Anthony Black - Arkansas

[FarBeyondDriven]

EPM is a useless stats. It's fecal matter shaped into a cake. Developers of the stat knows quite a bit about marketing and website design, zero understanding of regularized regression at a graduate level.

it is but there's other stats that can help paint a picture like:

Amen

12/7/2 and 29% from three
per 36 - 16/10/3 shooting 30% from three with 2.5 stocks

Black
8/3/4 and 26% from three

per 36 - 12/4/6 shooting 26% from three with 2 stocks

Hopefully, next season, when Black is Amen's age, he'll put up stats like him because Amen is 1 year older. Black is close to the same age as Reed Sheppard. Only 5 months separate them.

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hopefully!!

[basketballRob]

it is but there's other stats that can help paint a picture like:

Amen

12/7/2 and 29% from three
per 36 - 16/10/3 shooting 30% from three with 2.5 stocks

Black
8/3/4 and 26% from three

per 36 - 12/4/6 shooting 26% from three with 2 stocks

Hopefully, next season, when Black is Amen's age, he'll put up stats like him because Amen is 1 year older. Black is close to the same age as Reed Sheppard. Only 5 months separate them.

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hopefully!!

Stocks per 36 mpg. Black is up to 2.5, and Amen is at 2.8

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[QingJames]

The Magic clearly do not trust him to play consistent minutes. His defense is good, but this kid is a 1-way player. Terrible offensively without any real skills on that end. He’s not a point guard, and he’s an awful scorer so I do find it hard to believe he has much of a future in the league. You can’t play 4-on-5 on offense nowadays.

Don’t like the Amen comparisons because Amen has much better playmaking instincts than Black is likely to ever develop.

For the 6th pick, he’s looking like a huge bust right now.

[Braggins]

Don’t like the Amen comparisons because Amen has much better playmaking instincts than Black is likely to ever develop.

Black is at 5.5 assists per 75 possession and 22.0% assist percentage right now. Amen is at 2.8 assists per75 and has an 11.1% assist%.

[eyriq]

The Magic clearly do not trust him to play consistent minutes. His defense is good, but this kid is a 1-way player. Terrible offensively without any real skills on that end. He’s not a point guard, and he’s an awful scorer so I do find it hard to believe he has much of a future in the league. You can’t play 4-on-5 on offense nowadays.

Don’t like the Amen comparisons because Amen has much better playmaking instincts than Black is likely to ever develop.

For the 6th pick, he’s looking like a huge bust right now.

He's consistently been our 3rd guard in the rotation. They have Suggs and KCP ahead of him and a platoon of guards behind him to fill 4th guard minutes. His role and playing time has been pretty stable.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Suggs down now so he should get some serious run unless they make trades

[basketballRob]

Suggs down now so he should get some serious run unless they make trades

Suggs might miss 1-2 games.

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[FarBeyondDriven]

sucks he's also injured so can't even take advantage of 3 starters being out

[QingJames]

Can you guys explain why he's not playing even with Paolo, Suggs and Franz out with the only other real guard on the roster being Cole Anthony?
Black might just be bad. Like I said, his coaches clearly do not trust this guy to play heavy minutes.

[Braggins]

Can you guys explain why he's not playing

He is playing. He missed a couple weeks with back spasms and has been back for the last two games.

Blacks minutes in his last 10 games hes been active for

10, 26, 30, 14, 23, 18, 31, 20, 32, 26

Average of 23.0 minutes, which is -0.7 compared to his season average of 23.7 mpg.

[JMAC3]

Can you guys explain why he's not playing

He is playing. He missed a couple weeks with back spasms and has been back for the last two games.

He played 10 mins last night, scored 3 pts.
Also, got absolutely boomed on by Anthony Edwards last night.

Not a great sign the Magic have handed the keys to the car to Cole Anthony over Black. Dude is a decent role player off the bench, ala Delon Wright.

[tmorgan]

It’s really hard to play with a lead guard that isn’t much of a threat to score. I’m not saying Black is as hopeless as Killian Hayes was, but it absolutely firebombs your offense to have a guy out there afraid to shoot. It’s not Orlando’s only offensive problem, but it’s a big one.

At this point, Black looks destined for a 4th guard, defensive specialist role. Weirder things have happened than a guy growing a pair after his rookie contract, though, so I guess never say never.

[EvanZ]

He actively avoids shooting. Has zero confidence in his shot. This is different, for example, from LaMelo who as a prospect was not a good shooter (yet) but kept pulling. Black has no confidence. That tells you it’s a big project to get his shooting to an NBA level. And if he can’t shoot he basically may not be playable.

(this quote was like page 6 of the thread) It just goes to show you how much shooting is a make or break skill for most NBA prospects, especially for guards/wings. As much talent as AB has in other areas, without shooting he's probably a straight up bust. It happens.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Black is one of the smartest players I've ever seen for his age and is great at a lot of things, but you're just not a good player 98% of the time if you're a guard that's bad at shooting. Really unfortunate.

[azcatz11]

They're just so far apart from a shooting AND scoring perspective, not worth making the comparison.

Cade: 20 PPG, 40% from 3 on 5.7 attempts per game, 84% FT, OBPM of 5.1, 18% turnover rate on a 29% usage rate
Black: 12.8 PPG, 30% from 3 on 2.6 attempts per game, 70% FT, OBPM of 2.8, 20% turnover rate on a 20% usage rate

Just very different players.

Cade was only like 4 months older than Black on draft night. That's nothing - not even worth pointing out. The difference in competition between the SEC and the Big 12 is also so small that it's not worth pointing out. The fact that you including BOTH of these as part of your argument, really makes it seem like you're reaching.

Do you realize how rare it is for a freshman in a conference like the Big 12 to average 20 PPG? Let alone shoot 40% from 3 on 6 attempts a game and 85% FT? Doing all of that with a weak supporting cast that had no other NBA prospects on the team - and still putting up a BPM over 8. Doing all of that at 6'7", after being a consensus top 2 draft pick coming out of HS after being the best player on the best HS team we have seen in recent memory. That's the profile of a franchise player, with a case to go #1 overall in the draft. Anthony black is a good player, a good prospect - but he does not have this type of profile.

That guy has had it in for Cade since Day 1 so not surprised that he's throwing him in this comparison no matter how misguided.
Cade was quite clearly much more of a scorer, lead scoring option, than Black is currently.

Black is a better defender and looks to facilitate more than Cade did in college but isn't near the same scorer. Different players, like you said. Some see big PG with big hair that play cerebral and make that connection but it doesn't make the comparison valid. Giddey is the better comparable, at least stylistically.

Cade is still trash for a #1 pick. Note Cade is a good player, just trash tier for a #1 pick. Quote me in 2 years.

Black is basically as good as Cade.

Not quite 2 years but close enough.

Just thought it was funny. Don't take anything by this lol

[tmorgan]

Crunchie is gonna ride that “Cade sucks, and my player evals are always right” train right into the ground.

[eyriq]

Can you guys explain why he's not playing even with Paolo, Suggs and Franz out with the only other real guard on the roster being Cole Anthony?
Black might just be bad. Like I said, his coaches clearly do not trust this guy to play heavy minutes.

Mosley does this thing where he replaces starters with third stringers to maintain bench continuity. You'll see this last season with AB replacing Fultz in the starting lineup while Fultz was out, leap frogging Cole. Now that Cole lost his rotation spot to AB he's getting the starting nod during Suggs absence.

[EvanZ]

Can you guys explain why he's not playing even with Paolo, Suggs and Franz out with the only other real guard on the roster being Cole Anthony?
Black might just be bad. Like I said, his coaches clearly do not trust this guy to play heavy minutes.

Mosley does this thing where he replaces starters with third stringers to maintain bench continuity. You'll see this last season with AB replacing Fultz in the starting lineup while Fultz was out, leap frogging Cole. Now that Cole lost his rotation spot to AB he's getting the starting nod during Suggs absence.

Kerr does this sort of annoying **** too. Drives me crazy.

[clyde21]

Can you guys explain why he's not playing

how can we explain something to you that's only happening in your head? Black is 4th in total minutes on the Magic, so not sure what you mean by "he's not playing".

[SeattleJazzFan]

Can you guys explain why he's not playing even with Paolo, Suggs and Franz out with the only other real guard on the roster being Cole Anthony?
Black might just be bad. Like I said, his coaches clearly do not trust this guy to play heavy minutes.

Mosley does this thing where he replaces starters with third stringers to maintain bench continuity. You'll see this last season with AB replacing Fultz in the starting lineup while Fultz was out, leap frogging Cole. Now that Cole lost his rotation spot to AB he's getting the starting nod during Suggs absence.

ha. jerry sloan used to do that. i always hated it.