Wembanyama vs. Tatum: Who would you rather have for the 2024-25 season?

[tsherkin]

What is this incessant need to valid Wemby as the best player on this board? We get it. He’s the future goat. Enjoy your generational talent and let all of us other fans be happy with our players.

So you think Tatum is better? Because authoring an argument to defend that position would actually be useful in the context of this conversation.

I think the Celtics fandom have every right to enjoy their player who helped bring another championship to their franchise. And should most definitely be hopeful that said player can win back-to-back championships.

That's not an answer. You're not actually addressing the OP. No one here on the General Board is stopping Boston from enjoying Tatum.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

So you think Tatum is better? Because authoring an argument to defend that position would actually be useful in the context of this conversation.

I think the Celtics fandom have every right to enjoy their player who helped bring another championship to their franchise. And should most definitely be hopeful that said player can win back-to-back championships.

That's not an answer. You're not actually addressing the OP. No one here on the General Board is stopping Boston from enjoying Tatum.

I don’t think you understood my answer. I would choose the one who brought a championship to my team. Tatum. And I would not care for a second if Wemby was the better player.

But it is quite annoying that these comparisons are always coming up with Wemby. We all get it!

[tsherkin]

I think the Celtics fandom have every right to enjoy their player who helped bring another championship to their franchise. And should most definitely be hopeful that said player can win back-to-back championships.

That's not an answer. You're not actually addressing the OP. No one here on the General Board is stopping Boston from enjoying Tatum.

I don’t think you understood my answer.

Yes, your syntax was vague and insufficient, so I appreciate the clarification.

I would choose the one who brought a championship to my team. Tatum. And I would not care for a second if Wemby was the better player.

Fair enough.

But it is quite annoying that these comparisons are always coming up with Wemby. We all get it!

Dig in, hoss; it's only just beginning. He's a popular player who is among the best in the league. That's how it goes. You wait until the Spurs start to get particularly good. It'll be as annoying as Kobe or Lebron threads.

[ITYSL]

This was a fun one. Never change GB

Getting nervous yet?

No lol. It was ridiculous then that the vote was 3-to-1 Wemby, and it's still ridiculous now.

[DwayneSchintzus]

Depends.

Does Wemby get Kobe’s phone number so he can text him before big games?

[wegotthabeet]

This was a fun one. Never change GB

Getting nervous yet?

No lol. It was ridiculous then that the vote was 3-to-1 Wemby, and it's still ridiculous now.

I made this thread with the idea that Wemby would surpass Tatum by the time the playoffs roll around, but I think he might already have.

[ITYSL]

Getting nervous yet?

No lol. It was ridiculous then that the vote was 3-to-1 Wemby, and it's still ridiculous now.

I made this thread with the idea that Wemby would surpass Tatum by the time the playoffs roll around, but I think he might already have.

You didn't say that in your OP but it doesn't really change my point anyway. A 3:1 vote in favor of Wemby was silly 6 months ago and is still silly today.

I'm not even a Wemby hater by any stretch. I love the guy and am 100% certain that he will eventually surpass Tatum. The same cannot be said for you and Tatum, as your post history is littered with mostly negative comments about him. You live in hypotheticals such as a post in this very thread where you said if the Celtics had Wemby instead of Tatum last year, they would have won the Finals in 4 instead of 5. It's a laughable premise and frankly shows a lack of basketball knowledge considering the Celtics' roster construction last season with two very good to AS-level centers.

So no - not nervous. Wouldn't be anyway - it's an opinion on a basketball forum.

[tsherkin]

You didn't say that in your OP but it doesn't really change my point anyway. A 3:1 vote in favor of Wemby was silly 6 months ago and is still silly today.

No it isn't.

You disagree with it, which isn't the same thing. And that's fine, it's a valid position to hold as well depending on the specific criteria one uses.

But it's also difficult to compare the two because they're entirely different styles of player, and people routinely undervalue defense and overvalue scoring volume. And then of course there's the whole who would have done what last year with Boston, which is weird, because teams build around the particulars of what they have, to be sure.

[ITYSL]

You didn't say that in your OP but it doesn't really change my point anyway. A 3:1 vote in favor of Wemby was silly 6 months ago and is still silly today.

No it isn't.

You disagree with it, which isn't the same thing. And that's fine, it's a valid position to hold as well depending on the specific criteria one uses.

But it's also difficult to compare the two because they're entirely different styles of player, and people routinely undervalue defense and overvalue scoring volume. And then of course there's the whole who would have done what last year with Boston, which is weird, because teams build around the particulars of what they have, to be sure.

"You disagree with it, which isn't the same thing."

Isn't the same thing as what?

[tsherkin]

Isn't the same thing as what?

As the position you disagree with being "silly."

[ITYSL]

Isn't the same thing as what?

As the position you disagree with being "silly."

Huh? Yeah it is. If I disagree strongly enough with the vote being 3:1 in favor of Wemby, then it is the same as me having the opinion that the vote being 3:1 in favor of Wemby is "silly" or, as I said in a previous post, "ridiculous."

[tsherkin]

Huh? Yeah it is.

No, it really isn't.

If I disagree strongly enough with the vote being 3:1 in favor of Wemby, then it is the same as me having the opinion that the vote being 3:1 in favor of Wemby is "silly" or, as I said in a previous post, "ridiculous."

But that's the thing, it isn't. It is a defensible position. You can disagree with it, and you can disagree with it strongly, but it really isn't "ridiculous" at all.

[ITYSL]

Huh? Yeah it is.

No, it really isn't.

If I disagree strongly enough with the vote being 3:1 in favor of Wemby, then it is the same as me having the opinion that the vote being 3:1 in favor of Wemby is "silly" or, as I said in a previous post, "ridiculous."

But that's the thing, it isn't. It is a defensible position. You can disagree with it, and you can disagree with it strongly, but it really isn't "ridiculous" at all.

It's irrelevant that you think that it's a defensible position. A lot of people think that a lot of ridiculous positions are defensible. It has no bearing on my point, which is that if someone disagrees with an opinion strongly enough, that's pretty much the same as them thinking that opinion is silly or ridiculous.

Anyway, this is just a silly (yes, silly) semantics argument at this point and not worth pursuing further.

[wegotthabeet]

Isn't the same thing as what?

As the position you disagree with being "silly."

Huh? Yeah it is. If I disagree strongly enough with the vote being 3:1 in favor of Wemby, then it is the same as me having the opinion that the vote being 3:1 in favor of Wemby is "silly" or, as I said in a previous post, "ridiculous."

I don’t know why you’re hung up on the voting ratio, but you bumped this thread to make some smarmy comment for no reason. The ratio of votes is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Wemby is simply better than Tatum sooner than you could’ve imagined and that’s what happens when you bump threads. It came back to bite you. Just take the L and move on.

[OkcSinceSGA]

I think Tatum still has slightly more impact on games, with the edge being on offense and versatility. Obviously Wemby is the more dominant defender, and will easily surpass Tatum either this year or next. For THIS season I guess I'll take Tatum because he's got a ton of playoff experience that I trust more in big games. Nobody knows yet how Wemby will perform there.

[Ssj16]

I'm not sure when I voted for Wemby but I'm more confident in this vote now. The only thing that would change my mind is if Wemby has a horrible performance in the playing and or first round. But right now, even though I've criticized Wemby early on in this season, what he is doing is special and I believe in his trajectory going into the playoffs.

[celtxman]

As the position you disagree with being "silly."

Huh? Yeah it is. If I disagree strongly enough with the vote being 3:1 in favor of Wemby, then it is the same as me having the opinion that the vote being 3:1 in favor of Wemby is "silly" or, as I said in a previous post, "ridiculous."

I don’t know why you’re hung up on the voting ratio, but you bumped this thread to make some smarmy comment for no reason. The ratio of votes is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Wemby is simply better than Tatum sooner than you could’ve imagined and that’s what happens when you bump threads. It came back to bite you. Just take the L and move on.

I need to ask the mods to check if there is a technical glitch on the board. Because when I look at this thread I see my post on December 9, and then I see your post on what, December 26? I know you want to be honest and objective here, right? Of course you wouldn't bump anything because I know you don't like it when others do it....right?
So where do we stand today. Tatum started this discussion handicapped. More people here like Wemby than Tatum. And there is always the fallback of the talent around Tatum when all else fails. That's where the 3:1 voting comes in. TODAY the Spurs are a play in team. There are no Ws or Ls, unless of course someone is a hater. I promise I will give my roses to Wemby and say that he is better than Tatum when it is true and appropriate. Wemby is exciting, generational, and the future of the NBA. But I already said all that on December 9, but I'm glad the thread got bumped so I could repeat my feelings about both players. I love having Tatum on the Celtics.

[RRR3]

Wemby is outperforming Tatum this year. Celtics stans will claim otherwise but he’s simply a more dynamic player and this comparison won’t even be close pretty soon. I like Tatum but Wemby is going to be a LeBron level player and Tatum is closer to Paul Pierce.

[ITYSL]

As the position you disagree with being "silly."

Huh? Yeah it is. If I disagree strongly enough with the vote being 3:1 in favor of Wemby, then it is the same as me having the opinion that the vote being 3:1 in favor of Wemby is "silly" or, as I said in a previous post, "ridiculous."

I don’t know why you’re hung up on the voting ratio, but you bumped this thread to make some smarmy comment for no reason. The ratio of votes is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Wemby is simply better than Tatum sooner than you could’ve imagined and that’s what happens when you bump threads. It came back to bite you. Just take the L and move on.

Hahaha. That's pretty rich coming from someone who couldn't "take the L" in another thread and thus had to create this one to seek approval. Bwahahaha. Ahahaha.


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Why would anyone pick Tatum?

Go ask everyone who didn’t vote for Wemby in the 6th best player in the league thread.

[tsherkin]

It's irrelevant that you think that it's a defensible position. A lot of people think that a lot of ridiculous positions are defensible. It has no bearing on my point, which is that if someone disagrees with an opinion strongly enough, that's pretty much the same as them thinking that opinion is silly or ridiculous.

Anyway, this is just a silly (yes, silly) semantics argument at this point and not worth pursuing further.

No, I mean. The idea of supporting Wemby over Tatum isn't silly. That position is objectively false. There are a variety of ways to prove that. It isn't wrong to support a pro-Tatum angle, but to be so dismissive of the Wemby position as to call it silly is disingenuous and inaccurate.