Dallas/SAS/Chi - really going to hate it

[Mavrelous]

Last year Spurs had horrendous guard play so not sure what your point is. Trying to establish his value by bringing up the contract he signed a year and a half ago as basically a rookie looking for a team to invest in him seems like gasping at straws. Sit this one out, maybe?

I'm bringing up the contract since his production didn't change, he's actually worse after signing the contract than before it, and yet, when he became FA he signed for 3M/yr, if he had higher value, he would've signed for more, but you're right, I'm sitting this one out, I've had enough.

Since the OP was my bad idea..

I have to disagree with the contract talk.

He signed a deal as a 21 year old freshly waived undrafted player, not after last season 2023-2024 where he looked like a bench shooter... He played in 17 games the year, 2022-2023, before he signed this contract and could’ve thought he was on his way out of the league, to Europe, etc..

9 million dollars guaranteed for a former 2-way player that was waived 6 months prior.. It’s probably tough to bet on yourself there IMO.

Maybe you feel like he should’ve taken a chance on getting a vet min offer from someone for last season (2023-2024) in order to prove he deserves more? But I don’t blame him for setting himself up for life at 21 years old. He’ll be a free agent at 25 and can try and make big money...

But last season, he earned 3 million dollars and was a one way shooter. This year, he doesn’t look lost playing defense. That might be because he has a top 3 PG directing and an alien behind him. But does he learn and develop from that experience? Even Harrison’s worth ethic, does it rub off? I think it will and he’s going to be a good wing for a long time..

You and Chuck side with this being a bad deal for Dallas, so it likely is. But wouldn’t hold the contract part against him is all. He’s looks like a completely different player than he was in 2022-2023 and a much improved one from 2023-2024..

I'm not holding the contract against him, I'm saying he hasn't shown anything in the 2 years since he signed that contract to be worth discussing as more than filler in a trade.
Seriously now, what is the value of a 37% spot up shooter like him? He's dime a dozen and there are multiple players like him in FA every year, in a trade that involves 2 starting level centers and 1st round pick he's not significant value to be discussed.

[jayjaysee]

I'm not holding the contract against him, I'm saying he hasn't shown anything in the 2 years since he signed that contract to be worth discussing as more than filler in a trade.
Seriously now, what is the value of a 37% spot up shooter like him? He's dime a dozen and there are multiple players like him in FA every year, in a trade that involves 2 starting level centers and 1st round pick he's not significant value to be discussed.

I think he signed his contract early and cost himself money. Based off the season he’s having, he would likely have gotten 8-10 mil a year next season 3. But I understand why he signed him and didn’t risk having to find a job ever again in his life.

His improved effort on defense, added to his natural length, is why I would want to trade for him though. The gravity of a guy that can consistently shoot 37% from three with that volume, does matter to me. And if he actually continues to improve on defense, SAS will likely be trying to sign him to a 4yr60 type deal in 18 months...

A bit of trust me science, but I don’t think most players scale up their production like he has this season. It’s why no one looks at per 36 stats. But he has while transitioning into the larger role against starters..

[wemby]

I'm not holding the contract against him, I'm saying he hasn't shown anything in the 2 years since he signed that contract to be worth discussing as more than filler in a trade.
Seriously now, what is the value of a 37% spot up shooter like him? He's dime a dozen and there are multiple players like him in FA every year, in a trade that involves 2 starting level centers and 1st round pick he's not significant value to be discussed.

Well, he's not a spot up shooter, so there's that. But what interests me is the bolded part, I'd love to know who these guys like him that you can find every offseason are, Spurs could really use them. Surely you can name me three or four of them for each of the past seasons, right?

[Mavrelous]

I'm not holding the contract against him, I'm saying he hasn't shown anything in the 2 years since he signed that contract to be worth discussing as more than filler in a trade.
Seriously now, what is the value of a 37% spot up shooter like him? He's dime a dozen and there are multiple players like him in FA every year, in a trade that involves 2 starting level centers and 1st round pick he's not significant value to be discussed.

I think he signed his contract early and cost himself money. Based off the season he’s having, he would likely have gotten 8-10 mil a year next season 3. But I understand why he signed him and didn’t risk having to find a job ever again in his life.

His improved effort on defense, added to his natural length, is why I would want to trade for him though. The gravity of a guy that can consistently shoot 37% from three with that volume, does matter to me. And if he actually continues to improve on defense, SAS will likely be trying to sign him to a 4yr60 type deal in 18 months...

A bit of trust me science, but I don’t think most players scale up their production like he has this season. It’s why no one looks at per 36 stats. But he has while transitioning into the larger role against starters..

Spot up shooting does scale, much more established shooters signed for minimum like Beasley and GTJ, I don't think he's anywhere near full MLE player but we'll see...

[ChettheJet]

Thank you Santa for the gift, the Bulls do this before anybody sees them laughing. It's not the few million in savings but they get some picks from somewhere and finally move on from Vuc. It's obvious that they shouldn't have signed him to his current contract, yeah he gets his points and he's the only guy out there over 6-6 so he's got to get rebounds but he slow on both ends and not much of a defender.

Collins instead of Vuc opens up minutes for Smith and more shots for 5 other guys

[Apz]

No chance mavs dump gafford for vuc. Mavs need 2 good defensive centers more then they need a 2nd hub center on offense

[One_and_Done]

I have this as terrible for Dallas and fantastic for SAS who should be cut if Dallas fancied paying Gafford + 1st + 2nd for Vuc

In a vacuum this is a good deal for the Spurs. In reality though, they don't need Gafford or Kleiba or a bad 1st, but they do need Champs. I don't see them moving JC.