Jaden McDaniels commercial value, offers

[MoneyTalks41890]

He’s been getting less efficient over the last three years, going from 61% TS to 57% last year to 52% this year.

I would want to see some growth there and not regression to treat his offense like it has breakout potential. And while he’s an elite defender with good physical tools, he still has some growing to do mentally.

Ask yourself what changed in those years. 22/23 KAT was out and Jaden got more opportunities. 23/24 KAT is healthy most of the year, Mike, Rudy, Naz, NAW all get a lot of touches on offense, and Jaden is the last one to eat. This year iso ball/geo ball is the norm. Jaden is a confidence and rhythm player who isn’t being properly utilized on offense, and being stuck on the opponents best guard might also be improper utilization on defense.

He’s still young so he has time to settle in, but he’s going to need to settle as a guy who doesn’t need the ball a ton. On a good contending team he’s third option at best.

[winforlose]

He’s been getting less efficient over the last three years, going from 61% TS to 57% last year to 52% this year.

I would want to see some growth there and not regression to treat his offense like it has breakout potential. And while he’s an elite defender with good physical tools, he still has some growing to do mentally.

Ask yourself what changed in those years. 22/23 KAT was out and Jaden got more opportunities. 23/24 KAT is healthy most of the year, Mike, Rudy, Naz, NAW all get a lot of touches on offense, and Jaden is the last one to eat. This year iso ball/geo ball is the norm. Jaden is a confidence and rhythm player who isn’t being properly utilized on offense, and being stuck on the opponents best guard might also be improper utilization on defense.

He’s still young so he has time to settle in, but he’s going to need to settle as a guy who doesn’t need the ball a ton. On a good contending team he’s third option at best.

This is true. Which is why Jaden as the 4th or 5th option averages around 10 with potential for 20. Is that plus being 7 foot and All NBA defense enough to make him valuable? I think it is. I would again refer you to multiple playoff games with 20+ and plenty with 10+. Jaden is clearly not fully unlocked yet, and that will hopefully change with a good coach.

[bgrep14]

Struss, Niang, and Porter for McDaniels and Ingles.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Struss, Niang, and Porter for McDaniels and Ingles.

That Struss contract isn’t any good, pretty rough actually. Niang is ok.

Don’t see that generating interest

[schaffy]

Struss, Niang, and Porter for McDaniels and Ingles.

Feels pretty short. Niang, a guy getting paid $15+m for the next 2 yrs to be an avg shooter without much else, and a 3rd string PG? Politely pass

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[Klomp]

Something that I've thought about, but doesn't quite fit under second apron until the summer, is Jaden McDaniels for Dyson Daniels and Bogdan Bogdanovic

[babyjax13]

Something that I've thought about, but doesn't quite fit under second apron until the summer, is Jaden McDaniels for Dyson Daniels and Bogdan Bogdanovic

I think Dyson has more value than McDaniels.

[babyjax13]

Cam Johnson + DFS + ???

[8305]

Benn Mathurin + either Obi Toppin or Aaron Neismith?

[minimus]

A team that pairs him with a quality PG will get his elite defense AND solid offense. Hopefully it will be MIN.

[winforlose]

A team that pairs him with a quality PG will get his elite defense AND solid offense. Hopefully it will be MIN.

This plus an offense that shares the ball and moves without the ball.

[Klomp]

Something that I've thought about, but doesn't quite fit under second apron until the summer, is Jaden McDaniels for Dyson Daniels and Bogdan Bogdanovic

I think Dyson has more value than McDaniels.

This has to be contract related, right? I feel like in role and roster function, they are very similar.

Atlanta (or other GMs) need to keep in mind though, as the cap goes up, it becomes riskier to have a rookie extension coming up. I'm not sure a Dyson Daniels rookie extension starts at less than $30-35 million AAV right now. At that point, Jaden might be the more appealing of the two.

[jayjaysee]

Benn Mathurin + either Obi Toppin or Aaron Neismith?

Does it have to be an “or”

For salaries, it seems like the best way would be to use those three bodies.

If not, Indy likely struggles to stay under the tax while filling the roster back up to 24 (has to use Jackson just to stay under the tax in matching) .. maybe a 14th roster spot can be filled with a rest of season cheap contract and it works?

But using the trio, let’s Indy fill the 14th roster spot with a nonvet min..

Minn likely is shopping Mathurin and Toppin and keeping Nesmith but looks good on value

[babyjax13]

Something that I've thought about, but doesn't quite fit under second apron until the summer, is Jaden McDaniels for Dyson Daniels and Bogdan Bogdanovic

I think Dyson has more value than McDaniels.

This has to be contract related, right? I feel like in role and roster function, they are very similar.

Atlanta (or other GMs) need to keep in mind though, as the cap goes up, it becomes riskier to have a rookie extension coming up. I'm not sure a Dyson Daniels rookie extension starts at less than $30-35 million AAV right now. At that point, Jaden might be the more appealing of the two.

Dyson is a better player this season on both ends of the court and is younger. I don't really think their value is that close. +/- (BPM, CPM, DRIP, likely more) and raw stats favor Daniels (not huge margins in +/-, but still there).

[toooskies]

Unless you really believe in the offense despite the numbers going down uniformly each year, the contract is a negative value for me. He may be more versatile than Okoro but he’s worse offensively. He’s got the worst on/off of Minnesota regulars (-13.6!). He’s a role player with a foundational player’s contract.

[Domejandro]

Unless you really believe in the offense despite the numbers going down uniformly each year, the contract is a negative value for me. He may be more versatile than Okoro but he’s worse offensively. He’s got the worst on/off of Minnesota regulars (-13.6!). He’s a role player with a foundational player’s contract.

A worthwhile note is that Jaden McDaniel's contract is roughly 16.4% of the salary cap this season and is unlikely to pass 20% of the cap throughout its duration.

I think a pretty solid amount of Minnesota's offensive woes are Jaden McDaniel's related, but I will state that his role in Minnesota's defense is extraordinarily important. Having a 6'10" guy who can reliably defend 1-4 at an All-NBA defensive level is pretty extraordinary, despite his disappointing lack of development offensively.

[winforlose]

Unless you really believe in the offense despite the numbers going down uniformly each year, the contract is a negative value for me. He may be more versatile than Okoro but he’s worse offensively. He’s got the worst on/off of Minnesota regulars (-13.6!). He’s a role player with a foundational player’s contract.

A worthwhile note is that Jaden McDaniel's contract is roughly 16.4% of the salary cap this season and is unlikely to pass 20% of the cap throughout its duration.

I think a pretty solid amount of Minnesota's offensive woes are Jaden McDaniel's related, but I will state that his role in Minnesota's defense is extraordinarily important. Having a 6'10" guy who can reliably defend 1-4 at an All-NBA defensive level is pretty extraordinary, despite his disappointing lack of development offensively.

I actually strongly disagree with this take. Jaden is at best our 4th biggest problem and at worst our 3rd biggest. Our biggest problem is the age wall/wrist injury to Mike Conley. Mike’s lack of production takes the ball out of his hands more when he is on the floor and means more minutes without a true PG when he isn’t. This leads into the second problem, lack of ball movement in the starting lineup. Ant and Randle dribble too much, ball stop too much, and shoot without passing too much. Since Jaden plays mostly with Ant and Randle (or sometimes Ant or Randle,) his opportunities to get the ball in his spots are fewer and further between. Jaden is forced into the corner 3 point shooter role, and that isn’t his game. The 3rd biggest problem is when Jaden is forced to defend the lead guard and rotations don’t occur. This forces Jaden to play from behind and often get into foul trouble. From a team prospective even when Jaden isn’t in foul trouble, the opposing offense cooking when our offense is sputtering causes a negative wave that leads to double digit deficits. The fourth problem is Jaden not being consistent on offense and hurting spacing. Fix the first 3 and Jaden is likely fine.

[winforlose]

Unless you really believe in the offense despite the numbers going down uniformly each year, the contract is a negative value for me. He may be more versatile than Okoro but he’s worse offensively. He’s got the worst on/off of Minnesota regulars (-13.6!). He’s a role player with a foundational player’s contract.

Yet he drops 20 every so often and had multiple 20 point playoff games. He might be a role player, but his ceiling is high enough that you cannot ignore him. Raising his floor and helping him develop his consistency is the key, and that takes coaching.

[toooskies]

Unless you really believe in the offense despite the numbers going down uniformly each year, the contract is a negative value for me. He may be more versatile than Okoro but he’s worse offensively. He’s got the worst on/off of Minnesota regulars (-13.6!). He’s a role player with a foundational player’s contract.

Yet he drops 20 every so often and had multiple 20 point playoff games. He might be a role player, but his ceiling is high enough that you cannot ignore him. Raising his floor and helping him develop his consistency is the key, and that takes coaching.

Yeah, he’s just paid as if he will reach a higher floor, when in reality his floor is dropping. Which is why I’d want nothing to do with that contract.

[winforlose]

Unless you really believe in the offense despite the numbers going down uniformly each year, the contract is a negative value for me. He may be more versatile than Okoro but he’s worse offensively. He’s got the worst on/off of Minnesota regulars (-13.6!). He’s a role player with a foundational player’s contract.

Yet he drops 20 every so often and had multiple 20 point playoff games. He might be a role player, but his ceiling is high enough that you cannot ignore him. Raising his floor and helping him develop his consistency is the key, and that takes coaching.

Yeah, he’s just paid as if he will reach a higher floor, when in reality his floor is dropping. Which is why I’d want nothing to do with that contract.

I actually think he is raising his floor. Before this year rebounding was an issue. He has just got his first and second double, double this month as his rebounding continues to improve. His defense is solid, and his mid range game has improved. I will grant you he needs to improve his 3PP, but you cannot teach 6’11 and you cannot teach length.