2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2

[MettaWorldPanda]

BK has always been a big fan of Russell. They replaced Schroeder with Russell and got 6 2nd rd picks stocking their cupboards for the future. BK most likely resigns Russell

[Kobewade11]

July 2023: Traded 2029 2nd round pick and a 2030 2nd round pick to OKC for Victor Oladipo salary dump.
Feb 2023: Traded 2028 2nd round pick to San Antonio Spurs for Dewayne Dedmon salary dump.
Jul 2019: Traded 2022 2nd round pick, 2025 2nd round pick, 2026 2nd round pick to Indiana for KZ Okpala.
Lost a second round pick as a result of Kyle Lowry tampering investigation

If we didn't make these moves above, sometime in 2026 we'd be sitting here reflecting on this note: Dec 2024 - traded multiple second rounders for Dorian Finney-Smith

That Okpala pick was a big miss from our scouts however. Internally he was talked about as the guy with the highest ceiling, above even Herro and Bam.

[AirP.]

And I 100% believe that Riley would trade Jimmy if they got a good offer. I dont believe for a second that hes being honest in his public statement.

Sure he's being honest, did he say Miami didn't listen to offers earlier than that day? No. All he said was that Miami wasn't trading him. It's really simple, it's quite possible for a while Miami was open to listen to teams with possible players and asset combos that might be in a package for Butler and decided it wasn't near what they wanted so they decided to just move forwards with Butler this year. Like I've been saying, I think Miami would like Butler walk to clear up cap space, a happy 2nd option for Miami is giving Butler a new contract over like 3 years (Butler option out of his player option) to give Butler less money next year than his player option, every dollar in reduction of his salary next year helps the owner and makes it easier for Miami's FO to get out of the tax, so even giving him an extra year or two could be much better for the franchise, getting out of the apron and tax.

[AirP.]

July 2023: Traded 2029 2nd round pick and a 2030 2nd round pick to OKC for Victor Oladipo salary dump.
Feb 2023: Traded 2028 2nd round pick to San Antonio Spurs for Dewayne Dedmon salary dump.
Jul 2019: Traded 2022 2nd round pick, 2025 2nd round pick, 2026 2nd round pick to Indiana for KZ Okpala.
Lost a second round pick as a result of Kyle Lowry tampering investigation

If we didn't make these moves above, sometime in 2026 we'd be sitting here reflecting on this note: Dec 2024 - traded multiple second rounders for Dorian Finney-Smith

That Okpala pick was a big miss from our scouts however. Internally he was talked about as the guy with the highest ceiling, above even Herro and Bam.

Too late for that!

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[MettaWorldPanda]

And I 100% believe that Riley would trade Jimmy if they got a good offer. I dont believe for a second that hes being honest in his public statement.

Sure he is, did he say Miami didn't listen to offers? All he said was that Miami wasn't trading him. It's really simple, it's quite possible for a while Miami was open to listen to teams with possible players and asset combos that might be in a package for Butler and decided it wasn't near what they wanted so they decided to just move forwards with Butler this year. Like I've been saying, I think Miami would like Butler walk to clear up cap space, a happy 2nd option for Miami is giving Butler a new contract over like 3 years (Butler option out of his player option) to give Butler less money next year than his player option, every dollar in reduction of his salary next year helps the owner and makes it easier for Miami's FO to get out of the tax, so even giving him an extra year or two could be much better for the franchise, getting out of the apron and tax.

Yup i think the compromise is getting Butler to take less next year with increases the 2nd and 3rd year to alleviate the tax next year. Him not using his player option into 52 million puts them in a tough spot and most likely ends up with us trading him for pennies on the dollar and dealing with teams that will help us take back less in salary.

[AirP.]

And I 100% believe that Riley would trade Jimmy if they got a good offer. I dont believe for a second that hes being honest in his public statement.

Sure he is, did he say Miami didn't listen to offers? All he said was that Miami wasn't trading him. It's really simple, it's quite possible for a while Miami was open to listen to teams with possible players and asset combos that might be in a package for Butler and decided it wasn't near what they wanted so they decided to just move forwards with Butler this year. Like I've been saying, I think Miami would like Butler walk to clear up cap space, a happy 2nd option for Miami is giving Butler a new contract over like 3 years (Butler option out of his player option) to give Butler less money next year than his player option, every dollar in reduction of his salary next year helps the owner and makes it easier for Miami's FO to get out of the tax, so even giving him an extra year or two could be much better for the franchise, getting out of the apron and tax.

Yup i think the compromise is getting Butler to take less next year with increases the 2nd and 3rd year to alleviate the tax next year. Him not using his player option into 52 million puts them in a tough spot and most likely ends up with us trading him for pennies on the dollar and dealing with teams that will help us take back less in salary.

I forgot to add, if Butler does that, I think he'll push to get a no-trade stipulation, why take less money if could be moved in a year or 2? Butler wants to retire in Miami and this is one way to make sure it gets done, he helps Miami out, they help him out.

[Flash4thewin]

And I 100% believe that Riley would trade Jimmy if they got a good offer. I dont believe for a second that hes being honest in his public statement.

Sure he's being honest, did he say Miami didn't listen to offers earlier than that day? No. All he said was that Miami wasn't trading him. It's really simple, it's quite possible for a while Miami was open to listen to teams with possible players and asset combos that might be in a package for Butler and decided it wasn't near what they wanted so they decided to just move forwards with Butler this year. Like I've been saying, I think Miami would like Butler walk to clear up cap space, a happy 2nd option for Miami is giving Butler a new contract over like 3 years (Butler option out of his player option) to give Butler less money next year than his player option, every dollar in reduction of his salary next year helps the owner and makes it easier for Miami's FO to get out of the tax, so even giving him an extra year or two could be much better for the franchise, getting out of the apron and tax.

Odds are he will opt in to take the 50 mil next year. Stubborn people act stubborn. This way he gets his money and hurts us via the tax. Then the next year he is free to go after the money or go to a contender. We pay the tax and get no assets for him unfortunately.

[AirP.]

And I 100% believe that Riley would trade Jimmy if they got a good offer. I dont believe for a second that hes being honest in his public statement.

Sure he's being honest, did he say Miami didn't listen to offers earlier than that day? No. All he said was that Miami wasn't trading him. It's really simple, it's quite possible for a while Miami was open to listen to teams with possible players and asset combos that might be in a package for Butler and decided it wasn't near what they wanted so they decided to just move forwards with Butler this year. Like I've been saying, I think Miami would like Butler walk to clear up cap space, a happy 2nd option for Miami is giving Butler a new contract over like 3 years (Butler option out of his player option) to give Butler less money next year than his player option, every dollar in reduction of his salary next year helps the owner and makes it easier for Miami's FO to get out of the tax, so even giving him an extra year or two could be much better for the franchise, getting out of the apron and tax.

Odds are he will opt in to take the 50 mil next year. Stubborn people act stubborn. This way he gets his money and hurts us via the tax. Then the next year he is free to go after the money or go to a contender. We pay the tax and get no assets for him unfortunately.

Unless Miami gets out of the tax, they're also paying the repeater tax next year. Just being over the tax is costing the owner an extra ~45 million before the repeater tax is started and when it's started that tax bill is going to look much worse.

This isn't a Butler situation, this is a FO painting themselves in a corner situation, they created this by sending out Lowry's 30 million dollar expiring contract and a 1st for Rozier's 25 mil a year contract.

It's all about value, you may not like Butler's 45-50 million dollar a year contract, but it's a way better value than nearly the same money spent on Robinson and Rozier.

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And I 100% believe that Riley would trade Jimmy if they got a good offer. I dont believe for a second that hes being honest in his public statement.

Sure he is, did he say Miami didn't listen to offers? All he said was that Miami wasn't trading him. It's really simple, it's quite possible for a while Miami was open to listen to teams with possible players and asset combos that might be in a package for Butler and decided it wasn't near what they wanted so they decided to just move forwards with Butler this year. Like I've been saying, I think Miami would like Butler walk to clear up cap space, a happy 2nd option for Miami is giving Butler a new contract over like 3 years (Butler option out of his player option) to give Butler less money next year than his player option, every dollar in reduction of his salary next year helps the owner and makes it easier for Miami's FO to get out of the tax, so even giving him an extra year or two could be much better for the franchise, getting out of the apron and tax.

Yup i think the compromise is getting Butler to take less next year with increases the 2nd and 3rd year to alleviate the tax next year. Him not using his player option into 52 million puts them in a tough spot and most likely ends up with us trading him for pennies on the dollar and dealing with teams that will help us take back less in salary.

At this point it looks like we'd be trading pennies for pennies.

30 games in and Jimmy has already missed 10 games.

[contract]

Sure he is, did he say Miami didn't listen to offers? All he said was that Miami wasn't trading him. It's really simple, it's quite possible for a while Miami was open to listen to teams with possible players and asset combos that might be in a package for Butler and decided it wasn't near what they wanted so they decided to just move forwards with Butler this year. Like I've been saying, I think Miami would like Butler walk to clear up cap space, a happy 2nd option for Miami is giving Butler a new contract over like 3 years (Butler option out of his player option) to give Butler less money next year than his player option, every dollar in reduction of his salary next year helps the owner and makes it easier for Miami's FO to get out of the tax, so even giving him an extra year or two could be much better for the franchise, getting out of the apron and tax.

Yup i think the compromise is getting Butler to take less next year with increases the 2nd and 3rd year to alleviate the tax next year. Him not using his player option into 52 million puts them in a tough spot and most likely ends up with us trading him for pennies on the dollar and dealing with teams that will help us take back less in salary.

I forgot to add, if Butler does that, I think he'll push to get a no-trade stipulation, why take less money if could be moved in a year or 2? Butler wants to retire in Miami and this is one way to make sure it gets done, he helps Miami out, they help him out.

If Pat gets rolled by a guy with no leverage, forget retiring, he needs a blindfold and a cigarette.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Sure he's being honest, did he say Miami didn't listen to offers earlier than that day? No. All he said was that Miami wasn't trading him. It's really simple, it's quite possible for a while Miami was open to listen to teams with possible players and asset combos that might be in a package for Butler and decided it wasn't near what they wanted so they decided to just move forwards with Butler this year. Like I've been saying, I think Miami would like Butler walk to clear up cap space, a happy 2nd option for Miami is giving Butler a new contract over like 3 years (Butler option out of his player option) to give Butler less money next year than his player option, every dollar in reduction of his salary next year helps the owner and makes it easier for Miami's FO to get out of the tax, so even giving him an extra year or two could be much better for the franchise, getting out of the apron and tax.

Odds are he will opt in to take the 50 mil next year. Stubborn people act stubborn. This way he gets his money and hurts us via the tax. Then the next year he is free to go after the money or go to a contender. We pay the tax and get no assets for him unfortunately.

Unless Miami gets out of the tax, they're also paying the repeater tax next year. Just being over the tax is costing the owner an extra ~45 million before the repeater tax is started and when it's started that tax bill is going to look much worse.

This isn't a Butler situation, this is a FO painting themselves in a corner situation, they created this by sending out Lowry's 30 million dollar expiring contract and a 1st for Rozier's 25 mil a year contract.

It's all about value, you may not like Butler's 45-50 million dollar a year contract, but it's a way better value than nearly the same money spent on Robinson and Rozier.

We are 6 million over next year that has to get shaved off. If they implement Duncan’s non partial they’ll be under with 10 million of dead money. That’s probably the last thing they want to do but the option is there. Also Butler is not getting a no trade clause.

[contract]

Odds are he will opt in to take the 50 mil next year. Stubborn people act stubborn. This way he gets his money and hurts us via the tax. Then the next year he is free to go after the money or go to a contender. We pay the tax and get no assets for him unfortunately.

Unless Miami gets out of the tax, they're also paying the repeater tax next year. Just being over the tax is costing the owner an extra ~45 million before the repeater tax is started and when it's started that tax bill is going to look much worse.

This isn't a Butler situation, this is a FO painting themselves in a corner situation, they created this by sending out Lowry's 30 million dollar expiring contract and a 1st for Rozier's 25 mil a year contract.

It's all about value, you may not like Butler's 45-50 million dollar a year contract, but it's a way better value than nearly the same money spent on Robinson and Rozier.

We are 6 million over next year that has to get shaved off. If they implement Duncan’s non partial they’ll be under with 10 million of dead money. That’s probably the last thing they want to do but the option is there.

We can always revisit our greatest hits and give some team with cap space a 1st round pick to haul Rozier away.

[AirP.]

Yup i think the compromise is getting Butler to take less next year with increases the 2nd and 3rd year to alleviate the tax next year. Him not using his player option into 52 million puts them in a tough spot and most likely ends up with us trading him for pennies on the dollar and dealing with teams that will help us take back less in salary.

I forgot to add, if Butler does that, I think he'll push to get a no-trade stipulation, why take less money if could be moved in a year or 2? Butler wants to retire in Miami and this is one way to make sure it gets done, he helps Miami out, they help him out.

If Pat gets rolled by a guy with no leverage, forget retiring, he needs a blindfold and a cigarette.

No leverage? He can leave for nothing and with Miami expected to be a no tax team, this team won't be getting anyone to replace him for a couple of years.

[twix2500]

I would take D'Angelo Russell. I think he fits Spo offensive system.

[contract]

I forgot to add, if Butler does that, I think he'll push to get a no-trade stipulation, why take less money if could be moved in a year or 2? Butler wants to retire in Miami and this is one way to make sure it gets done, he helps Miami out, they help him out.

If Pat gets rolled by a guy with no leverage, forget retiring, he needs a blindfold and a cigarette.

No leverage? He can leave for nothing and with Miami expected to be a no tax team, this team won't be getting anyone to replace him for a couple of years.

If Jimmy was 33, that would be leverage. But he's 35 and he's already missed 10 games 30 games into the season.

Jimmy walking is not a threat, it would be a favor.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I forgot to add, if Butler does that, I think he'll push to get a no-trade stipulation, why take less money if could be moved in a year or 2? Butler wants to retire in Miami and this is one way to make sure it gets done, he helps Miami out, they help him out.

If Pat gets rolled by a guy with no leverage, forget retiring, he needs a blindfold and a cigarette.

No leverage? He can leave for nothing and with Miami expected to be a no tax team, this team won't be getting anyone to replace him for a couple of years.

He picked a bad year to do this. He was a year late. Could have been Paul George with the Sixers as the only show in town with a max slot. Brooklyn will have some money but doubtful it’s spent on Jimmy and probably not worth passing on the 52 million or just renegotiating a 3 year deal taking less with us.

[Flash4thewin]

I forgot to add, if Butler does that, I think he'll push to get a no-trade stipulation, why take less money if could be moved in a year or 2? Butler wants to retire in Miami and this is one way to make sure it gets done, he helps Miami out, they help him out.

If Pat gets rolled by a guy with no leverage, forget retiring, he needs a blindfold and a cigarette.

No leverage? He can leave for nothing and with Miami expected to be a no tax team, this team won't be getting anyone to replace him for a couple of years.

His leverage is opting in and getting us to be repeat tax payers. Him leaving this offseason would be a miracle for the front office. No, stubborn people do stubborn things, Pat hurt offended Jimmy, Jimmy will make sure Pat and company feel his wrath unless he gets what he wants. In this case, we are looking at punitive tax hits and him leaving at the end of the next season.

[Kobewade11]

July 2023: Traded 2029 2nd round pick and a 2030 2nd round pick to OKC for Victor Oladipo salary dump.
Feb 2023: Traded 2028 2nd round pick to San Antonio Spurs for Dewayne Dedmon salary dump.
Jul 2019: Traded 2022 2nd round pick, 2025 2nd round pick, 2026 2nd round pick to Indiana for KZ Okpala.
Lost a second round pick as a result of Kyle Lowry tampering investigation

If we didn't make these moves above, sometime in 2026 we'd be sitting here reflecting on this note: Dec 2024 - traded multiple second rounders for Dorian Finney-Smith

That Okpala pick was a big miss from our scouts however. Internally he was talked about as the guy with the highest ceiling, above even Herro and Bam.

Too late for that!

Not too late, I saw the trade notification. you missed the point lol.

[AirP.]

Odds are he will opt in to take the 50 mil next year. Stubborn people act stubborn. This way he gets his money and hurts us via the tax. Then the next year he is free to go after the money or go to a contender. We pay the tax and get no assets for him unfortunately.

Unless Miami gets out of the tax, they're also paying the repeater tax next year. Just being over the tax is costing the owner an extra ~45 million before the repeater tax is started and when it's started that tax bill is going to look much worse.

This isn't a Butler situation, this is a FO painting themselves in a corner situation, they created this by sending out Lowry's 30 million dollar expiring contract and a 1st for Rozier's 25 mil a year contract.

It's all about value, you may not like Butler's 45-50 million dollar a year contract, but it's a way better value than nearly the same money spent on Robinson and Rozier.

We are 6 million over next year that has to get shaved off. If they implement Duncan’s non partial they’ll be under with 10 million of dead money. That’s probably the last thing they want to do but the option is there. Also Butler is not getting a no trade clause.

Why would Butler take less money to stay in Miami? The only reason he'd take less is to retire in Miami which probably can only happen if he gets a no-trade clause.

Brooklyn just opened up even more money since D'Lo is expiring. As of now Brooklyn could sign Butler for a large amount just to trade him Dec 15th, 2025 to get assets back. It's a way to keep building their draft assets up.

[AirP.]

If Pat gets rolled by a guy with no leverage, forget retiring, he needs a blindfold and a cigarette.

No leverage? He can leave for nothing and with Miami expected to be a no tax team, this team won't be getting anyone to replace him for a couple of years.

His leverage is opting in and getting us to be repeat tax payers. Him leaving this offseason would be a miracle for the front office. No, stubborn people do stubborn things, Pat hurt offended Jimmy, Jimmy will make sure Pat and company feel his wrath unless he gets what he wants. In this case, we are looking at punitive tax hits and him leaving at the end of the next season.

I think he'll end up walking, Miami won't be adding a player at even his future level for the next few years. I do think the possible extension talks happening now are a way to keep Butler from doing anything destructive.