PG: KNICKS Squeak Past The Wiz's

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not part of the minutes police, but OG was clearly gassed last night. He found it when it counted though.

Hopefully we do our work early next game and everyone can get some rest.

Ideally, a DFS type player would fix our minutes issue for the wings.

On the other hand, OG is paid a lot to play games and I would rather win the game then get him 6 mins of rest.

I'm sure they are diligently managing his recovery.

DFS was the guy I've been wanting here but he makes too much money and got traded to the Lakers

[HEZI]

So, Marbury averaged 40 mpg one season, and Crawford averaged 39.9

Was Thibs lurking on the staff?

Actually he averaged 40 mpg for 3 seasons straight. One and a half seasons with Phoenix then 1 and a half with the Knicks.

Spreewell also averaged something like 40 mpg for 3 straight years. And both were playing like 82 games a year. It was actually pretty common, most starters played those type of minutes and that was when it was a grown man league and players weren’t coddled like they are now.

The injuries nowadays are insane and a lot of it could be related to a shortened training camp, shortened preseason and load management. Ever since the NBA cut training camp down to like 2 weeks instead of a month, cut down the amount of preseason games and this whole load management BS took over, we have seen guys bodies break down because they just aren’t in NBA game shape anymore

[NoDopeOnSundays]

OG is probably my biggest concern because he hasn't been an iron man in his career. We saw what happens when he got hurt vs Indy. He is so valuable to us.

Like you said I think we are seeing more games he is visibly exhausted this month. He required to do so much defensively it would be wise to tone down his mpg from top 10 to down a bit.

Payne and Shamet got zero minutes in the second half...I feel like these guys are vets and decent enough to be trusted with at least a few 2nd half mins.

I've never once argued against guys getting less minutes. but here is an example. it's one thing to say cam payne and landry shamet should have played. it's another to show what those fives and their ripple effects would be. otherwise it's just the contextless game we play here on the message board.

X 36/ Y 12
Z 30/ A 18
...

have thibs play his 1st half rotations similar to his 2nd half rotations....that would solve a lot of my concerns.

I'm not sure how we've reached a point where people are okay with this, the Knicks are playing their bench less than any team in the last 20 years. Through those 20 years, you cannot tell me this is the worst bench in 20 years either, it's simply just not playing. You could literally stagger the minutes between the 3 wings so that they're always going in and out of the game for each other.

There's no rational explanation for Mikal averaging 41mpg for the month of December, none, he's up to 39.2mpg on the season too. The last time anyone played 39mpg was in 2012, and it was Luol Deng under the same coach.

[GettinitDone]

"A Nigerian street food vendor began playing basketball only 5 months ago and now he's in the NBA making millions of dollars"

[NoDopeOnSundays]

So, Marbury averaged 40 mpg one season, and Crawford averaged 39.9

Was Thibs lurking on the staff?

Actually he averaged 40 mpg for 3 seasons straight. One and a half seasons with Phoenix then 1 and a half with the Knicks.

Spreewell also averaged something like 40 mpg for 3 straight years. And both were playing like 82 games a year. It was actually pretty common, most starters played those type of minutes and that was when it was a grown man league and players weren’t coddled like they are now.

The injuries nowadays are insane and a lot of it could be related to a shortened training camp, shortened preseason and load management. Ever since the NBA cut training camp down to like 2 weeks instead of a month, cut down the amount of preseason games and this whole load management BS took over, we have seen guys bodies break down because they just aren’t in NBA game shape anymore

The injuries are related to the moves people are doing that have a lot of shearing force - Step backs, euros, etc and the three point shot, before the explosion in shooting you could have 2 guys guarding the perimeter while the other three were on non-shooters. Now most teams are 4 out 1 in, and the elite are 5 out. You have to close out, change directions, then sprint out to another shooter and change directions again.

Guarding a team with 2 bigs that can't shoot, 2 slashers and maybe 1 guy that can shoot is easier than what players have to deal with now.

[thebuzzardman]

I've never once argued against guys getting less minutes. but here is an example. it's one thing to say cam payne and landry shamet should have played. it's another to show what those fives and their ripple effects would be. otherwise it's just the contextless game we play here on the message board.

X 36/ Y 12
Z 30/ A 18
...

have thibs play his 1st half rotations similar to his 2nd half rotations....that would solve a lot of my concerns.

I'm not sure how we've reached a point where people are okay with this, the Knicks are playing their bench less than any team in the last 20 years. Through those 20 years, you cannot tell me this is the worst bench in 20 years either, it's simply just not playing. You could literally stagger the minutes between the 3 wings so that they're always going in and out of the game for each other.

There's no rational explanation for Mikal averaging 41mpg for the month of December, none, he's up to 39.2mpg on the season too. The last time anyone played 39mpg was in 2012, and it was Luol Deng under the same coach.

Expanded view of Thibs circle of trust: .

[MrDollarBills]

"A Nigerian street food vendor began playing basketball only 5 months ago and now he's in the NBA making millions of dollars"

His feelings were clearly hurt by that dunk

[NoDopeOnSundays]

have thibs play his 1st half rotations similar to his 2nd half rotations....that would solve a lot of my concerns.

I'm not sure how we've reached a point where people are okay with this, the Knicks are playing their bench less than any team in the last 20 years. Through those 20 years, you cannot tell me this is the worst bench in 20 years either, it's simply just not playing. You could literally stagger the minutes between the 3 wings so that they're always going in and out of the game for each other.

There's no rational explanation for Mikal averaging 41mpg for the month of December, none, he's up to 39.2mpg on the season too. The last time anyone played 39mpg was in 2012, and it was Luol Deng under the same coach.

Expanded view of Thibs circle of trust: .

That's too big, you'd need to get down to the quantum scale of an electron orbiting the nucleus of an atom.



We need to find prime Ronnie Brewer, CJ Watson, Taj Gibson and Kyle Korver to have a bench he trusts.

[Guano]

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mp woke up and decided to kill the vibe, eh

[HEZI]

So, Marbury averaged 40 mpg one season, and Crawford averaged 39.9

Was Thibs lurking on the staff?

Actually he averaged 40 mpg for 3 seasons straight. One and a half seasons with Phoenix then 1 and a half with the Knicks.

Spreewell also averaged something like 40 mpg for 3 straight years. And both were playing like 82 games a year. It was actually pretty common, most starters played those type of minutes and that was when it was a grown man league and players weren’t coddled like they are now.

The injuries nowadays are insane and a lot of it could be related to a shortened training camp, shortened preseason and load management. Ever since the NBA cut training camp down to like 2 weeks instead of a month, cut down the amount of preseason games and this whole load management BS took over, we have seen guys bodies break down because they just aren’t in NBA game shape anymore

The injuries are related to the moves people are doing that have a lot of shearing force - Step backs, euros, etc and the three point shot, before the explosion in shooting you could have 2 guys guarding the perimeter while the other three were on non-shooters. Now most teams are 4 out 1 in, and the elite are 5 out. You have to close out, change directions, then sprint out to another shooter and change directions again.

Guarding a team with 2 bigs that can't shoot, 2 slashers and maybe 1 guy that can shoot is easier than what players have to deal with now.

If this is true then the fact that these coddled players are still constantly getting hurt only supports my argument. They are not in NBA game shape and teams have not found a solution for it. Sit a guy a couple games, play him under 30 minutes, oh strained calf muscle.

If minutes restriction worked it would show but it’s actually showing us the opposite effect. Guys keep getting hurt and stay getting hurt.

[mpharris36]

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mp woke up and decided to kill the vibe, eh

maybe I didn't mean it as a negative...thibs would be impressed he has so many people at the top of charts....its means no one has been hurt yet (knocks on wood).

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Actually he averaged 40 mpg for 3 seasons straight. One and a half seasons with Phoenix then 1 and a half with the Knicks.

Spreewell also averaged something like 40 mpg for 3 straight years. And both were playing like 82 games a year. It was actually pretty common, most starters played those type of minutes and that was when it was a grown man league and players weren’t coddled like they are now.

The injuries nowadays are insane and a lot of it could be related to a shortened training camp, shortened preseason and load management. Ever since the NBA cut training camp down to like 2 weeks instead of a month, cut down the amount of preseason games and this whole load management BS took over, we have seen guys bodies break down because they just aren’t in NBA game shape anymore

The injuries are related to the moves people are doing that have a lot of shearing force - Step backs, euros, etc and the three point shot, before the explosion in shooting you could have 2 guys guarding the perimeter while the other three were on non-shooters. Now most teams are 4 out 1 in, and the elite are 5 out. You have to close out, change directions, then sprint out to another shooter and change directions again.

Guarding a team with 2 bigs that can't shoot, 2 slashers and maybe 1 guy that can shoot is easier than what players have to deal with now.

If this is true then the fact that these coddled players are still constantly getting hurt only supports my argument. They are not in NBA game shape and teams have not found a solution for it. Sit a guy a couple games, play him under 30 minutes, oh strained calf muscle.

If minutes restriction worked it would show but it’s actually showing us the opposite effect. Guys keep getting hurt and stay getting hurt.

They aren't coddled, the game is just more demanding on defense than before. KD has said as much, you have to cover more ground now and then change directions rapidly. The guys who are out of shape drop like flies, and the guys who are in shape still get hurt but not with the same frequency.

There's a balance between minutes restriction and just throwing guys out there for tons of unrested minutes. Some teams have found it, others haven't. And there's also a variable which is training staffs, like the injury that Paolo and Franz got is rare, the fact they have the same exact injury on the same exact side within 2 weeks of one another places the blame squarely on whoever their strength and conditioning guy is, sort of like how that bald dude kept making KP work on his upper body only

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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mp woke up and decided to kill the vibe, eh

We're The Minutes Police and we're just doing our job, trying to keep the ligaments safe, we don't want a repeat of last playoffs when the team fell apart. I know you wanted the emirates cup, but the one that matters is in June, this team can do it if they're healthy.

[Guano]

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mp woke up and decided to kill the vibe, eh

maybe I didn't mean it as a negative...thibs would be impressed he has so many people at the top of charts....its means no one has been hurt yet (knocks on wood).

I'm sure he would. He is a maniac

It's hard not to look at that list and not fret over the impending injuries. Seems inevitable if this doesn't change.

And what really sucks is watching this team as is we can see a championship window. But that's imperative that they show up healthy.

[Guano]

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mp woke up and decided to kill the vibe, eh

We're The Minutes Police and we're just doing our job, trying to keep the ligaments safe, we don't want a repeat of last playoffs when the team fell apart. I know you wanted the emirates cup, but the one that matters is in June, this team can do it if they're healthy.

Like the regular police - ain't doing sht to actually help. But posting that list just ruined my morning. Why don't you actually arrest the perp or more important create change* so the perp isn't inclined to offend!

*trade Mitch for a wing.

[HEZI]

The injuries are related to the moves people are doing that have a lot of shearing force - Step backs, euros, etc and the three point shot, before the explosion in shooting you could have 2 guys guarding the perimeter while the other three were on non-shooters. Now most teams are 4 out 1 in, and the elite are 5 out. You have to close out, change directions, then sprint out to another shooter and change directions again.

Guarding a team with 2 bigs that can't shoot, 2 slashers and maybe 1 guy that can shoot is easier than what players have to deal with now.

If this is true then the fact that these coddled players are still constantly getting hurt only supports my argument. They are not in NBA game shape and teams have not found a solution for it. Sit a guy a couple games, play him under 30 minutes, oh strained calf muscle.

If minutes restriction worked it would show but it’s actually showing us the opposite effect. Guys keep getting hurt and stay getting hurt.

They aren't coddled, the game is just more demanding on defense than before. KD has said as much, you have to cover more ground now and then change directions rapidly. The guys who are out of shape drop like flies, and the guys who are in shape still get hurt but not with the same frequency.

There's a balance between minutes restriction and just throwing guys out there for tons of unrested minutes. Some teams have found it, others haven't. And there's also a variable which is training staffs, like the injury that Paolo and Franz got is rare, the fact they have the same exact injury on the same exact side within 2 weeks of one another places the blame squarely on whoever their strength and conditioning guy is, sort of like how that bald dude kept making KP work on his upper body only

Oh they are certainly coddled. They have access to way more better things nowadays to keep their bodies in shape but nothing replaces NBA game shape other than actually playing. When you see Brunson lace them up after being a game time decision while on the 2nd night of a back to back when he easily could have said I’m a no go tonight coach and then he drops 55 in an overtime when many players would have just took the game off to rest, it shows you the difference between men and boys of this league.

This is why this team has a no quit attitude, the captain leads by example and the rest have no excuses but to follow. So we see what they did last night, no quit and no soft bytchasness on this team

[NoDopeOnSundays]

mp woke up and decided to kill the vibe, eh

We're The Minutes Police and we're just doing our job, trying to keep the ligaments safe, we don't want a repeat of last playoffs when the team fell apart. I know you wanted the emirates cup, but the one that matters is in June, this team can do it if they're healthy.

Like the regular police - ain't doing sht to actually help. But posting that list just ruined my morning. Why don't you actually arrest the perp or more important create change* so the perp isn't inclined to offend!

*trade Mitch for a wing.

Isn't there a Thibs Rally you dirty hippies should be attending? MP and I are working overtime policing this ghetto and trying to bring you rational rotations, yet all you do is harass us. If it ruined your morning I'm happy, Officer Harris should get a commendation from the mayor for that alone. We're not here to solve societal problems, we're here to point out the minutes abuse and the job was accomplished.

[Guano]

I can live with one maybe two guys up there.

Mikal is an iron man and Hart just never seems to get tired.

Having Brunson up there with Payne and Deuce on the roster is ridiculous. Also having OG up there is crazy. No elite defenders play that many minutes because defense is way more taxing than offense. Look at Haliburton and Fox up there because they take the other end of the floor off.

Again I'm trying to be reasonable with THibs....one or two guys up there I can live with. But we NEED OG for the playoffs we NEED Brunson for the playoffs...seeding wont matter if these guys are worn down/injured at the end of the season.

I have never seen 80% of a starting 5 in the top 6 for total minutes before, maybe it's happened before but it certainly hasn't happened in the last 10 years. We've had a lot of blowouts too which makes it surreal, like the Kings are in close games so Fox being up there makes sense, they're +0.8 on the year so all their games are coming down to the final minutes.

Shamet, Precious, Payne and Deuce should be able to soak up enough minutes to keep this in check but since Precious came back Mikals minutes have increased.

A bad overuse injury or one where a guy is playing in a blowout is inevitable, you can see this coming a mile away.

The real crime, the real terrorist activity, is Haliburton being 5th in the NBA despite being horrible.

That's "Give Al-Queda a nuke" level terrorism.

Let's allow it.

Those hicks deserve to suffer

[MrDollarBills]

mp woke up and decided to kill the vibe, eh

We're The Minutes Police and we're just doing our job, trying to keep the ligaments safe, we don't want a repeat of last playoffs when the team fell apart. I know you wanted the emirates cup, but the one that matters is in June, this team can do it if they're healthy.

Like the regular police - ain't doing sht to actually help. But posting that list just ruined my morning. Why don't you actually arrest the perp or more important create change* so the perp isn't inclined to offend!

*trade Mitch for a wing.

[Guano]

We're The Minutes Police and we're just doing our job, trying to keep the ligaments safe, we don't want a repeat of last playoffs when the team fell apart. I know you wanted the emirates cup, but the one that matters is in June, this team can do it if they're healthy.

Like the regular police - ain't doing sht to actually help. But posting that list just ruined my morning. Why don't you actually arrest the perp or more important create change* so the perp isn't inclined to offend!

*trade Mitch for a wing.

Isn't there a Thibs Rally you dirty hippies should be attending? MP and I are working overtime policing this ghetto and trying to bring you rational rotations, yet all you do is harass us. If it ruined your morning I'm happy, Officer Harris should get a commendation from the mayor for that alone. We're not here to solve societal problems, we're here to point out the minutes abuse and the job was accomplished.

Should have known this place would get ruined by corrupt cops. See a problem and use it to seize more power