Indy-NO-Utah

[Helsbyte]

Here is another terrible trade idea....lol

Indy Receives Herb Jones and worst of Utah's 25 picks

NO Receives Jarace Walker and Walker Kessler

Utah Receives Benedict Mathurin


Why for Indy: Adding Jones gives them a defensive stopper

Why for NO: If they are intent on moving Zion, this trade gives them a young front court with upside

Why for Utah: George and Mathurin is Utah's backcourt of the future

add picks if you feel my values are off

[SkyHook]

Indy Receives Herb Jones and worst of Utah's 25 picks

NO Receives Jarace Walker and Walker Kessler

Utah Receives Benedict Mathurin

I'd like to see Mathurin on the Jazz, but not for this deal. Kessler shouldn't be traded period, but for this proposal at a bare minimum the pick should be going in the opposite direction. (Still wouldn't do it.)

Now if you're interested in George + that pick for Mathurin, that's a possible conversation.

[Scoot McGroot]

Indy Receives Herb Jones and worst of Utah's 25 picks

NO Receives Jarace Walker and Walker Kessler

Utah Receives Benedict Mathurin

I'd like to see Mathurin on the Jazz, but not for this deal. Kessler shouldn't be traded period, but for this proposal at a bare minimum the pick should be going in the opposite direction. (Still wouldn't do it.)

Now if you're interested in George + that pick for Mathurin, that's a possible conversation.

Keyonte George just isn’t an interest for an Indy roster that has Haliburton, Nembhard, and McConnell locked up long term, Nesmith locked up for two more years, and Sheppard and Furphy on rookie contracts. There’s no room for minutes in that lineup at the 1, 2, or even 3.

[Xman]

I like it. Could even remove Kessler and still fair.

[SkyHook]

Indy Receives Herb Jones and worst of Utah's 25 picks

NO Receives Jarace Walker and Walker Kessler

Utah Receives Benedict Mathurin

I'd like to see Mathurin on the Jazz, but not for this deal. Kessler shouldn't be traded period, but for this proposal at a bare minimum the pick should be going in the opposite direction. (Still wouldn't do it.)

Now if you're interested in George + that pick for Mathurin, that's a possible conversation.

Keyonte George just isn’t an interest for an Indy roster that has Haliburton, Nembhard, and McConnell locked up long term, Nesmith locked up for two more years, and Sheppard and Furphy on rookie contracts. There’s no room for minutes in that lineup at the 1, 2, or even 3.

I don't disagree, just saying that it's the type of deal that would make more sense from the Jazz perspective.

[Texas Chuck]

is Mathurin worth more than Jones? IDK I feel like if Herb Jones was made available there would be a strong market for him, stronger than the one for Mathurin. But maybe I'm undervaluing Mathurin?

[Wizop]

If Kessler is available, the Pacers would have interest. perhaps Isaiah Jackson's expiring contract and some sort of pick swap.

[Scoot McGroot]

I'd like to see Mathurin on the Jazz, but not for this deal. Kessler shouldn't be traded period, but for this proposal at a bare minimum the pick should be going in the opposite direction. (Still wouldn't do it.)

Now if you're interested in George + that pick for Mathurin, that's a possible conversation.

Keyonte George just isn’t an interest for an Indy roster that has Haliburton, Nembhard, and McConnell locked up long term, Nesmith locked up for two more years, and Sheppard and Furphy on rookie contracts. There’s no room for minutes in that lineup at the 1, 2, or even 3.

I don't disagree, just saying that it's the type of deal that would make more sense from the Jazz perspective.

Sure for Utah. I’m just saying it’s the type of deal that would make no sense from the Pacers perspective. George should have value, but he’d be buried in Indy and have his value turned to dust.

[Scoot McGroot]

is Mathurin worth more than Jones? IDK I feel like if Herb Jones was made available there would be a strong market for him, stronger than the one for Mathurin. But maybe I'm undervaluing Mathurin?

The deal has Indy paying Mathurin AND Jarace Walker, so I think it acknowledges that Herb has more value?

[SkyHook]

If Kessler is available, the Pacers would have interest. perhaps Isaiah Jackson's expiring contract and some sort of pick swap.

I doubt that Kessler is available, but certainly not for that return.

[8305]

If Kessler is available, the Pacers would have interest. perhaps Isaiah Jackson's expiring contract and some sort of pick swap.

I would be surprised if that’s anywhere close for Utah.

[8305]

is Mathurin worth more than Jones? IDK I feel like if Herb Jones was made available there would be a strong market for him, stronger than the one for Mathurin. But maybe I'm undervaluing Mathurin?

The deal has Indy paying Mathurin AND Jarace Walker, so I think it acknowledges that Herb has more value?

My initial reaction, this is an overpay by Pacers. But after the OKC and Celtic games, should they be that desperate for a defensive stopper? I initially hated the Scherpf for McKey trade but grew to appreciate the need for an elite defender. Yeah, I’m old.

[Texas Chuck]

is Mathurin worth more than Jones? IDK I feel like if Herb Jones was made available there would be a strong market for him, stronger than the one for Mathurin. But maybe I'm undervaluing Mathurin?

The deal has Indy paying Mathurin AND Jarace Walker, so I think it acknowledges that Herb has more value?

Is Walker worth more than the pick Indy gets back? I know he was a prospect Indy fans were high on a year ago. Are we still?

[Wizop]

Is Walker worth more than the pick Indy gets back? I know he was a prospect Indy fans were high on a year ago. Are we still?

he's still very young and has played mostly 3 this year although he'll have to play 4 with Obi out. but trades are as much about contracts as talent and the Pacers need to make some room to re-sign Turner next summer. I predict if we do make a trade it will involve a higher priced player than Walker or Mathurin. I'm on Nesmith. Scoot is on Obi.

[pacers33granger]

is Mathurin worth more than Jones? IDK I feel like if Herb Jones was made available there would be a strong market for him, stronger than the one for Mathurin. But maybe I'm undervaluing Mathurin?

The deal has Indy paying Mathurin AND Jarace Walker, so I think it acknowledges that Herb has more value?

Is Walker worth more than the pick Indy gets back? I know he was a prospect Indy fans were high on a year ago. Are we still?

He's very obviously not worth his draft slot from last year, but I don't think his value has slid far enough to be worth a very likely late 20s pick. He has a lot of nice tools but is young and inexperienced. Most are still high on him, but maybe not as much or at least not in the same way as last year, though that has a lot to do with the fact we all expected him to be a PF and after the Siakam deal he's a SF.

Idk if we get the pick back here though in any event. Both Indy guys have high potential but Herb is a known quantity locked up on a steal of a contract and seemingly still improving. This has the added bonus for Indy that it would make the cap sheet look a lot better (for a bit at least) as its not clear the team can afford Mathurin's next contract if Myles returns without some semimajor moves at least.

[jayjaysee]

I think if NOP is trading Herb, they shop Mathurin for the best pick(s) possible and don’t take a center instead? They have Missi as a really young center with decent potential already? I think he’s shown enough as a 20 year old to want to give him a shot..

I love the target for Indy though, just feels like NOP and Utah deal only makes sense if NOP is trying to win with Zion - and then you don’t want Walker if you’re keeping Zion.

[Wizop]

you don’t want Walker if you’re keeping Zion.

Walker has been playing 3 this year.

[jayjaysee]

you don’t want Walker if you’re keeping Zion.

Walker has been playing 3 this year.

And most seem to feel that’s why he hasn’t been playing well

[One_and_Done]

Not enough for Herb Jones.

[Scoot McGroot]

is Mathurin worth more than Jones? IDK I feel like if Herb Jones was made available there would be a strong market for him, stronger than the one for Mathurin. But maybe I'm undervaluing Mathurin?

The deal has Indy paying Mathurin AND Jarace Walker, so I think it acknowledges that Herb has more value?

Is Walker worth more than the pick Indy gets back? I know he was a prospect Indy fans were high on a year ago. Are we still?

....yes? He's gotta be worth more than the 30th pick in the draft, right? He's still a toolsy, long combo forward that has shown skills. Those guys keep value much longer than they should, and he's only 1/3 of the way into his second year. Feels like he should still have first round pick value, no? He's still getting 18mpg and putting up 44/37/62 splits on pretty low usage rate.