rob Dillingham, 2025 DET 1st (1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; otherwise 2027 2nd), 2031 MIN/GSW 2nd (higher)
in: DeJounte Murray, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Christian Wood
I don't know that Murray is the *best* fit at point guard for Minnesota, but I think he is good enough and gives them a legitimate 3rd option next to Edwards (and they can pray that Reid scales up). This basically becomes Towns + 2030 swap + 2031 MIN 1st for Murray + DDV which isn't the best, but it does make navigating the new cap structure while still having a good team around Edwards more reasonable. I know they likely don't want JHS, but the financials of this deal are extremely tight and this is how to make it work.

NOP trades: Brandon Ingram, DeJounte Murray, Daniel Theis, Karlo Matkovic, Antonio Reeves
in: Julius Randle, D'Angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, Rob Dillingham, 2025 DET 1st (1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; otherwise 2027 2nd), 2028 LAL 1st (swap, NOP receives higher of NOP/LAL 1st 1-2 protected), 2029 LAL 1st (1-10 protected thru 2031, otherwise 2031 2nd)
New Orleans gets some legitimate assets to replace what they sent out for Murray and pivot to a rebuild. The Pistons pick seems like it will convey in 2026, Dillingham was a recent lottery pick, and the swap is some marginal value on top. The additional first here is to swap Randle for Ingram - Randle seems to have no value on the trade board (possibly in real life) and I suspect he actually opts into his final year, but it also seems that nothing is available for Ingram. This gets the Pelicans a first and the chance to see if Randle can rehab some value when Zion is inevitably injured - they are obviously pivoting to a rebuild here, so the redundancy shouldn't be a worry, just getting maximum value. Russell is good enough to keep the team functional but then expires, helping to clear up their capsheet.

LAL trades: D'Angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Max Christie, Christian Wood, 2025 LAC 2nd, 2028 LAL 1st (swap, NOP receives higher of NOP/LAL 1st 1-2 protected), 2029 LAL 1st (1-10 protected thru 2031, otherwise 2031 2nd), 2030 LAL 2nd
in: Brandon Ingram, Tre Mann, Karlo Matkovic, Antonio Reeves
The Lakers get a legitimate 2nd/3rd option at the cost of a pick swap and a protected first. They also add a reasonable guard to their rotation in Mann, and Reeves looks like a reasonable third string shooter for them.

CHA trades: Tre Mann
in: Max Christie, Daniel Theis, 2025 LAC 2nd, 2030 LAL 2nd, 2031 MIN/GSW 2nd (higher)
Charlotte swaps Mann for a reasonably young 2/3 + seconds, and a second for absorbing Theis (though Theis and a 2nd can likely go to another team). My thought is that Charlotte could be replaced by Utah or Detroit who also have a bunch of guards and could be interested in trading one for a wing and some seconds.

[shangrila]

I would pass.

I don't see Murray as a winning player. Given the lack of assets we have, we can't really afford to take the risk that Murray is similar with us as he was in Atlanta. And given he's only had 1 above average season per Win Shares (the year he was an All Star for the Spurs) I'd say the odds are that he's less of a positive player than his raw stats might indicate.

[winforlose]

So I hadn’t been following DJM this season. I did some quick checking and his defensive rating is almost 115, he is leading the worst team in the west in minus play, his shooting has fallen off a cliff, and his turnovers are up. Dilly represents too much capital for a player this far off the wagon. Replace him with Terrance Shannon Jr, or Josh Minott, or the two way rights to Jalen Clark. Hell, I would even give both Clark’s rights and TSJ or Minott. But giving up Dillingham seems to much for this version of DJM.

[HornetJail]

No real interest for Charlotte

[babyjax13]

So I hadn’t been following DJM this season. I did some quick checking and his defensive rating is almost 115, he is leading the worst team in the west in minus play, his shooting has fallen off a cliff, and his turnovers are up. Dilly represents too much capital for a player this far off the wagon. Replace him with Terrance Shannon Jr, or Josh Minott, or the two way rights to Jalen Clark. Hell, I would even give both Clark’s rights and TSJ or Minott. But giving up Dillingham seems to much for this version of DJM.

He just came back from an injury.

[winforlose]

So I hadn’t been following DJM this season. I did some quick checking and his defensive rating is almost 115, he is leading the worst team in the west in minus play, his shooting has fallen off a cliff, and his turnovers are up. Dilly represents too much capital for a player this far off the wagon. Replace him with Terrance Shannon Jr, or Josh Minott, or the two way rights to Jalen Clark. Hell, I would even give both Clark’s rights and TSJ or Minott. But giving up Dillingham seems to much for this version of DJM.

He just came back from an injury.

I get that. But some of those games are alarmingly bad by the numbers, and the averages are scary as ****. He didn’t miss camp or pre season. Coming back after missing 17 shouldn’t be this bad unless he is still hurt, and that would also diminish his immediate trade value.

[wolves_89]

I see Randle and Murray as being fairly similar in thier oncourt value. When looking at the contracts, I'm not sure Murray having 2 more years plus a player option is actually a positive in terms of value over Randle. Basically, I'm not sure I'd be interested in the Wolves doing a straight Randle/Murray swap, and I definitely wouldn't have Minnesota adding Dillingham and a 1st.

[schaffy]

I like the effort to try and mix it up but from my view a few flaws from the wolves

I don't think murray would be a real good offensive pair with Ant. Ideally you want a spacing option at PG with Ant and I don't view Murray as providing that - he's a below league avg shooter from 3 by both volume (well below) and %. To be fair I'm not yet sold Dillingham is a good fit either but I'll give the 20 yr old more than 15 games.

So if I don't think the fit is actually really good then I wouldn't give up Dillingham and a 1st to turn Randle into him.

Also is JHS required on the wolves end? He is of no interest at all. Do they have a roster spot open? Or would they have to cut someone to be able to make it work? Cause if they do, that might make it worse.

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[winforlose]

I like the effort to try and mix it up but from my view a few flaws from the wolves

I don't think murray would be a real good offensive pair with Ant. Ideally you want a spacing option at PG with Ant and I don't view Murray as providing that - he's a below league avg shooter from 3 by both volume (well below) and %. To be fair I'm not yet sold Dillingham is a good fit either but I'll give the 20 yr old more than 15 games.

So if I don't think the fit is actually really good then I wouldn't give up Dillingham and a 1st to turn Randle into him.

Also is JHS required on the wolves end? He is of no interest at all. Do they have a roster spot open? Or would they have to cut someone to be able to make it work? Cause if they do, that might make it worse.

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I already said cut JHS in the V1 thread. I am not sure Wood is the best fit for our needs, but I could live with it. I disagree about the DJM with Ant. They both are long, strong, and can score. Ant’s gravity will give DJM the most open looks he has ever had. I do think his recent struggle knock real value off of him, and I doubt the Pels want to sell low. That said, they will want to sell, and keeping him while getting worse might further lower his value.