Charles in Charge: The Charles Lee Thread

[NMBSurfin]

During his presser, Miles said Lee came in and said (paraphrasing) if you don't want to put in effort and play defense, you won't get PT.

Interested to see if the players GAF or if they continue playing like it's EYBL with better pay.

For all the talk of building culture, they sure haven't done much to build any.

If he means business then moose starts the next game and plays 40 minutes. I'm only half joking.

I can't say I'm terribly impressed with Lee yet. All that good stuff we saw in summer league and preseason of us playing with intensity was encouraging. Only for it to fall right back to where it's been under now three straight head coaches. The common denominator is melo and miles, the two guys making the most money on the team.

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I think that's a big part why I'm so disappointed right now. Really though we had turned a corner. Maybe we did and ran right into another brick wall. It's so hard to be a Hornets fan.

[Robot Rock]

I've got a real suspicion most of the team (at least, the ones who play big minutes) have quit on Lee. But after that meeting, let's see if anything changes. I'm skeptical but hey, go out and prove me wrong.

[SWedd523]

I've got a real suspicion most of the team (at least, the ones who play big minutes) have quit on Lee. But after that meeting, let's see if anything changes. I'm skeptical but hey, go out and prove me wrong.

I continue to hold that it's indicative of the rotten culture of the roster.

Borrego let them run and gun, play no D.... that flamed out (I think he was a better coach than given credit for and was only fired because the team didn't like him)

Cliff was the structured, old, meany who tried to hold people accountable, but lost the team twice

Lee came in off a chip, young guy, former player, well thought of in league circles, guessing their hope was they'd approve of a guy more similar to the team...... that lasted about a month


Eventually the players have to take some blame

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

90% of Lee's problem is he's trying to force the team into a Boston-style offense when we don't have those types of players. Melo fits it fine, but Miller is a midrange scorer and Miles is a cutter/slasher. We also don't have any stretch bigs (that are actually big). And yet, we take about half our shots from 3.

This is a rebuilding year. I think that the team made this choice deliberately. They put the coach they wanted in place, then let him run the offense he wants to. Now they are using this season to decide who to keep based on that. They probably view this as the first step of trying to build a culture here.

[Robot Rock]

It'll be interesting to see where the team goes after Taj Gibson called that players-only meeting. Bounce back, and there's a chance here. Lose to Washington again and get rolled by everyone else, and there's a chance Charles Lee lasts as long as Sam Vincent.

He might not even make it through April at this rate. You lose 20-30 games straight, no one gets out with the same gig.

[JMAC3]

Lee doesn't understand how to coach right now, I am not saying he won't eventually become a good coach in Charlotte or somewhere else but this dude is a big reason why our record is where it is. I don't expect him to have us in the playoffs with this roster, but there is no way Detroit roster is 7 games better than us, Brooklyn 5 games better than us, Haliburton has been terrible this year and Pacers are 15-16.

We are 1-15 over our last 16 games, I don't care what roster we have the coach has to be better than this. Nets won a game last night without Schroeder, DFS, Cam Thomas.. Good coaches figure out a way to win games, feels like this team figures out ways to lose lately.

Orlando is winning games still without Paolo and Franz.

I was told JJ Redick would be a terrible hire because he had never coached before and didn't know what he was doing, yet Lakers are 17-13. Not saying we are as talented as they are, but if Lee was Lakers coach he would have Reaves and LeBron shooting 20+ threes per game and probably be worse off.

[JMAC3]

We are 30 games into the year and it feels like Lee is still running this base level offense with the occasional ATO lob play for or decent end of game playcall. He has no feel how to run offense throughout the game and it ends up with us just taking bad shot after bad shot. You can say Melo takes bad shots but what is the alternative? It is not like we run good offense on the possessions LaMelo doesn't play hero ball.

It is getting to the point where it feels like Miller and Melo might just be picking up bad habits from the lack of structure this offense presents.

Detroit is not more talented than us. They are 14-17 and we are 7-23. The records aren't even close and we beat them 2 times.

[EmpireFalls]

We would’ve been much better off hiring Darvin Ham

[Braggins]

I feel like it takes longer to evaluate coaches than players, so I don't feel confidently either way about Lee, but he hasn't given a lot of reason to be optimistic so far.

I've been saying for the last couple years I wish they would bring in Jay Triano as lead assistant and I'm still on that bandwagon.

[JMAC3]

One thing I don't like with Lee coaching is that LaMelo or Brandon will never ever have a game they shoot super high percentage from three. If Miller is 5-6 from three in the first half it is guaranteed he probably shoots 8-16 because Lee offense is pretty much just heat check until you are shooting below .500.

I think that is a big reason why we never can blow anyone out, because we have no balance and because our offense has no balance we never hit the blowout phase of a game where 3-4 guys are all hot at the same time.

[JMAC3]

He also can't find any type of rotation that makes sense, he has played a real 12 man rotation in multiple games this year that weren't blowouts. There is a reason teams aren't doing that in the league.

[Bassman]

He also can't find any type of rotation that makes sense, he has played a real 12 man rotation in multiple games this year that weren't blowouts. There is a reason teams aren't doing that in the league.

Yeah with most everyone back now that’s going to be back, about time to tighten up the rotations. I’m watching to see what happens when Mann returns. If he’s fully healthy and playing really well, I’d start him next to Melo. Green is just not cutting it for the major minutes he’s been given. Just such a disappointment. Is that all on Josh, or is it Leeball? I say more Green’s issue based on what I’ve seen.

[fatlever]

I haven't been impressed since preseason. The Yolo bomb 3s offense is pretty infuriating most of the time.

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[fatlever]

Mike brown is available

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[Braggins]

Mike brown is available

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If they further shake up their staff I would seriously be interested in bringing in Jay Triano as an assistant.

[Braggins]

They are set up even better to run the Triano offense now than they were when they had success with it previously. LaMelo is better. They have Brandon Miller instead of old Hayward. They have Mark Williams.

[MasterIchiro]

I'd take Mike Brown. He did bring the Kings to a playoff position from lottery.

[KembaWalker]

Mike Brown makes 8.5 mil a year, Lee likely makes less than 4. That’s money out of the owners pockets not revenue shared salary pools. 0% chance

[Bassman]

Mike Brown makes 8.5 mil a year, Lee likely makes less than 4. That’s money out of the owners pockets not revenue shared salary pools. 0% chance

I can guarantee you, there is NO WAY this ownership group is blinking an eye relative to their new coach right now. ZERO. They handed the keys to Peterson and scored a “win” getting an assistant from the world champs. Lee has at minimum a 2 year seat, likely longer, before they’d consider tossing him.

[KembaWalker]

Lee wasn’t even some big get, dudes been interviewing for jobs for years. Anyone in the league could have had him.

Mike Brown would be a massive upgrade and while he wouldn’t salvage this season he could maybe salvage this year as a complete developmental backslide for Melo and Brandon and get them back on a positive trajectory