OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd

[Ghetto Gospel]

This is just what college sports is now. This is the environment they created. So people need to lay off the kid. It's not there money and draft positioning on the line it's his.

eh, it's just discussion. were people not allowed to discuss KD going to the warriors because it's his money, his living situation and we're not the ones directly competing with him? lebron going to miami? players holding out? as long as it's civil, and no ones making threats, who cares

ultimately, he was a professional who prob made $1m+ this year and his teammates are technically professionals too. they rely on him to play and win games. imo, as the leader of the team it's his responsibility to play and help his teammates win games, get their draft stock up, make more money in NIL, etc

I'm sorry nobody cares about the whatchamacallitbowl...meaningless game. If anything it raised his draft stock. Iowa State has one of the best pass defenses in the country and he carved them up with no name WR's.

Nabers got his records and was taken out of the 2nd half of his bowl game and no one cared.

I just feel its a weak talking point. Because the current environment that college football has set has put these kids in this situation to make business decisions. And I'm going to put myself in his shoes. He is basically a zero star coming from a family with no money. To tell him to tough it out and play and risk his future in a meaningless game after he showed out for a half, nah thats not it.

most of the games in college football are meaningless, but if he's making 7 figures, is he not a professional that should play? you're talking about him and how he's helping himself, but he's had a bunch of guys in the locker room going to war for him, and he should be doing things to help them and get their stock up as well. selfish call imo.

nabers isn't the qb and leader of a football team

what is the current environment in college football that puts these kids in this situation to make business decisions? everyone makes business decisions even in the NFL and they are allowed to get discussed. ultimately, he gets paid pretty handsomely for his services. this was maybe true years ago, though players were always getting paid, but it isn't right now.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Playing the first half and sitting out the 2nd, is a little concerning. I dont know if it sways the decision either way though. Its a different day and era.

Colts at least have something to play for. Jonathon Taylor + Indy Def alone should make it another easy L for the giants.

Playing the first half and looking great or playing the whole game and looking terrible? which do you choose.

Its what college football has set up for guys to continue to make business decisions. Nabers got his records last year and didn't play in the 2nd half of his meaningless bowl game. This is a nothing burger IMO.

Yea, like i said it wouldnt sway the decision for me. I just kind of hate how we got here. At the same time I cant fault players at all for watching out for there future since there is so much on the line. I am sure there were many people in on that decision and its not straight forward.

[MrDollarBills]

Yep. College football isn't an "amateur sport", anymore it's big business now where the players get paid and build their individual brand. Expect more of this.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a real minor league being built instead of this sham where you're giving out scholarships to kids being paid a million dollars + endorsements.

This is just what college sports is now. This is the environment they created. So people need to lay off the kid. It's not there money and draft positioning on the line it's his.

eh, it's just discussion. were people not allowed to discuss KD going to the warriors because it's his money, his living situation and we're not the ones directly competing with him? lebron going to miami? players holding out? as long as it's civil, and no ones making threats, who cares

ultimately, he was a professional who prob made $1m+ this year and his teammates are technically professionals too. they rely on him to play and win games. imo, as the leader of the team it's his responsibility to play and help his teammates win games, get their draft stock up, make more money in NIL, etc

I don't think that's his responsibility though. Also, he held up his end of the bargain during the season. He owes them nothing.

Frankly, once NILs and the transfer portal took over, all bets are off. You said it right: he's a professional. This is what professionals do. They're not risking draft stock and future earnings to play in some bowl game sponsored by Nestlé or whatever this was.

It's not student athletics. It's a multi billion dollar business. I can't get upset when a kid treats it exactly how it should be treated.

[mpharris36]

Playing the first half and sitting out the 2nd, is a little concerning. I dont know if it sways the decision either way though. Its a different day and era.

Colts at least have something to play for. Jonathon Taylor + Indy Def alone should make it another easy L for the giants.

Playing the first half and looking great or playing the whole game and looking terrible? which do you choose.

Its what college football has set up for guys to continue to make business decisions. Nabers got his records last year and didn't play in the 2nd half of his meaningless bowl game. This is a nothing burger IMO.

Yea, like i said it wouldnt sway the decision for me. I just kind of hate how we got here. At the same time I cant fault players at all for watching out for there future since there is so much on the line. I am sure there were many people in on that decision and its not straight forward.

Yeah from some accounts he may have wanted to continue to play like nabers (reports are they had to take his pads after he got his records) but there are a lot of people involved in these decisions...even the coaches may not want them to play because they want to get looks at other players for next year. Also families and agents are advising.

I hate how its gotten here as well...certainly doesn't help that a lot of these guys just switch teams left and right and you don't have that 3, 4, or even 5 years playing on the same team.

But like you said good news is that Bengals won last night because Indy has a legit shot at playoffs still.

[DOT]

This is the environment that has been created after decades of the NCAA and these schools making money over fist on the backs of student athletes.

The call should be to get the money out of "student athletics" and establishing a legit minor league system for pro football. Then you wouldn't see this stuff.

I can't expect some kid to not put himself and his future first in these situations. The entire NCAA D1 is a sham, always has been, and people shouldn't be shocked when young men treat it as such.

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[blue and orange]

I absolutely have no problem with college athletes getting paid , the problem was there was no structure around it but that's the NCAA for ya. I do think it does speak to the culture these coaches create. You can let NIL run your program or you can run your program, not saying you don't need NIL btw.

Last year Georgia missed the college football playoffs, and their guys played in the bowl game when they didn't have to and Florida State had 25 guys sitting out the bowl game. Here we are a year later Georgia is in the college football playoffs and Florida State went 2-10, they got a qb transfer from Oregon State that was god awful for them.

The coach for Miami to allow Cam Ward to play 1 half of football does set a bad precedent for his program moving forward in my opinion. You had guys fighting on the sideline I'm not talking arguing or pushing and shoving I'm talking full on haymakers. We'll see how good Miami is next year without Cam Ward.

[mpharris36]

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[mpharris36]

I absolutely have no problem with college athletes getting paid , the problem was there was no structure around it but that's the NCAA for ya. I do think it does speak to the culture these coaches create. You can let NIL run your program or you can run your program, not saying you don't need NIL btw.

Last year Georgia missed the college football playoffs, and their guys played in the bowl game when they didn't have to and Florida State had 25 guys sitting out the bowl game. Here we are a year later Georgia is in the college football playoffs and Florida State went 2-10, they got a qb transfer from Oregon State that was god awful for them.

The coach for Miami to allow Cam Ward to play 1 half of football does set a bad precedent for his program moving forward in my opinion. You had guys fighting on the sideline I'm not talking arguing or pushing and shoving I'm talking full on haymakers. We'll see how good Miami is next year without Cam Ward.

[blue and orange]

I absolutely have no problem with college athletes getting paid , the problem was there was no structure around it but that's the NCAA for ya. I do think it does speak to the culture these coaches create. You can let NIL run your program or you can run your program, not saying you don't need NIL btw.

Last year Georgia missed the college football playoffs, and their guys played in the bowl game when they didn't have to and Florida State had 25 guys sitting out the bowl game. Here we are a year later Georgia is in the college football playoffs and Florida State went 2-10, they got a qb transfer from Oregon State that was god awful for them.

The coach for Miami to allow Cam Ward to play 1 half of football does set a bad precedent for his program moving forward in my opinion. You had guys fighting on the sideline I'm not talking arguing or pushing and shoving I'm talking full on haymakers. We'll see how good Miami is next year without Cam Ward.

I'm not a Miami fan so I don't care either. Just saying, a coach who establishes a culture tells Cam Ward we support your decision whether you wanna play or not but you can't be in it half way.

Cam Ward decision will not affect his draft stock one bit nor should it. Sure questions will come up about his decision but that's the nfl draft process, but if he leads a team toward a Super Bowl no one will care.

[mpharris36]

I absolutely have no problem with college athletes getting paid , the problem was there was no structure around it but that's the NCAA for ya. I do think it does speak to the culture these coaches create. You can let NIL run your program or you can run your program, not saying you don't need NIL btw.

Last year Georgia missed the college football playoffs, and their guys played in the bowl game when they didn't have to and Florida State had 25 guys sitting out the bowl game. Here we are a year later Georgia is in the college football playoffs and Florida State went 2-10, they got a qb transfer from Oregon State that was god awful for them.

The coach for Miami to allow Cam Ward to play 1 half of football does set a bad precedent for his program moving forward in my opinion. You had guys fighting on the sideline I'm not talking arguing or pushing and shoving I'm talking full on haymakers. We'll see how good Miami is next year without Cam Ward.

I'm not a Miami fan so I don't care either. Just saying, a coach who establishes a culture tells Cam Ward we support your decision whether you wanna play or not but you can't be in it half way.

Cam Ward decision will not affect his draft stock one bit nor should it. Sure questions will come up about his decision but that's the nfl draft process, but if he leads a team toward a Super Bowl no one will care.

There is a reason a lot of the big time coaches have left...its a free for all now in college sports. Like you said the issue is they brought in NIL with no regulations.

That is why I can't get mad at a player...the system is the system...these meaningless bowl games are simply a money grab. A lot of media has to defend it because networks pay a ton of money for the games...but its a sham. No fans or NFL front offices care about it.

[3toheadmelo]

eh, it's just discussion. were people not allowed to discuss KD going to the warriors because it's his money, his living situation and we're not the ones directly competing with him? lebron going to miami? players holding out? as long as it's civil, and no ones making threats, who cares

ultimately, he was a professional who prob made $1m+ this year and his teammates are technically professionals too. they rely on him to play and win games. imo, as the leader of the team it's his responsibility to play and help his teammates win games, get their draft stock up, make more money in NIL, etc

I'm sorry nobody cares about the whatchamacallitbowl...meaningless game. If anything it raised his draft stock. Iowa State has one of the best pass defenses in the country and he carved them up with no name WR's.

Nabers got his records and was taken out of the 2nd half of his bowl game and no one cared.

I just feel its a weak talking point. Because the current environment that college football has set has put these kids in this situation to make business decisions. And I'm going to put myself in his shoes. He is basically a zero star coming from a family with no money. To tell him to tough it out and play and risk his future in a meaningless game after he showed out for a half, nah thats not it.

most of the games in college football are meaningless, but if he's making 7 figures, is he not a professional that should play? you're talking about him and how he's helping himself, but he's had a bunch of guys in the locker room going to war for him, and he should be doing things to help them and get their stock up as well. selfish call imo.

nabers isn't the qb and leader of a football team

what is the current environment in college football that puts these kids in this situation to make business decisions? everyone makes business decisions even in the NFL and they are allowed to get discussed. ultimately, he gets paid pretty handsomely for his services. this was maybe true years ago, though players were always getting paid, but it isn't right now.

Yeah it was a bad look for Cam. I wonder how his team mates feel about that.

[MrDollarBills]

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Skinner seems to be all in on Ward, and I can see why. Wow.

[MrDollarBills]

I absolutely have no problem with college athletes getting paid , the problem was there was no structure around it but that's the NCAA for ya. I do think it does speak to the culture these coaches create. You can let NIL run your program or you can run your program, not saying you don't need NIL btw.

Last year Georgia missed the college football playoffs, and their guys played in the bowl game when they didn't have to and Florida State had 25 guys sitting out the bowl game. Here we are a year later Georgia is in the college football playoffs and Florida State went 2-10, they got a qb transfer from Oregon State that was god awful for them.

The coach for Miami to allow Cam Ward to play 1 half of football does set a bad precedent for his program moving forward in my opinion. You had guys fighting on the sideline I'm not talking arguing or pushing and shoving I'm talking full on haymakers. We'll see how good Miami is next year without Cam Ward.

I'm not a Miami fan so I don't care either. Just saying, a coach who establishes a culture tells Cam Ward we support your decision whether you wanna play or not but you can't be in it half way.

Cam Ward decision will not affect his draft stock one bit nor should it. Sure questions will come up about his decision but that's the nfl draft process, but if he leads a team toward a Super Bowl no one will care.

This is how I feel. Personally, I do not care. Is he able to perform at a high level in the NFL is my only concern. No one will care about this in a few months if he's drafted by the Giants.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not a Miami fan so I don't care either. Just saying, a coach who establishes a culture tells Cam Ward we support your decision whether you wanna play or not but you can't be in it half way.

Cam Ward decision will not affect his draft stock one bit nor should it. Sure questions will come up about his decision but that's the nfl draft process, but if he leads a team toward a Super Bowl no one will care.

There is a reason a lot of the big time coaches have left...its a free for all now in college sports. Like you said the issue is they brought in NIL with no regulations.

That is why I can't get mad at a player...the system is the system...these meaningless bowl games are simply a money grab. A lot of media has to defend it because networks pay a ton of money for the games...but its a sham. No fans or NFL front offices care about it.

If Cam Ward is starting for us at QB come September I don't care if he played 1 half in the Draftkings Over Under Bowl

[jvsimonetti0514]

Surprised these bowl games still even happen now that there’s a playoff. They used to serve some sort of purpose but that’s all gone now. Wonder how long they’ll keep it up for just seems so antiquated leftover from the old system.

[Strick]

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Skinner seems to be all in on Ward, and I can see why. Wow.

I do think he has a bit of a Miami bias based off of previous drafts and players he loves. That being said there is a lot to like about Cam Ward

[Kampuchea]

Logical choice by Cam, protect your earnings potential.

More importantly, two more giants losses are needed. Hope our opponents are playing for something.

[mpharris36]

Surprised these bowl games still even happen now that there’s a playoff. They used to serve some sort of purpose but that’s all gone now. Wonder how long they’ll keep it up for just seems so antiquated leftover from the old system.

[mpharris36]

Logical choice by Cam, protect your earnings potential.

More importantly, two more giants losses are needed. Hope our opponents are playing for something.

Colts for sure are...they are still alive for playoff spot with the broncos loss last night

Eagles...who knows...a lot will be decided today. You are rooting for an eagles loss and commanders win so that the division is still up in the air going into the final week and eagles have to play.

[TerrenceClarke]

Fuccck what anyone talking about. It’s still corny.

Just don’t play the game period. Anyone defending pulling yourself out of a game at the half is bugging.

The respectable thing is just not to play. No controversy and you still protect your bag.

People talking about it didn’t matter seem to forget that it mattered enough to Cam to get his record. He obviously cared about that.

You don’t do teammates like that at the QB position. That’s a character issue.

Again. You start the game then pull yourself out the game as a QB and leave teammates hanging is wack. Please don’t blame the system. That’s not the system. That’s the player.

Just sit the fucccck down.

Anyone defending this behavior from a leadership position is lying to themselves.

If you was in the position of cam teammates you would not be acting like this.

Imagine if this was war and a general did that.What happens to morale after????

Exactly.