Indy-NO-Utah

[babyjax13]

I don't think Mathurin is a first more valuable than Kessler. I wouldn't want to make the swap straight across, but that would be a fair offer, IMO. I think cutting out Utah makes more sense here. If New Orleans trades Herb it is because they are pulling the plug.

[YayBasketball]

This has me thinking, wonder what kind of offers Pels would get for Herb if they really did make him available. Doubt he is available, with Griffin seeing him as a franchise culture pillar. But I'd bet they could find a few desperate teams looking for his archetype on that contract and get one of them to overpay.

Pacers, Kings are the main 2 teams that could feel the pressure to 'overpay' for Herb with their struggling seasons and need for wing defense.

[8305]

I don't think Mathurin is a first more valuable than Kessler. I wouldn't want to make the swap straight across, but that would be a fair offer, IMO. I think cutting out Utah makes more sense here. If New Orleans trades Herb it is because they are pulling the plug.

I’m inclined to agree that Kessler is worth more than Mathurin. Three years in I’m seeing Mathurin as a sixth man on a good team. Kessler probably never be an all star but, he’s a starter level center. I think you value the starting level center higher than the sixth man. Taking this a step further Pacer will have to pay Myles Turner this off season. After that it will be hard to justify paying a sixth man. Utah still seems to me like a situation where Mathurin could make sense. You’ve got lots of draft capital and I don’t Benn as a lost cause. Seems he’s a flyer of sorts that seems to make sense for Jazz?

[Helsbyte]

I don't think Mathurin is a first more valuable than Kessler. I wouldn't want to make the swap straight across, but that would be a fair offer, IMO. I think cutting out Utah makes more sense here. If New Orleans trades Herb it is because they are pulling the plug.

I’m inclined to agree that Kessler is worth more than Mathurin. Three years in I’m seeing Mathurin as a sixth man on a good team. Kessler probably never be an all star but, he’s a starter level center. I think you value the starting level center higher than the sixth man. Taking this a step further Pacer will have to pay Myles Turner this off season. After that it will be hard to justify paying a sixth man. Utah still seems to me like a situation where Mathurin could make sense. You’ve got lots of draft capital and I don’t Benn as a lost cause. Seems he’s a flyer of sorts that seems to make sense for Jazz?

I definitely do not have Kessler as more valuable than Mathurin. If Kessler could stretch the floor some or hit his free throws at a decent clip to stay on the floor to close out games then sure. But he is also 3 years in the league and has not shown he can do that. Mathurin is definitely a player in your closing lineups.

The worst of the Jazz's 3 1st rd picks is Cleveland's which would be the 30th pick as of right now. Not all 1sts are equal and I shouldn't have to point that out.

Mathurin is a 6th man in Indy not because the lack of talent but moreso of fit within the Indy offense. He is definitely a starter. My believe he just needs a different system to shine in.

[Wizop]

Mathurin is a 6th man in Indy not because the lack of talent but moreso of fit within the Indy offense. He is definitely a starter. My believe he just needs a different system to shine in.

He has been starting with Nesmith injured. But his game fits better with McConnell than Haliburton.

[babyjax13]

I don't think Mathurin is a first more valuable than Kessler. I wouldn't want to make the swap straight across, but that would be a fair offer, IMO. I think cutting out Utah makes more sense here. If New Orleans trades Herb it is because they are pulling the plug.

I’m inclined to agree that Kessler is worth more than Mathurin. Three years in I’m seeing Mathurin as a sixth man on a good team. Kessler probably never be an all star but, he’s a starter level center. I think you value the starting level center higher than the sixth man. Taking this a step further Pacer will have to pay Myles Turner this off season. After that it will be hard to justify paying a sixth man. Utah still seems to me like a situation where Mathurin could make sense. You’ve got lots of draft capital and I don’t Benn as a lost cause. Seems he’s a flyer of sorts that seems to make sense for Jazz?

I wouldn't mind having him, but we already have 10,000 guards who fill a similar role so I don't think he makes a ton of sense with our current roster. But the team will change because it sucks.

[8305]

Mathurin is a 6th man in Indy not because the lack of talent but moreso of fit within the Indy offense. He is definitely a starter. My believe he just needs a different system to shine in.

I agree that Mathurin is a talented scorer.
I’m not sure he is even a league average defender. On a good team that’s generally enough to take you out of the starting and finishing lineup. He’s a good enough athlete to be a plus defender. If that switch was going to be flipped I think we would see more signs of it by now.

[Wizop]

Mathurin is a 6th man in Indy not because the lack of talent but moreso of fit within the Indy offense. He is definitely a starter. My believe he just needs a different system to shine in.

I agree that Mathurin is a talented scorer.
I’m not sure he is even a league average defender. On a good team that’s generally enough to take you out of the starting and finishing lineup. He’s a good enough athlete to be a plus defender. If that switch was going to be flipped I think we would see more signs of it by now.

I think he's been a better defender and rebounder this year.