Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8

[youngRAPZ]

The moment Scottie lets the pg dream go and leans into being a dominant forward is when he’ll go from baby Giannis to the Greek Freak

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

The moment Scottie lets the pg dream go and leans into being a dominant forward is when he’ll go from baby Giannis to the Greek Freak

Giannis was putting up scary numbers at this age. He also wasn't trying to be a lead PG. Scottie's focused on getting other people numbers, instead of his own.

[MEDIC]

"Scottie Barnes, excellent talent. I don't know if he's the guy you build around. Could he be a nice compliment to another star?"

"They need that unquestioned alpha dog."

I think Scottie has the talent to be that guy. It just doesn't seem to be in his psychological makeup.

This team definitely needs an Alpha though. Someone that makes everyone around them walk a little taller. This team is wayyy too soft right now.

[HumbleRen]

I think by the end of year 4 you roughly get a pretty good gauge of someone’s realistic offensive ceiling when it comes to lottery picks.

I think he’s pretty near his offensive ceiling, he’ll just slightly get better every year until he’s 30 or so but there’s not going to be another major leap IMO.

He’s going to be one hell of a 2 way star in this league but he just doesn’t have enough athleticism and body coordination to be a legit on ball threat as the #1 option. His high hips and lack of any bend in his knees just won’t allow him to be able to get low with his dribble. He’s essentially a wing with the lower body of a center.

Before people yell at me for saying he isn’t athletic enough, athleticism is way more than just length and size. It’s also body coordination, loose hips, ankle flexibility and lower center of gravity. While Scottie was gifted with length and size, it doesn’t come with the latter sadly. This wouldn’t be an issue if he was 6’11 because you can play upright as a center but unfortunately he has the height of a wing player.

It’s the same reason why RJ will never be a positive defender, his center of gravity is very low which allows him to get low to the floor with a live dribble but he has stiff hips + heavy feet which makes him have very slow lateral quickness and virtually no East to West movement ability.

I’m yapping alot but body mechanics is very interesting to me in sports, especially in the NBA because of how integral it is to someone becoming a superstar vs not being one.

I think you and I were among the few that were pointing out his physical limitations early in his career when most of the fanbase had dreams of Giannis and Kawhi upside. Those guys are literally built different and as soon as we saw Barnes on the court with other NBA athletes it was pretty clear he wasn't a physical outlier.

Yep, I remember our convos about it.

[HangTime]

The moment Scottie lets the pg dream go and leans into being a dominant forward is when he’ll go from baby Giannis to the Greek Freak

Giannis was putting up scary numbers at this age. He also wasn't trying to be a lead PG. Scottie's focused on getting other people numbers, instead of his own.

Since the team is bad right now, let him work on those PG skills.

Then when others teams see label him as "passive" then he can strike.

[XTC]

The moment Scottie lets the pg dream go and leans into being a dominant forward is when he’ll go from baby Giannis to the Greek Freak

Giannis was putting up scary numbers at this age. He also wasn't trying to be a lead PG. Scottie's focused on getting other people numbers, instead of his own.

Fun fact Giannis grew up playing point guard, and the Bucks hired Kidd to develop his guard skills. Kidd put him at the point guard position post allstar break in his third season, and he put up the following numbers.

Pre allstar break
16.0/7.3/2.8/1.0/1.2
50.1/23.2/75.6

Post allstar break
18.8/8.4/7.4/1.5/1.9
51.5/30.0/67.1

Giannis actually grew up playing point guard, and moved to forward after his growth spurt. Barnes never played point guard growing up(Cade was the point guard at Montverde, Barnes played PF). Him being allowed to be point guard was a huge reason why he chose Florida.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

The moment Scottie lets the pg dream go and leans into being a dominant forward is when he’ll go from baby Giannis to the Greek Freak

Giannis was putting up scary numbers at this age. He also wasn't trying to be a lead PG. Scottie's focused on getting other people numbers, instead of his own.

Fun fact Giannis grew up playing point guard, and the Bucks hired Kidd to develop his guard skills. Kidd put him at the point guard position post allstar break in his third season, and he put up the following numbers.

Pre allstar break
16.0/7.3/2.8/1.0/1.2
50.1/23.2/75.6

Post allstar break
18.8/8.4/7.4/1.5/1.9
51.5/30.0/67.1

Giannis actually grew up playing point guard, and moved to forward after his growth spurt. Barnes never played point guard growing up(Cade was the point guard at Montverde, Barnes played PF). Him being allowed to be point guard was a huge reason why he chose Florida.

Some guys can play PG and transition to first option in the league, others can't. They have a hard time realizing first option means opting not to pass. Passing is what you do when no longer have the option to score.

* Giannis was 27 and 10 at this age. Only 4.8 assists.

[Indeed]

"Scottie Barnes, excellent talent. I don't know if he's the guy you build around. Could he be a nice compliment to another star?"

"They need that unquestioned alpha dog."

Was watching the Memphis feed, they are pretty fair pointing out the right and wrong calls between both teams.

As for the comment, I don't think he answered if Barnes can be a nice compliment player neither.

[XTC]

Giannis was putting up scary numbers at this age. He also wasn't trying to be a lead PG. Scottie's focused on getting other people numbers, instead of his own.

Fun fact Giannis grew up playing point guard, and the Bucks hired Kidd to develop his guard skills. Kidd put him at the point guard position post allstar break in his third season, and he put up the following numbers.

Pre allstar break
16.0/7.3/2.8/1.0/1.2
50.1/23.2/75.6

Post allstar break
18.8/8.4/7.4/1.5/1.9
51.5/30.0/67.1

Giannis actually grew up playing point guard, and moved to forward after his growth spurt. Barnes never played point guard growing up(Cade was the point guard at Montverde, Barnes played PF). Him being allowed to be point guard was a huge reason why he chose Florida.

Some guys can play PG and transition to first option in the league, others can't. They have a hard time realizing first option means opting not to pass. Passing is what you do when no longer have the option to score.

* Giannis was 27 and 10 at this age. Only 4.8 assists.

My point was that both guys wanted to be 'point guards'. Giannis at 23 took the next step and became a MVP caliber player. Giannis deferring and setting up plays is not better than Giannis being aggressive and attacking, which is true for many players in NBA history... Steve Nash looked like Steph Curry in Phoenix when he decided to be aggressive. If Scottie wants to take the next step he needs to change his mental approach to the game. We don't need him to be a triple double threat and set up the offense. He needs to be aggressive and put pressure on the defense. If he can't do that then honestly he's not that guy.

[ItsDanger]

I've said it many times here, you have to pair Scottie with a high gravity scorer to unlock his potential. Otherwise, his talent is being wasted.

[LoveMyRaps]

Damn shame that he's not a 3 level scorer.

I got fooled by that hot streak from last season, where he was shooting lights out from behind the arc to start the season.

He doesn't have a 3pt shot in his repertoire quite yet. He has shown flashes of it, but he's still got ways to go.

He's Chris Boucher level bad (good?) from 3.

[GooniesNeverDie]

Scottie falling behind Cade, Mobley, Franz, Sengun?? Just not good enough as a scorer.


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[Indeed]

Fun fact Giannis grew up playing point guard, and the Bucks hired Kidd to develop his guard skills. Kidd put him at the point guard position post allstar break in his third season, and he put up the following numbers.

Pre allstar break
16.0/7.3/2.8/1.0/1.2
50.1/23.2/75.6

Post allstar break
18.8/8.4/7.4/1.5/1.9
51.5/30.0/67.1

Giannis actually grew up playing point guard, and moved to forward after his growth spurt. Barnes never played point guard growing up(Cade was the point guard at Montverde, Barnes played PF). Him being allowed to be point guard was a huge reason why he chose Florida.

Some guys can play PG and transition to first option in the league, others can't. They have a hard time realizing first option means opting not to pass. Passing is what you do when no longer have the option to score.

* Giannis was 27 and 10 at this age. Only 4.8 assists.

My point was that both guys wanted to be 'point guards'. Giannis at 23 took the next step and became a MVP caliber player. Giannis deferring and setting up plays is not better than Giannis being aggressive and attacking, which is true for many players in NBA history... Steve Nash looked like Steph Curry in Phoenix when he decided to be aggressive. If Scottie wants to take the next step he needs to change his mental approach to the game. We don't need him to be a triple double threat and set up the offense. He needs to be aggressive and put pressure on the defense. If he can't do that then honestly he's not that guy.

Perhaps you didnt watch the last game, Jaren Jackson went at him on both end. It will be more than being aggressive.

[wegotthabeet]

Yeah, otherwise I wouldn’t be online, work is where you slack off, not during family time.

Btw Draymond getting backlash again:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2426158

You have a family?

I like how you lost the argument, so you just resort to trolling. It's not that big of a deal. My mind can be changed with evidence, unlike yours.

Can it? I don’t think it can, hence why I wouldn’t waste my time posting the evidence. I know how this sort of thing goes.

The stats are all easily accessible online. You don’t have to include Klay’s numbers post 2019. Just go with the stats between 2014-2019 when they’re both in their respective primes. The superior WS, VORP, BPM, AST%, defensive stats, video evidence, professional and public opinions. It’s all there for you. Klay was a better shooter, but not more impactful to those teams winning.

Don’t ask me to do your homework for you. Put it in the work yourself if you’re actually open minded.

[Vampirate]

I think by the end of year 4 you roughly get a pretty good gauge of someone’s realistic offensive ceiling when it comes to lottery picks.

I think he’s pretty near his offensive ceiling, he’ll just slightly get better every year until he’s 30 or so but there’s not going to be another major leap IMO.

He’s going to be one hell of a 2 way star in this league but he just doesn’t have enough athleticism and body coordination to be a legit on ball threat as the #1 option. His high hips and lack of any bend in his knees just won’t allow him to be able to get low with his dribble. He’s essentially a wing with the lower body of a center.

Before people yell at me for saying he isn’t athletic enough, athleticism is way more than just length and size. It’s also body coordination, loose hips, ankle flexibility and lower center of gravity. While Scottie was gifted with length and size, it doesn’t come with the latter sadly. This wouldn’t be an issue if he was 6’11 because you can play upright as a center but unfortunately he has the height of a wing player.

It’s the same reason why RJ will never be a positive defender, his center of gravity is very low which allows him to get low to the floor with a live dribble but he has stiff hips + heavy feet which makes him have very slow lateral quickness and virtually no East to West movement ability.

I’m yapping alot but body mechanics is very interesting to me in sports, especially in the NBA because of how integral it is to someone becoming a superstar vs not being one.

I think you and I were among the few that were pointing out his physical limitations early in his career when most of the fanbase had dreams of Giannis and Kawhi upside. Those guys are literally built different and as soon as we saw Barnes on the court with other NBA athletes it was pretty clear he wasn't a physical outlier.

Yep, I remember our convos about it.

To this day, he remains an enigma to me.



No idea why his shooting from 10-16 feet and 16-3P has changed so dramatically. (18 games, but still)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In my humble opinion he really doesn't need to be taking 25.7% of his total shots from 3-10 feet if he's shooting over 50% from further out thus far.

I still think he has #2 potential due to his ability to shoot over mostly everyone.

The same weaknesses are also his strengths. He really just needs 1 simple hesitation and then back/side dribble to create separation with his long strides.

[Prestige]

Rookie Season



This season [18 games]



Scottie as a rookie was already very strong and played a bully ball style. Granted, this was partially due to his limitations as he lacked an outside shot, but he played to his strengths.

Now, in his fourth season he’s even bigger and stronger than ever, yet he’s out there shooting 3s and playing on the perimeter. He’s already shot 106 3s in 18 games !! I know it’s the 3-point era, and he needs to be able to knock it down, but is that really the best use of his abilities? Is he a perimeter player, or would we benefit to having him play in the post more often?

[Vampirate]

Rookie Season



This season [18 games]



Scottie as a rookie was already very strong and played a bully ball style. Granted, this was partially due to his limitations as he lacked an outside shot, but he played to his strengths.

Now, in his fourth season he’s even bigger and stronger than ever, yet he’s out there shooting 3s and playing on the perimeter. He’s already shot 106 3s in 18 games !! I know it’s the 3-point era, and he needs to be able to knock it down, but is that really the best use of his abilities? Is he a perimeter player, or would we benefit to having him play in the post more often?

The answer to your question is yes, he needs to expand his range. If he's just going to be a 'post player' and not try and evolve, he's useless against the likes of Cleveland with their bigs for example.

I think he needs the reps this year to get comfortable with taking off the dribble threes and use the off season to seriously work at it.

Just keep in mind, he's big and strong, but he's not 6"11 or anything. He's not a center.

[TakeYourHeart]

"Scottie Barnes, excellent talent. I don't know if he's the guy you build around. Could he be a nice compliment to another star?"

"They need that unquestioned alpha dog."

Was watching the Memphis feed, they are pretty fair pointing out the right and wrong calls between both teams.

As for the comment, I don't think he answered if Barnes can be a nice compliment player neither.

The answer is a resounding yes, he'd be a nice compliment to a #1 scoring option.

[HangTime]

His development was stunted in years 1 and 2. Basically tried to make him OG, in the sense of "stick to the complimentary strengths" for Fred and Pascal.

He played great last year, and took a step back to try the OG role on defence, while IQ and RJ we're being integrated into the offence.

He's playing through an injury that no one seems to acknowledge.

The thing I'm worried about is that the media, fan base and media will turn on him, and it turns into Kawhi/Spurs type of exit.

Let the guy get healthy.

[720]

His development was stunted in years 1 and 2. Basically tried to make him OG, in the sense of "stick to the complimentary strengths" for Fred and Pascal.

He played great last year, and took a step back to try the OG role on defence, while IQ and RJ we're being integrated into the offence.

He's playing through an injury that no one seems to acknowledge.

The thing I'm worried about is that the media, fan base and media will turn on him, and it turns into Kawhi/Spurs type of exit.

Let the guy get healthy.

The media here has always been cold towards him, the fans…he has had haters in our own fan base since his second season onwards. Despite that he seems to like it here.