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Re: [Lewenberg] After giving up a franchise-record 155 [..], Darko put his team through an extended practice 

Post#61 » by TimeForChange » Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:47 pm

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I'm sure Darko will finish this season. So let's say it goes along as it is now, some highs and lows. And Flagg or another good player is drafted, top 5 let's say. I think he'll be given at least another year to coach a team with some promise, won't he? They'll be trying to build and win more a year from now I assume.

he will definitely be back next year to secure a top pick in 2026.

not happening

we're not far away from being a playoff team talent wise

one more year of development for the young guys and then add in a cooper flagg or dylan harper?

it's game over

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Re: [Lewenberg] After giving up a franchise-record 155 [..], Darko put his team through an extended practice 

Post#62 » by Tha Cynic » Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:52 pm

I think most here wanted this team to switch to youth, which they have done. I think most here figured this will also lead to us getting better draft picks and it looks like we're on our way.

What's the issue? We're judging a coach who's main task this season was development and even the worst naysayers have to admit our young players have all looked good at some point this season where they show more promise than our previous iteration under Nurse.

If Darko is calling for more practice it's because he has the time finally to get those in and also work on things he feels we didn't execute well.

We will suck because our talent level is not up to par. But this team has been competitive and entertaining to watch when everyone isn't injured.

From a bunch of bad defenders he can only ask them to follow directions. He can't miraculously make them all good defenders. That will take years of development even if they do end up better. Darko has done a good job imo when you look at what this season is about. The standards of what he will be judged by next season will change.
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Re: [Lewenberg] After giving up a franchise-record 155 [..], Darko put his team through an extended practice 

Post#63 » by Naysorn » Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:20 pm

TimeForChange wrote:
Naysorn wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:he will definitely be back next year to secure a top pick in 2026.

not happening

we're not far away from being a playoff team talent wise

one more year of development for the young guys and then add in a cooper flagg or dylan harper?

it's game over

you forgot the green font

no

a healthy IQ/RJ/Scottie/Jak is a borderline play-in team

if you throw in cooper flagg, another year of ochai/gradey growth, ja'kobe (who's had a better rookie year than gradey) year 2 leap, shead/mogbo, etc. then you're looking at an 8th seed next year.

top 2026 pick is out of the cards
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Post#64 » by ciueli » Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:37 pm

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ciueli wrote:Can someone explain to me why Bruno got a DNP-CD against Memphis when he was the only real centre on the team? This is a guy who was even getting starts at one point with Jak out, in this game even Temple, Lawson, and Chomche got minutes, but nothing for Bruno.


Bruno sucks and is not a real NBA player. In the 2 games he started for us we lost by a combined 47 points. One of those games was against OKC who was starting JDub at C. He's been on multiple NBA teams and he's never been able to crack a rotation. It's not worth investing anything in him.


It may be that Bruno sucks, but so do a bunch of other players on this team who get minutes, if that wasn't the case this team would have far more than 7 wins. Trying to stop JJJ and Zach Edey with Kelly Olynyk and Mogbo is going to result in a blowout, at least Bruno has some size, maybe he could have done something to prevent a 63 to 40 rebound disparity in this game.
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Re: [Lewenberg] After giving up a franchise-record 155 [..], Darko put his team through an extended practice 

Post#65 » by 36Mafia » Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:43 pm

Naysorn wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:
Naysorn wrote:not happening

we're not far away from being a playoff team talent wise

one more year of development for the young guys and then add in a cooper flagg or dylan harper?

it's game over

you forgot the green font

no

a healthy IQ/RJ/Scottie/Jak is a borderline play-in team

if you throw in cooper flagg, another year of ochai/gradey growth, ja'kobe (who's had a better rookie year than gradey) year 2 leap, shead/mogbo, etc. then you're looking at an 8th seed next year.

top 2026 pick is out of the cards


Before season started some analysts were saying that they weren’t sure if wed be able to beat teams in the China league. Fact is were not good and itll be a while until we sniff playoffs again.
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Re: [Lewenberg] After giving up a franchise-record 155 [..], Darko put his team through an extended practice 

Post#66 » by Naysorn » Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:50 pm

36Mafia wrote:
Naysorn wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:you forgot the green font

no

a healthy IQ/RJ/Scottie/Jak is a borderline play-in team

if you throw in cooper flagg, another year of ochai/gradey growth, ja'kobe (who's had a better rookie year than gradey) year 2 leap, shead/mogbo, etc. then you're looking at an 8th seed next year.

top 2026 pick is out of the cards


Before season started some analysts were saying that they weren’t sure if wed be able to beat teams in the China league. Fact is were not good and itll be a while until we sniff playoffs again.

i mean based off the eye test now, we are competitive against almost every team. we have a lot of promising young talent. i don't think we're that far removed from the playoffs.
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Re: [Lewenberg] After giving up a franchise-record 155 [..], Darko put his team through an extended practice 

Post#67 » by Naysorn » Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:51 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:I think most here wanted this team to switch to youth, which they have done. I think most here figured this will also lead to us getting better draft picks and it looks like we're on our way.

What's the issue? We're judging a coach who's main task this season was development and even the worst naysayers have to admit our young players have all looked good at some point this season where they show more promise than our previous iteration under Nurse.

If Darko is calling for more practice it's because he has the time finally to get those in and also work on things he feels we didn't execute well.

We will suck because our talent level is not up to par. But this team has been competitive and entertaining to watch when everyone isn't injured.

From a bunch of bad defenders he can only ask them to follow directions. He can't miraculously make them all good defenders. That will take years of development even if they do end up better. Darko has done a good job imo when you look at what this season is about. The standards of what he will be judged by next season will change.

100% - there's no issue with darko.

just gotta be patient.

draft lottery isn't that far away. time flies.
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Re: [Lewenberg] After giving up a franchise-record 155 [..], Darko put his team through an extended practice 

Post#68 » by Merit » Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:59 pm

TimeForChange wrote:It's too little too late for Darko. He's a below average head coach. He's just here to get some high picks for the next two seasons.

He will stick around the NBA as an assistant, but he is way over his head right now.


How about you chill on the hot takes until we have meaningful talent.
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Re: [Lewenberg] After giving up a franchise-record 155 [..], Darko put his team through an extended practice 

Post#69 » by Merit » Sun Dec 29, 2024 8:01 pm

ciueli wrote:
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ciueli wrote:Can someone explain to me why Bruno got a DNP-CD against Memphis when he was the only real centre on the team? This is a guy who was even getting starts at one point with Jak out, in this game even Temple, Lawson, and Chomche got minutes, but nothing for Bruno.


Bruno sucks and is not a real NBA player. In the 2 games he started for us we lost by a combined 47 points. One of those games was against OKC who was starting JDub at C. He's been on multiple NBA teams and he's never been able to crack a rotation. It's not worth investing anything in him.


It may be that Bruno sucks, but so do a bunch of other players on this team who get minutes, if that wasn't the case this team would have far more than 7 wins. Trying to stop JJJ and Zach Edey with Kelly Olynyk and Mogbo is going to result in a blowout, at least Bruno has some size, maybe he could have done something to prevent a 63 to 40 rebound disparity in this game.


Bruno is around as potential trade fodder for salary matching and as a break in case of emergency big.
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Re: [Lewenberg] After giving up a franchise-record 155 [..], Darko put his team through an extended practice 

Post#70 » by ciueli » Sun Dec 29, 2024 8:09 pm

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ciueli wrote:
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Bruno sucks and is not a real NBA player. In the 2 games he started for us we lost by a combined 47 points. One of those games was against OKC who was starting JDub at C. He's been on multiple NBA teams and he's never been able to crack a rotation. It's not worth investing anything in him.


It may be that Bruno sucks, but so do a bunch of other players on this team who get minutes, if that wasn't the case this team would have far more than 7 wins. Trying to stop JJJ and Zach Edey with Kelly Olynyk and Mogbo is going to result in a blowout, at least Bruno has some size, maybe he could have done something to prevent a 63 to 40 rebound disparity in this game.


Bruno is around as potential trade fodder for salary matching and as a break in case of emergency big.


I'd say that an opponent outrebounding the Raptors by over 50% in a game is a "break in case of emergency" situation for a big man. Not saying he should have gotten more than 10 minutes or so, I'm not even saying he would have substantially changed the outcome of the game, but it definitely shouldn't have been a case of DNP-CD, it makes Darko's ejection even more ridiculous given that he hadn't tried everything possible at that point in the game. We saw the same thing last year when he had Boucher sitting on the bench so many games when the team was desperate for any kind of size.
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Post#71 » by WaltFrazier » Sun Dec 29, 2024 8:34 pm

Merit wrote:
ciueli wrote:
ConSarnit wrote:
Bruno sucks and is not a real NBA player. In the 2 games he started for us we lost by a combined 47 points. One of those games was against OKC who was starting JDub at C. He's been on multiple NBA teams and he's never been able to crack a rotation. It's not worth investing anything in him.


It may be that Bruno sucks, but so do a bunch of other players on this team who get minutes, if that wasn't the case this team would have far more than 7 wins. Trying to stop JJJ and Zach Edey with Kelly Olynyk and Mogbo is going to result in a blowout, at least Bruno has some size, maybe he could have done something to prevent a 63 to 40 rebound disparity in this game.


Bruno is around as potential trade fodder for salary matching and as a break in case of emergency big.

As soon as Jak is hurt, that's an emergency. 63-40 in rebounds is an emergency
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Post#72 » by sbsat » Sun Dec 29, 2024 10:45 pm

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The growth from Gradey and Ochai alone should give Darko more time, to see what he can do with Mogbo, Ja'Kobe, etc.


Put him in the front office as head of player development then.


It doesn't work that way. The only team in the league playing more total rookie minutes is WAS. This would not have been the plan to begin the year but injury has forced us down this road. Part of developing players is actually playing them and building confidence in them. If Darko is in the front office he has no say as to who actually gets on the floor.

I don't think Darko has been a good x's and o's coach by any means but it's far more important at this point to focus on development than it is to win games.

It should not be hard to understand why we are failing. We are a mid team (if healthy) who has been killed by injuries to what would have been out top 8 rotation players (IQ, Barnes, Brown and Olynyk). There are 27 rookies who have played 300+ minutes this year. We have 4 of those 27. No other team has more than 3 (WAS and UTA have 3 each).

What's more important to you at this point? Player development or better timeout management?


It has been pointed out already that while players are developing as was the objective, players rookies and youngsters are also developing some pretty habits as well. It was also pointed out to look at okc and the coaching there… fair point but daigneault was never even given a roster as capable as what darko got to start last yesr as flawed as it was. Daigheault entered a complete and utter tear down. Still okc does give me some pause to complete write darko off
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Re: [Lewenberg] After giving up a franchise-record 155 [..], Darko put his team through an extended practice 

Post#73 » by DelAbbot » Sun Dec 29, 2024 10:46 pm

Naysorn wrote:
36Mafia wrote:
Naysorn wrote:no

a healthy IQ/RJ/Scottie/Jak is a borderline play-in team

if you throw in cooper flagg, another year of ochai/gradey growth, ja'kobe (who's had a better rookie year than gradey) year 2 leap, shead/mogbo, etc. then you're looking at an 8th seed next year.

top 2026 pick is out of the cards


Before season started some analysts were saying that they weren’t sure if wed be able to beat teams in the China league. Fact is were not good and itll be a while until we sniff playoffs again.

i mean based off the eye test now, we are competitive against almost every team. we have a lot of promising young talent. i don't think we're that far removed from the playoffs.


a play-in game is not the playoffs

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