2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2

[MettaWorldPanda]

Unless Miami gets out of the tax, they're also paying the repeater tax next year. Just being over the tax is costing the owner an extra ~45 million before the repeater tax is started and when it's started that tax bill is going to look much worse.

This isn't a Butler situation, this is a FO painting themselves in a corner situation, they created this by sending out Lowry's 30 million dollar expiring contract and a 1st for Rozier's 25 mil a year contract.

It's all about value, you may not like Butler's 45-50 million dollar a year contract, but it's a way better value than nearly the same money spent on Robinson and Rozier.

We are 6 million over next year that has to get shaved off. If they implement Duncan’s non partial they’ll be under with 10 million of dead money. That’s probably the last thing they want to do but the option is there. Also Butler is not getting a no trade clause.

Why would Butler take less money to stay in Miami? The only reason he'd take less is to retire in Miami which probably can only happen if he gets a no-trade clause.

Brooklyn just opened up even more money since D'Lo is expiring. As of now Brooklyn could sign Butler for a large amount just to trade him Dec 15th, 2025 to get assets back. It's a way to keep building their draft assets up.

Less money meaning less than 52 million. BK has like 30 million but let’s say they want to keep Russell that number starts to go down fast. Even our less money amount in the 40’s is a lot more then what he’s getting in the open market. His only hope is to force a trade to a team that will pay him over 50 and i just don’t think it’s out there other then the Heat taking on Beal. That’s why that rumor was so loud.

[MettaWorldPanda]

No leverage? He can leave for nothing and with Miami expected to be a no tax team, this team won't be getting anyone to replace him for a couple of years.

His leverage is opting in and getting us to be repeat tax payers. Him leaving this offseason would be a miracle for the front office. No, stubborn people do stubborn things, Pat hurt offended Jimmy, Jimmy will make sure Pat and company feel his wrath unless he gets what he wants. In this case, we are looking at punitive tax hits and him leaving at the end of the next season.

I think he'll end up walking, Miami won't be adding a player at even his future level for the next few years. I do think the possible extension talks happening now are a way to keep Butler from doing anything destructive.

Him walking like many have said is a blessing in disguise. Means they can take back a whole lot of money in trade and give them exception flexibility. This is doing them a favor. I don’t see this happening. It’s all a bluff like the Harden situation.

[AirP.]

We are 6 million over next year that has to get shaved off. If they implement Duncan’s non partial they’ll be under with 10 million of dead money. That’s probably the last thing they want to do but the option is there. Also Butler is not getting a no trade clause.

Why would Butler take less money to stay in Miami? The only reason he'd take less is to retire in Miami which probably can only happen if he gets a no-trade clause.

Brooklyn just opened up even more money since D'Lo is expiring. As of now Brooklyn could sign Butler for a large amount just to trade him Dec 15th, 2025 to get assets back. It's a way to keep building their draft assets up.

Less money meaning less than 52 million. BK has like 30 million but let’s say they want to keep Russell that number starts to go down fast. Even our less money amount in the 40’s is a lot more then what he’s getting in the open market. His only hope is to force a trade to a team that will pay him over 50 and i just don’t think it’s out there other then the Heat taking on Beal. That’s why that rumor was so loud.

Brooklyn only has 60 million in 8 contracts for next year, they have nearly 100 million for free agency after today. I do think they'll send some of those expiring contracts for other team's problems as long as they're incentivized. OKC got a ton of draft picks by taking on bad salary (with assets), rehabilitating that player's salary and then trading them for assets and other bad contracts, adding Butler would be getting no assets for taking on the salary, but assets for moving him to another team, they could take on another team's bad contracts to demand even more assets.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Why would Butler take less money to stay in Miami? The only reason he'd take less is to retire in Miami which probably can only happen if he gets a no-trade clause.

Brooklyn just opened up even more money since D'Lo is expiring. As of now Brooklyn could sign Butler for a large amount just to trade him Dec 15th, 2025 to get assets back. It's a way to keep building their draft assets up.

Less money meaning less than 52 million. BK has like 30 million but let’s say they want to keep Russell that number starts to go down fast. Even our less money amount in the 40’s is a lot more then what he’s getting in the open market. His only hope is to force a trade to a team that will pay him over 50 and i just don’t think it’s out there other then the Heat taking on Beal. That’s why that rumor was so loud.

Brooklyn only has 60 million in 8 contracts for next year, they have nearly 100 million for free agency after today. I do think they'll send some of those expiring contracts for other team's problems as long as they're incentivized. OKC got a ton of draft picks by taking on bad salary, rehabilitating that player's salary and then trading them for assets, adding Butler would be getting no assets for taking on the salary, but assets for moving him to another team, they could take on another team's bad contracts to demand even more assets.

Then BK has a 36 year old on a rebuilding team then. Good for them and Jimmy.

[AirP.]

Less money meaning less than 52 million. BK has like 30 million but let’s say they want to keep Russell that number starts to go down fast. Even our less money amount in the 40’s is a lot more then what he’s getting in the open market. His only hope is to force a trade to a team that will pay him over 50 and i just don’t think it’s out there other then the Heat taking on Beal. That’s why that rumor was so loud.

Brooklyn only has 60 million in 8 contracts for next year, they have nearly 100 million for free agency after today. I do think they'll send some of those expiring contracts for other team's problems as long as they're incentivized. OKC got a ton of draft picks by taking on bad salary, rehabilitating that player's salary and then trading them for assets, adding Butler would be getting no assets for taking on the salary, but assets for moving him to another team, they could take on another team's bad contracts to demand even more assets.

Then BK has a 36 year old on a rebuilding team then. Good for them and Jimmy.

Well, until December 15th, 2025 when he can be traded. I'm just saying there are options out there. If Butler feels he's not wanted, he's probably going to go, it's why he left Minnesota and Philly, Thibodeau wanted him to stay to the point he about got fired for not trading him.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Brooklyn only has 60 million in 8 contracts for next year, they have nearly 100 million for free agency after today. I do think they'll send some of those expiring contracts for other team's problems as long as they're incentivized. OKC got a ton of draft picks by taking on bad salary, rehabilitating that player's salary and then trading them for assets, adding Butler would be getting no assets for taking on the salary, but assets for moving him to another team, they could take on another team's bad contracts to demand even more assets.

Then BK has a 36 year old on a rebuilding team then. Good for them and Jimmy.

Well, until December 15th, 2025 when he can be traded. I'm just saying there are options out there. If Butler feels he's not wanted, he's probably going to go, it's why he left Minnesota and Philly, Thibodeau wanted him to stay to the point he about got fired for not trading him.

So BK is going to trade him for the same garbage assets we are being offered now? Or it’s going to be different now that he’s on a bloated contract in age 37 and 38 year. BK better served signing and pressing teams in restricted free agent options.

[AirP.]

Then BK has a 36 year old on a rebuilding team then. Good for them and Jimmy.

Well, until December 15th, 2025 when he can be traded. I'm just saying there are options out there. If Butler feels he's not wanted, he's probably going to go, it's why he left Minnesota and Philly, Thibodeau wanted him to stay to the point he about got fired for not trading him.

So BK is going to trade him for the same garbage assets we are being offered now? Or it’s going to be different now that he’s on a bloated contract in age 37 and 38 year. BK better served signing and pressing teams in restricted free agent options.

Brooklyn can take back worse contracts in a trade for assets, Miami isn't doing that, they want to stay competitive. It's an entirely different situation and it seems a lot of people on this board would like to sell him off and rebuild, Miami won't do that, Brooklyn might. I would think in Brooklyn's situation they'd want to take on bad salary for draft picks like OKC did, if they have money left they could just sign players just to trade which includes Butler.

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For instance, Brooklyn signs him for max/near max and Dec 15th, 2025 Milwaukee offers Middleton, Connaughton, a little more filler and whatever picks they have next summer available for Butler if they're not in the 2nd Apron.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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We currently have a 2030 1st and (2) 2nd rd picks Please don’t mention anything about Fox coming. Teams take us to the woodshed in the asset pool game.

[AirP.]

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We currently have a 2030 1st and (2) 2nd rd picks Please don’t mention anything about Fox coming. Teams take us to the woodshed in the asset pool game.

It's interesting to me about the mainstream media, for most teams they just say draft picks even if they're talking about 2nd rounders but for Miami, they point out and say terrible picks and the 1st would be near the end of the 1st round. I wouldn't have noticed this type of talk unless I had been following the Heat for the past 5 years.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Well, until December 15th, 2025 when he can be traded. I'm just saying there are options out there. If Butler feels he's not wanted, he's probably going to go, it's why he left Minnesota and Philly, Thibodeau wanted him to stay to the point he about got fired for not trading him.

So BK is going to trade him for the same garbage assets we are being offered now? Or it’s going to be different now that he’s on a bloated contract in age 37 and 38 year. BK better served signing and pressing teams in restricted free agent options.

Brooklyn can take back worse contracts in a trade for assets, Miami isn't doing that, they want to stay competitive. It's an entirely different situation and it seems a lot of people on this board would like to sell him off and rebuild, Miami won't do that, Brooklyn might. I would think in Brooklyn's situation they'd want to take on bad salary for draft picks like OKC did, if they have money left they could just sign players just to trade which includes Butler.

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For instance, Brooklyn signs him for max/near max and Dec 15th, 2025 Milwaukee offers Middleton, Connaughton, a little more filler and whatever picks they have next summer available for Butler if they're not in the 2nd Apron.

Heat will be overjoyed if he walks to BK and doesn’t opt into that 52 million. It will be like Wade going to Bulls.

[AirP.]

So BK is going to trade him for the same garbage assets we are being offered now? Or it’s going to be different now that he’s on a bloated contract in age 37 and 38 year. BK better served signing and pressing teams in restricted free agent options.

Brooklyn can take back worse contracts in a trade for assets, Miami isn't doing that, they want to stay competitive. It's an entirely different situation and it seems a lot of people on this board would like to sell him off and rebuild, Miami won't do that, Brooklyn might. I would think in Brooklyn's situation they'd want to take on bad salary for draft picks like OKC did, if they have money left they could just sign players just to trade which includes Butler.

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For instance, Brooklyn signs him for max/near max and Dec 15th, 2025 Milwaukee offers Middleton, Connaughton, a little more filler and whatever picks they have next summer available for Butler if they're not in the 2nd Apron.

Heat will be overjoyed if he walks to BK and doesn’t opt into that 52 million lol. It will be like Wade going to the Bulls.

And Miami went nowhere until Butler was convinced by Wade that Miami had his type of mindset, Miami will just be under the tax. I don't get what making the owner more money does for the fans. Miami will still be spending 45 mil on Robinson and Rozier and that's better?

[MettaWorldPanda]

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We currently have a 2030 1st and (2) 2nd rd picks Please don’t mention anything about Fox coming. Teams take us to the woodshed in the asset pool game.

It's interesting to me about the mainstream media, for most teams they just say draft picks even if they're talking about 2nd rounders but for Miami, they point out and say terrible picks and the 1st would be near the end of the 1st round. I wouldn't have noticed this type of talk unless I had been following the Heat for the past 5 years.

It’s because Heat’s history of never tanking.

[AirP.]

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We currently have a 2030 1st and (2) 2nd rd picks Please don’t mention anything about Fox coming. Teams take us to the woodshed in the asset pool game.

It's interesting to me about the mainstream media, for most teams they just say draft picks even if they're talking about 2nd rounders but for Miami, they point out and say terrible picks and the 1st would be near the end of the 1st round. I wouldn't have noticed this type of talk unless I had been following the Heat for the past 5 years.

It’s because Heat’s history of never tanking.

No, teams that would still be at a high level during the seasons they were giving up their 1sts weren't talked that way. This is my 4th team I've really followed (2nd longest though) and Miami gets treated differently in the mainstream media.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Brooklyn can take back worse contracts in a trade for assets, Miami isn't doing that, they want to stay competitive. It's an entirely different situation and it seems a lot of people on this board would like to sell him off and rebuild, Miami won't do that, Brooklyn might. I would think in Brooklyn's situation they'd want to take on bad salary for draft picks like OKC did, if they have money left they could just sign players just to trade which includes Butler.

Spoiler:

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For instance, Brooklyn signs him for max/near max and Dec 15th, 2025 Milwaukee offers Middleton, Connaughton, a little more filler and whatever picks they have next summer available for Butler if they're not in the 2nd Apron.

Heat will be overjoyed if he walks to BK and doesn’t opt into that 52 million lol. It will be like Wade going to the Bulls.

And Miami went nowhere until Butler was convinced by Wade that Miami had his type of mindset, Miami will just be under the tax. I don't get what making the owner more money does for the fans. Miami will still be spending 45 mil on Robinson and Rozier and that's better?

They will have alot more flexibility to use that money to take back a whole lot more money in trade. Access to all exceptions. Maybe not for free agency but flexibility none the less. My preference is too keep Jimmy though. Cmon man you know that

[MettaWorldPanda]

It's interesting to me about the mainstream media, for most teams they just say draft picks even if they're talking about 2nd rounders but for Miami, they point out and say terrible picks and the 1st would be near the end of the 1st round. I wouldn't have noticed this type of talk unless I had been following the Heat for the past 5 years.

It’s because Heat’s history of never tanking.

No, teams that would still be at a high level during the seasons they were giving up their 1sts weren't talked that way. This is my 4th team I've really followed (2nd longest though) and Miami gets treated differently in the mainstream media.

They did like to push that our first traded in the Gogi deal was the most valuable at the time

[RexBoyWonder]

I Think a Rozier + Ware + Jovic + Jamie + 1 unprotected pick trade offer for Deandre Fox has a chance if Fox really wants to be here. He's expiring after next season.

Most good teams have a starting PG..not sure who offers a lot more for him..

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

I Think a Rozier + Ware + Jovic + Jamie + 1 unprotected pick trade offer for Deandre Fox has a chance if Fox really wants to be here. He's expiring after next season.

Most good teams have a starting PG..not sure who offers a lot more for him..

Spurs and Rockets are probably the top suitors but i know “Miami Only” exercise again.

[Flash4thewin]

I Think a Rozier + Ware + Jovic + Jamie + 1 unprotected pick trade offer for Deandre Fox has a chance if Fox really wants to be here. He's expiring after next season.

Most good teams have a starting PG..not sure who offers a lot more for him..

Your thinking like Pat, unfortunately thats a trade proposal that gets you banned, blacklisted and kills any chance in hell of Fox coming here. That’s negotiating in bad faith. Any trade for Fox will start with Hero, Ware, 4+ picks and us taking on a bad contract.
Fox wants to get paid, everything else is secondary, get the cash first, he wants that super max.

[AirP.]

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