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Capn'O wrote:Iron Mantis wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
In the entire NBA, OG is 3rd in minutes?
Thibs is a terrorist, intentionally trying to murder OG. Lock his a$$ up!!!!!!
#1 most wanted
Jeff Van Gully wrote:mpharris36 wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
This is malpractice, he has to start playing the bench more. I don't care if we lose random games here and there as long as we get to the playoffs with a healthy roster. Keep in mind, we have not had a single healthy playoff run with him, every year a starter is out.
I can live with one maybe two guys up there.
Mikal is an iron man and Hart just never seems to get tired.
Having Brunson up there with Payne and Deuce on the roster is ridiculous. Also having OG up there is crazy. No elite defenders play that many minutes because defense is way more taxing than offense. Look at Haliburton and Fox up there because they take the other end of the floor off.
Again I'm trying to be reasonable with THibs....one or two guys up there I can live with. But we NEED OG for the playoffs we NEED Brunson for the playoffs...seeding wont matter if these guys are worn down/injured at the end of the season.
good to know. couldn't tell from the game thread posts... every game.
now post the minutes per game leaders. because this is ironic and sensational.
the irony being that these listed knicks are leading in total minutes because we have 1 missed game (personal reasons) this season among those leaders. as in... they've been healthy while others (who do not play for thibs) have not.
brunson continues to average under 35, KAT around 34. most star players play more MPG than both of them.
our wings are playing heavy minutes. we're clearly leaning on them. as has been mentioned in threads ad nauseam, we started the season with injured rotation guys and probably didn't have the best options to win in the meantime. would be nice to see someone else trusted in the mix to bring that down. shamet just made it back and the rotation just expanded from 8 to 9 (not 6 to 7 like some like to suggest).
lastly, minutes police never want to sketch out a full rotation, which is hard and the work of a coach. just numbers that don't have regard for who is playing when, which is easy and the work of a couch. i would legit love to see rotation suggestions that mitigate the minutes better. but it's frustrating to watch either uniformed or intentionally misleading spicy takes because folks just feel a way.
if you gonna be po-po, the community has to trust.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:mpharris36 wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
This is malpractice, he has to start playing the bench more. I don't care if we lose random games here and there as long as we get to the playoffs with a healthy roster. Keep in mind, we have not had a single healthy playoff run with him, every year a starter is out.
I can live with one maybe two guys up there.
Mikal is an iron man and Hart just never seems to get tired.
Having Brunson up there with Payne and Deuce on the roster is ridiculous. Also having OG up there is crazy. No elite defenders play that many minutes because defense is way more taxing than offense. Look at Haliburton and Fox up there because they take the other end of the floor off.
Again I'm trying to be reasonable with THibs....one or two guys up there I can live with. But we NEED OG for the playoffs we NEED Brunson for the playoffs...seeding wont matter if these guys are worn down/injured at the end of the season.
I have never seen 80% of a starting 5 in the top 6 for total minutes before, maybe it's happened before but it certainly hasn't happened in the last 10 years. We've had a lot of blowouts too which makes it surreal, like the Kings are in close games so Fox being up there makes sense, they're +0.8 on the year so all their games are coming down to the final minutes.
Shamet, Precious, Payne and Deuce should be able to soak up enough minutes to keep this in check but since Precious came back Mikals minutes have increased.
A bad overuse injury or one where a guy is playing in a blowout is inevitable, you can see this coming a mile away.
Jeff Van Gully wrote:Capn'O wrote:Iron Mantis wrote:In the entire NBA, OG is 3rd in minutes?
Thibs is a terrorist, intentionally trying to murder OG. Lock his a$$ up!!!!!!
#1 most wanted
somebody need to put eric adams face in there. i need minutes police reform.
thebuzzardman wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:Capn'O wrote:
#1 most wanted
somebody need to put eric adams face in there. i need minutes police reform.
If Eric Adams ran minutes police reform the entire minutes police program would be farmed out to a contractor who happens to be a relative from Istanbul
Clyde_Style wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:
somebody need to put eric adams face in there. i need minutes police reform.
If Eric Adams ran minutes police reform the entire minutes police program would be farmed out to a contractor who happens to be a relative from Istanbul
mpharris36 wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
I can live with one maybe two guys up there.
Mikal is an iron man and Hart just never seems to get tired.
Having Brunson up there with Payne and Deuce on the roster is ridiculous. Also having OG up there is crazy. No elite defenders play that many minutes because defense is way more taxing than offense. Look at Haliburton and Fox up there because they take the other end of the floor off.
Again I'm trying to be reasonable with THibs....one or two guys up there I can live with. But we NEED OG for the playoffs we NEED Brunson for the playoffs...seeding wont matter if these guys are worn down/injured at the end of the season.
good to know. couldn't tell from the game thread posts... every game.
now post the minutes per game leaders. because this is ironic and sensational.
the irony being that these listed knicks are leading in total minutes because we have 1 missed game (personal reasons) this season among those leaders. as in... they've been healthy while others (who do not play for thibs) have not.
brunson continues to average under 35, KAT around 34. most star players play more MPG than both of them.
our wings are playing heavy minutes. we're clearly leaning on them. as has been mentioned in threads ad nauseam, we started the season with injured rotation guys and probably didn't have the best options to win in the meantime. would be nice to see someone else trusted in the mix to bring that down. shamet just made it back and the rotation just expanded from 8 to 9 (not 6 to 7 like some like to suggest).
lastly, minutes police never want to sketch out a full rotation, which is hard and the work of a coach. just numbers that don't have regard for who is playing when, which is easy and the work of a couch. i would legit love to see rotation suggestions that mitigate the minutes better. but it's frustrating to watch either uniformed or intentionally misleading spicy takes because folks just feel a way.
if you gonna be po-po, the community has to trust.
I'll be honest...you coming way too hot. No one called out anyone specifically and can talk ball, its a relevant convo.
Also the totality of minutes matter. If these guys were given "off" days and sitting on second nights of back to backs like a lot of other guys that would be one thing. But they play every night. Which is an awesome mentality but you also have to save them from themselves. We have bigger and brighter goals then beating WASH in december. And I'm not even saying we would lose if we played more bench...maybe the defensive effort would have been better if we used the end of bench guys more.
There is no situation on a back to back in a non playoff game or must win situation should a player play the entire 2nd half and overtime.
forgive me if that came across "hot." GONYK wrote:I'm not part of the minutes police, but OG was clearly gassed last night. He found it when it counted though.
Hopefully we do our work early next game and everyone can get some rest.
Ideally, a DFS type player would fix our minutes issue for the wings.
On the other hand, OG is paid a lot to play games and I would rather win the game then get him 6 mins of rest.
I'm sure they are diligently managing his recovery.
GONYK wrote:I'm not part of the minutes police, but OG was clearly gassed last night. He found it when it counted though.
Hopefully we do our work early next game and everyone can get some rest.
Ideally, a DFS type player would fix our minutes issue for the wings.
On the other hand, OG is paid a lot to play games and I would rather win the game then get him 6 mins of rest.
I'm sure they are diligently managing his recovery.
Jeff Van Gully wrote:GONYK wrote:I'm not part of the minutes police, but OG was clearly gassed last night. He found it when it counted though.
Hopefully we do our work early next game and everyone can get some rest.
Ideally, a DFS type player would fix our minutes issue for the wings.
On the other hand, OG is paid a lot to play games and I would rather win the game then get him 6 mins of rest.
I'm sure they are diligently managing his recovery.
they were all gassed. they probably didn't settle into their rooms until 3am. tough turnaround. glad we were able to dig deep gut the W out. i think that's an important experience for this group as well.
mpharris36 wrote:GONYK wrote:I'm not part of the minutes police, but OG was clearly gassed last night. He found it when it counted though.
Hopefully we do our work early next game and everyone can get some rest.
Ideally, a DFS type player would fix our minutes issue for the wings.
On the other hand, OG is paid a lot to play games and I would rather win the game then get him 6 mins of rest.
I'm sure they are diligently managing his recovery.
OG is probably my biggest concern because he hasn't been an iron man in his career. We saw what happens when he got hurt vs Indy. He is so valuable to us.
Like you said I think we are seeing more games he is visibly exhausted this month. He required to do so much defensively it would be wise to tone down his mpg from top 10 to down a bit.
Payne and Shamet got zero minutes in the second half...I feel like these guys are vets and decent enough to be trusted with at least a few 2nd half mins.
Jeff Van Gully wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:
good to know. couldn't tell from the game thread posts... every game.
now post the minutes per game leaders. because this is ironic and sensational.
the irony being that these listed knicks are leading in total minutes because we have 1 missed game (personal reasons) this season among those leaders. as in... they've been healthy while others (who do not play for thibs) have not.
brunson continues to average under 35, KAT around 34. most star players play more MPG than both of them.
our wings are playing heavy minutes. we're clearly leaning on them. as has been mentioned in threads ad nauseam, we started the season with injured rotation guys and probably didn't have the best options to win in the meantime. would be nice to see someone else trusted in the mix to bring that down. shamet just made it back and the rotation just expanded from 8 to 9 (not 6 to 7 like some like to suggest).
lastly, minutes police never want to sketch out a full rotation, which is hard and the work of a coach. just numbers that don't have regard for who is playing when, which is easy and the work of a couch. i would legit love to see rotation suggestions that mitigate the minutes better. but it's frustrating to watch either uniformed or intentionally misleading spicy takes because folks just feel a way.
if you gonna be po-po, the community has to trust.
I'll be honest...you coming way too hot. No one called out anyone specifically and can talk ball, its a relevant convo.
Also the totality of minutes matter. If these guys were given "off" days and sitting on second nights of back to backs like a lot of other guys that would be one thing. But they play every night. Which is an awesome mentality but you also have to save them from themselves. We have bigger and brighter goals then beating WASH in december. And I'm not even saying we would lose if we played more bench...maybe the defensive effort would have been better if we used the end of bench guys more.
There is no situation on a back to back in a non playoff game or must win situation should a player play the entire 2nd half and overtime.
just talking ball. no personal attacks. just responses. sorry you feel attacked, but i'm just engaging you in the conversation you presented. i read a lot of the GTs and a lot of it doesn't sound like what you said.
so now the point of your post was there should be load managment days? if so, and if they make a difference, maybe this might have been a good one for brunson... but def at the expense of a W last night given what it took to beat that inspired wizards team. i'd be more open to those kinds of days later in the season and closer to the playoffs after the team has gotten things down cold. but... cumulative minutes.
i think it's a worthwhile thing to ask/consider if an expanded rotation would keep everyone fresher and healthier. but that's a pivot into a different point and conversation altogether. i just said that i genuinely would like to see the fleshed out rotation suggestions.
but I will take you for your word.
Capn'O wrote:Iron Mantis wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
In the entire NBA, OG is 3rd in minutes?
Thibs is a terrorist, intentionally trying to murder OG. Lock his a$$ up!!!!!!
#1 most wanted
Jeff Van Gully wrote:GONYK wrote:I'm not part of the minutes police, but OG was clearly gassed last night. He found it when it counted though.
Hopefully we do our work early next game and everyone can get some rest.
Ideally, a DFS type player would fix our minutes issue for the wings.
On the other hand, OG is paid a lot to play games and I would rather win the game then get him 6 mins of rest.
I'm sure they are diligently managing his recovery.
they were all gassed. they probably didn't settle into their rooms until 3am. tough turnaround. glad we were able to dig deep gut the W out. i think that's an important experience for this group as well.
Jeff Van Gully wrote:mpharris36 wrote:GONYK wrote:I'm not part of the minutes police, but OG was clearly gassed last night. He found it when it counted though.
Hopefully we do our work early next game and everyone can get some rest.
Ideally, a DFS type player would fix our minutes issue for the wings.
On the other hand, OG is paid a lot to play games and I would rather win the game then get him 6 mins of rest.
I'm sure they are diligently managing his recovery.
OG is probably my biggest concern because he hasn't been an iron man in his career. We saw what happens when he got hurt vs Indy. He is so valuable to us.
Like you said I think we are seeing more games he is visibly exhausted this month. He required to do so much defensively it would be wise to tone down his mpg from top 10 to down a bit.
Payne and Shamet got zero minutes in the second half...I feel like these guys are vets and decent enough to be trusted with at least a few 2nd half mins.
I've never once argued against guys getting less minutes. but here is an example. it's one thing to say cam payne and landry shamet should have played. it's another to show what those fives and their ripple effects would be. otherwise it's just the contextless game we play here on the message board.
X 36/ Y 12
Z 30/ A 18
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Jalen Bluntson wrote:ScienceOfLosing wrote:TKKnicks1 wrote:The three point shooting or lack there of is quite concerning. The 3 pt defense or lack there of is quite concerning.
The canary in the coal mine but shhhhhh…
22-10 and we can sit here and pick at things. We play the same teams everyone else plays. We have good stats across the board with PPG/OPP-PPG/NET-RTG/ETC. Are there some concerns? Sure but, we have seen improvements over the course of the season. Hopefully that continues. The 3pt shooting has only been down the last two games. The defense has been questionable all season but, it has improved.
Starting next Friday we will see our schedule get a little tougher. I think by mid January it really picks up. We shall see the results in real time. Hopefully we see the team figure things out like they have all season. We are 32 games in and we have basically been the best team in the league since November 15th record wise. 6-6 to 22-10. Massive improvement. I have faith they continue on the upward trajectory.
The bench will build more chemistry. The coach will continue to tinker with things. Mitch should be back soon. That will add another level to our defense. Maybe we make a trade. There is room to grow and time to improve over the next 50 games. People see the flaws. I don't think anyone is really acting like everything is fine while the room is on fire. Look around the league. We are easily a top 5-6 team. Do we win it all in year one of this group? Time will tell. We are in good shape though moving forward and we can get better.
