Fox to ORL, Defense to SAC

[Skybox]

*Presuming it's just over for Fox in SAC...

ORL sends: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Anthony Black, Jett Howard, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp (top 8)
SAC sends: De'Aaron Fox

For SAC:whole new defensive identity with KCP leading the POA charge and demanding accountability with his leadership and intensity. Anthony Black might be the perfect type of developing PG to match with Sabonis' playmaking. AB can defend on an elite level, get to the rim and has shown the ability to knock down open 3's. He's also 6'7, fearless, and only 20yo. Adding AB & KCP makes any team much more defensively capable. Jett Howard is 6'6 and only 21yo and comes into the league as a quick-release scoring threat. Howard, Huerter, Monk, and DeRozan all provide explosive offensive potential along with Keegan Murray, one of SAC's few young 2-way players. ORL adds two protected frps in recognition of Fox's elite potential. This deal also provides SAC tremendous financial relief as Fox will be angling for a max deal as a UFA in a year, with his aggressive new agent.

For ORL: huge financial and even flight risk, perhaps too much to even consider obtaining Fox at all. However, a Fox/Suggs backcourt with Banchero, Wagner and Bitadze up front is an instant contender if healthy. Financial restraints will make it tougher to fill out the roster around them but it'd certainly be as good a core as any in the league and Fox would be the oldest, by a lot, at 27. Aggressive FO's can find ways to make it work if they really thirst for rings. Isaac, Moe Wagner, Wendell Carter, Gary Harris, Tristan da Silva, and Cole Anthony would be relied upon to keep it together when the starters rest and ORL will have to look to draft very pragmatically and, perhaps, comb the vet free agent market in the offseason to bolster their lineup. They give up significant young talent in lieu of a ton of draft picks because it's also critical to send out players under contract to soften the blow when Paolo's inevitable max, along with Fox's next deal will be on the table.

[LarsV8]

No idea what direction Sac is going to go, but I will throw out a competing offer just for reference.
Green
One of Reed or Cam
3 #1's

[Godaddycurse]

No idea what direction Sac is going to go, but I will throw out a competing offer just for reference.
Green
One of Reed or Cam
3 #1's

its not competing, it's outright better than OP

[SNPA]

Both offers are DOA. I’ll say it again, if Monte moves Fox in a stand alone rebuild trade he is toast. Maybe he wants that? I don’t know, but he’d definitely get canned.

[mg]

I think Spurs could beat the offers by either ORL or HOU.

With that said I would be pretty surprised if Sacramento deals Fox this deadline which would mean a complete teardown for them.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Don’t think Denver first and a top 8 first gets it done.

[Jkam31]

No idea what direction Sac is going to go, but I will throw out a competing offer just for reference.
Green
One of Reed or Cam
3 #1's

its not competing, it's outright better than OP

I mean that’s not saying much OP literally offered the worst possible offer I’ve ever seen

[wemby]

I think Spurs could beat the offers by either ORL or HOU.

With that said I would be pretty surprised if Sacramento deals Fox this deadline which would mean a complete teardown for them.

All three teams (Spurs, Rockets and Magic) have more than enough to trade for Fox, it's not about who has more but who wants him more.

[Mr Swagtastic]

No idea what direction Sac is going to go, but I will throw out a competing offer just for reference.
Green
One of Reed or Cam
3 #1's

Can't happen with Jalen Green he signed his contract extension after training camp therefore he's ineligible to be treated this year.

[LightTheBeam]

Op is disrespectful. No suggs? No good picks. A 30 something past his prime shooting guard (we have 6 shooting guards already on the roster), a few other non impressive guard and 2 late picks?

I have no interest in swapping Fox for worse guards. We need forwards regardless of the direction we go.

[CraftylikeaFox]

Op is disrespectful. No suggs? No good picks. A 30 something past his prime shooting guard (we have 6 shooting guards already on the roster), a few other non impressive guard and 2 late picks?

I have no interest in swapping Fox for worse guards. We need forwards regardless of the direction we go.

I always enjoy the reasoning for why fanbases think completely one sided trades are good for the other team. There is nothing good about this for Sac

[VaDe255]

Op is disrespectful. No suggs? No good picks. A 30 something past his prime shooting guard (we have 6 shooting guards already on the roster), a few other non impressive guard and 2 late picks?

I have no interest in swapping Fox for worse guards. We need forwards regardless of the direction we go.

I always enjoy the reasoning for why fanbases think completely one sided trades are good for the other team. There is nothing good about this for Sac

I’m curious to hear your thoughts on what a fair offer for Fox would look like right now.

How does that compare to what his value might be in the offseason or even by the next trade deadline?

Personally, I think there’s urgency for the Kings to consider a move this year. Waiting too long, like Toronto has with Siakam/OG, could lead to fewer returns. The longer they wait, the less leverage they may have, especially as Fox’s free agency in 2026 draws closer. At that point, his preferences and the risk of him walking could significantly impact the assets the Kings are able to get in return.

What’s your take on this?

[Skybox]

Op is disrespectful. No suggs? No good picks. A 30 something past his prime shooting guard (we have 6 shooting guards already on the roster), a few other non impressive guard and 2 late picks?

I have no interest in swapping Fox for worse guards. We need forwards regardless of the direction we go.

I always enjoy the reasoning for why fanbases think completely one sided trades are good for the other team. There is nothing good about this for Sac

I’m curious to hear your thoughts on what a fair offer for Fox would look like right now.

How does that compare to what his value might be in the offseason or even by the next trade deadline?

Personally, I think there’s urgency for the Kings to consider a move this year. Waiting too long, like Toronto has with Siakam/OG, could lead to fewer returns. The longer they wait, the less leverage they may have, especially as Fox’s free agency in 2026 draws closer. At that point, his preferences and the risk of him walking could significantly impact the assets the Kings are able to get in return.

What’s your take on this?

Obviously, this is true...wait til you see how "disrespectful" the offers get when Klutch takes their new client into expiring status. That'll be fun. I was offering value to build around existing strengths (Sabonis/DeRozan/Monk/what Keegan was) to save SAC from their constant rebuilds resuming so quickly.

[Godaddycurse]

I always enjoy the reasoning for why fanbases think completely one sided trades are good for the other team. There is nothing good about this for Sac

I’m curious to hear your thoughts on what a fair offer for Fox would look like right now.

How does that compare to what his value might be in the offseason or even by the next trade deadline?

Personally, I think there’s urgency for the Kings to consider a move this year. Waiting too long, like Toronto has with Siakam/OG, could lead to fewer returns. The longer they wait, the less leverage they may have, especially as Fox’s free agency in 2026 draws closer. At that point, his preferences and the risk of him walking could significantly impact the assets the Kings are able to get in return.

What’s your take on this?

Obviously, this is true...wait til you see how "disrespectful" the offers get when Klutch takes their new client into expiring status. That'll be fun. I was offering value to build around existing strengths (Sabonis/DeRozan/Monk/what Keegan was) to save SAC from their constant rebuilds resuming so quickly.

Giving them more guards when they have obvious weakness in front court isnt saving them from anything

[wadenation305]

Rozier to replace the immediate lose of Fox, and he becomes a 24-26 mil expiring next season for them as well. Offer to help their Shortage of forwards by offering Jovic and Jaquez, along with Highsmith and Love. Instantly resolve their lack of forward situation while giving them two promising forwards along with a forward veteran and a defensive pest that can be thrown at the best offensive player of the opposing team. along with a '31 1st pick and 2 seconds.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Rozier to replace the immediate lose of Fox, and he becomes a 24-26 mil expiring next season for them as well. Offer to help their Shortage of forwards by offering Jovic and Jaquez, along with Highsmith and Love. Instantly resolve their lack of forward situation while giving them two promising forwards along with a forward veteran and a defensive pest that can be thrown at the best offensive player of the opposing team. along with a '31 1st pick and 2 seconds.

Can't see Sac trying to sell their fanbase this return. Jacquez and Jovic can't be the headliner here. Saving cap space by getting an expiring doesn't mean much when they won't be able to functionally sign anyone exciting either.

A pick for a player thats going into 6th grade right now isn't that enticing either. This is a Brandon Ingram package minus one of Jovic or Jamie imo

[wadenation305]

Rozier to replace the immediate lose of Fox, and he becomes a 24-26 mil expiring next season for them as well. Offer to help their Shortage of forwards by offering Jovic and Jaquez, along with Highsmith and Love. Instantly resolve their lack of forward situation while giving them two promising forwards along with a forward veteran and a defensive pest that can be thrown at the best offensive player of the opposing team. along with a '31 1st pick and 2 seconds.

Can't see Sac trying to sell their fanbase this return. Jacquez and Jovic can't be the headliner here. Saving cap space by getting an expiring doesn't mean much when they won't be able to functionally sign anyone exciting either.

A pick for a player thats going into 6th grade right now isn't that enticing either. This is a Brandon Ingram package minus one of Jovic or Jamie imo

Fair enough, but that was just about the best as we can manage to scrounge up with what we got at the moment. Honestly if the spurs or OKC want him their is no beating them. It all depends on if he says he won't extend unless he goes to x team, or " no matter what I will test free agency and decide from there". As long as he doesn't qualify for a super max a team trading for him would have to be willing to call the bluff as he wouldn't be leaving so much money on the table.

In a staight up trade, no one is beating the Spurs or OKC.

[QMemphis]

*Presuming it's just over for Fox in SAC...

ORL sends: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Anthony Black, Jett Howard, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp (top 8)
SAC sends: De'Aaron Fox

For SAC:whole new defensive identity with KCP leading the POA charge and demanding accountability with his leadership and intensity. Anthony Black might be the perfect type of developing PG to match with Sabonis' playmaking. AB can defend on an elite level, get to the rim and has shown the ability to knock down open 3's. He's also 6'7, fearless, and only 20yo. Adding AB & KCP makes any team much more defensively capable. Jett Howard is 6'6 and only 21yo and comes into the league as a quick-release scoring threat. Howard, Huerter, Monk, and DeRozan all provide explosive offensive potential along with Keegan Murray, one of SAC's few young 2-way players. ORL adds two protected frps in recognition of Fox's elite potential. This deal also provides SAC tremendous financial relief as Fox will be angling for a max deal as a UFA in a year, with his aggressive new agent.

For ORL: huge financial and even flight risk, perhaps too much to even consider obtaining Fox at all. However, a Fox/Suggs backcourt with Banchero, Wagner and Bitadze up front is an instant contender if healthy. Financial restraints will make it tougher to fill out the roster around them but it'd certainly be as good a core as any in the league and Fox would be the oldest, by a lot, at 27. Aggressive FO's can find ways to make it work if they really thirst for rings. Isaac, Moe Wagner, Wendell Carter, Gary Harris, Tristan da Silva, and Cole Anthony would be relied upon to keep it together when the starters rest and ORL will have to look to draft very pragmatically and, perhaps, comb the vet free agent market in the offseason to bolster their lineup. They give up significant young talent in lieu of a ton of draft picks because it's also critical to send out players under contract to soften the blow when Paolo's inevitable max, along with Fox's next deal will be on the table.

No way Magic can get Fox without Suggs. The Magic offer is Dejounte level value not Fox. Fox in the East would be probably the 4/5th best guard. Spurs building a deal around Castle and Rockets with Green/Eason have a much better package and more picks with upside to offer.

[Skybox]

*Presuming it's just over for Fox in SAC...

ORL sends: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Anthony Black, Jett Howard, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp (top 8)
SAC sends: De'Aaron Fox

For SAC:whole new defensive identity with KCP leading the POA charge and demanding accountability with his leadership and intensity. Anthony Black might be the perfect type of developing PG to match with Sabonis' playmaking. AB can defend on an elite level, get to the rim and has shown the ability to knock down open 3's. He's also 6'7, fearless, and only 20yo. Adding AB & KCP makes any team much more defensively capable. Jett Howard is 6'6 and only 21yo and comes into the league as a quick-release scoring threat. Howard, Huerter, Monk, and DeRozan all provide explosive offensive potential along with Keegan Murray, one of SAC's few young 2-way players. ORL adds two protected frps in recognition of Fox's elite potential. This deal also provides SAC tremendous financial relief as Fox will be angling for a max deal as a UFA in a year, with his aggressive new agent.

For ORL: huge financial and even flight risk, perhaps too much to even consider obtaining Fox at all. However, a Fox/Suggs backcourt with Banchero, Wagner and Bitadze up front is an instant contender if healthy. Financial restraints will make it tougher to fill out the roster around them but it'd certainly be as good a core as any in the league and Fox would be the oldest, by a lot, at 27. Aggressive FO's can find ways to make it work if they really thirst for rings. Isaac, Moe Wagner, Wendell Carter, Gary Harris, Tristan da Silva, and Cole Anthony would be relied upon to keep it together when the starters rest and ORL will have to look to draft very pragmatically and, perhaps, comb the vet free agent market in the offseason to bolster their lineup. They give up significant young talent in lieu of a ton of draft picks because it's also critical to send out players under contract to soften the blow when Paolo's inevitable max, along with Fox's next deal will be on the table.

No way Magic can get Fox without Suggs. The Magic offer is Dejounte level value not Fox. Fox in the East would be probably the 4/5th best guard. Spurs building a deal around Castle and Rockets with Green/Eason have a much better package and more picks with upside to offer.

Can't disagree...and with Suggs' upcoming extension ($30m x5), it may be necessary for ORL to be comfortable having, effectively, 3 max guys in Fox, Paolo, and Franz...heck of a trio, but of course Suggs is the beloved heartbeat of ORL, so hard to include him in anything. One thing for certain, if they did trade Suggs...I would not want to see him more than 2x a year.

I don't think they move Suggs for Fox...ORL really doesn't NEED such a significant on-ball player in their starting lineup with Paolo & Franz being the unconventional playmaking forwards. What they really need is a Monk-type 6th man...who can playmake for others, score in bunches, spread the floor, and flourish alongside ORL's long 3&D guys....Fox's contract is a frightening prospect (and his UFA status with Klutch repping him). He's a great player but maybe not ideal for ORL...he's not an effective floor spreader and his defense is good, but not on the level of Suggs, KCP, or Black. If ORL could find a way to keep Suggs out of it, maybe the creative accountants find a way to make it work, but probably not even really on the radar.

[oldncreaky]

*Presuming it's just over for Fox in SAC...

ORL sends: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Anthony Black, Jett Howard, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp (top 8)
SAC sends: De'Aaron Fox

For SAC:whole new defensive identity with KCP leading the POA charge and demanding accountability with his leadership and intensity. Anthony Black might be the perfect type of developing PG to match with Sabonis' playmaking. AB can defend on an elite level, get to the rim and has shown the ability to knock down open 3's. He's also 6'7, fearless, and only 20yo. Adding AB & KCP makes any team much more defensively capable. Jett Howard is 6'6 and only 21yo and comes into the league as a quick-release scoring threat. Howard, Huerter, Monk, and DeRozan all provide explosive offensive potential along with Keegan Murray, one of SAC's few young 2-way players. ORL adds two protected frps in recognition of Fox's elite potential. This deal also provides SAC tremendous financial relief as Fox will be angling for a max deal as a UFA in a year, with his aggressive new agent.

For ORL: huge financial and even flight risk, perhaps too much to even consider obtaining Fox at all. However, a Fox/Suggs backcourt with Banchero, Wagner and Bitadze up front is an instant contender if healthy. Financial restraints will make it tougher to fill out the roster around them but it'd certainly be as good a core as any in the league and Fox would be the oldest, by a lot, at 27. Aggressive FO's can find ways to make it work if they really thirst for rings. Isaac, Moe Wagner, Wendell Carter, Gary Harris, Tristan da Silva, and Cole Anthony would be relied upon to keep it together when the starters rest and ORL will have to look to draft very pragmatically and, perhaps, comb the vet free agent market in the offseason to bolster their lineup. They give up significant young talent in lieu of a ton of draft picks because it's also critical to send out players under contract to soften the blow when Paolo's inevitable max, along with Fox's next deal will be on the table.

No way Magic can get Fox without Suggs. The Magic offer is Dejounte level value not Fox. Fox in the East would be probably the 4/5th best guard. Spurs building a deal around Castle and Rockets with Green/Eason have a much better package and more picks with upside to offer.

Can't disagree...and with Suggs' upcoming extension ($30m x5), it may be necessary for ORL to be comfortable having, effectively, 3 max guys in Fox, Paolo, and Franz...heck of a trio, but of course Suggs is the beloved heartbeat of ORL, so hard to include him in anything. One thing for certain, if they did trade Suggs...I would not want to see him more than 2x a year.

I don't think they move Suggs for Fox...ORL really doesn't NEED such a significant on-ball player in their starting lineup with Paolo & Franz being the unconventional playmaking forwards. What they really need is a Monk-type 6th man...who can playmake for others, score in bunches, spread the floor, and flourish alongside ORL's long 3&D guys....Fox's contract is a frightening prospect (and his UFA status with Klutch repping him). He's a great player but maybe not ideal for ORL...he's not an effective floor spreader and his defense is good, but not on the level of Suggs, KCP, or Black. If ORL could find a way to keep Suggs out of it, maybe the creative accountants find a way to make it work, but probably not even really on the radar.

I agree that ORL doesn't need someone as good as Fox to go with the Franz-Paolo-Suggs core

But they do need a guard who is a bucket, and good enough on D to justify being in the closing line up. If luck falls their way, ORL can afford up to 25% of the salary cap. I think that's someone better than Monk, but not as good as Fox. I'd love to see it because I have a soft spot for contenders built around a ferocious D