'25-'26 Dynasty - H2H format, dmastro32 check in, keepers, new rules p94, draft oct 14

[Qwigglez]

The reason I didn't want the change is because it's just an excuse to have more players on your roster. Keeping more quality free agents on the wire is better for the league IMO.
I just counted the number of players from Sunskerr's team that could have played between December 29th to December 7th but was left on the bench, and that was 20 games. Bdub's team has 22 slots between that same time frame that could have suited up and logged you some games. The excuse of needing another roster spot because of injuries is overblown.
Just for clarity, I am counting the number of games that you missed from players that could have been played, in a slot that otherwise was unused. So, for example, if you had your entire roster playing, and had 3 guys also on the bench who played, I did not count that. I specifically counted spots that could have been filled by your bench.
I get that you don't want anyone but SGA to play the PG position, but the concept still applies. Teams that are run by me and Bigfoot are suiting up every guy on our roster, despite if they are good players or not. Obviously, we want to control who plays, and I try to strategically play better players, or players that are on a hot streak, but you can't use the excuse that you simply need players that aren't injured when you have guys sitting on the bench that could have filled a game played.

*Was trying to count URAVERAGE's team but Yahoo crashed or something, but he had 18 missed games between today and November 27th.

If you guys want to change it, then feel free to. I just don't like the fact that we are masquerading making the change because of injuries and not because you just want to have more players on your roster. You just have to be a more proactive owner to fill the number of games played.

[bwgood77]

The reason I didn't want the change is because it's just an excuse to have more players on your roster. Keeping more quality free agents on the wire is better for the league IMO.
I just counted the number of players from Sunskerr's team that could have played between December 29th to December 7th but was left on the bench, and that was 20 games. Bdub's team has 22 slots between that same time frame that could have suited up and logged you some games. The excuse of needing another roster spot because of injuries is overblown.
Just for clarity, I am counting the number of games that you missed from players that could have been played, in a slot that otherwise was unused. So, for example, if you had your entire roster playing, and had 3 guys also on the bench who played, I did not count that. I specifically counted spots that could have been filled by your bench.
I get that you don't want anyone but SGA to play the PG position, but the concept still applies. Teams that are run by me and Bigfoot are suiting up every guy on our roster, despite if they are good players or not. Obviously, we want to control who plays, and I try to strategically play better players, or players that are on a hot streak, but you can't use the excuse that you simply need players that aren't injured when you have guys sitting on the bench that could have filled a game played.

*Was trying to count URAVERAGE's team but Yahoo crashed or something, but he had 18 missed games between today and November 27th.

If you guys want to change it, then feel free to. I just don't like the fact that we are masquerading making the change because of injuries and not because you just want to have more players on your roster. You just have to be a more proactive owner to fill the number of games played.

I personally have done fairly well in games played and most of my injuries were earlier to like Desmond Bane, Dejounte Murray, etc, but there are a few teams with less than 280 games played. It's not a big deal, but there will be some times when you have too many injuries to keep up. I'm not super active all the time though so I probably would miss picking up the best players anyway. But if you don't have injuries to key players you wanted to play, you couldn't keep more players on your roster.

I don't mind not adding spots though given the free agents are crap anyway.

[Slim Charless]

The reason I didn't want the change is because it's just an excuse to have more players on your roster. Keeping more quality free agents on the wire is better for the league IMO.
I just counted the number of players from Sunskerr's team that could have played between December 29th to December 7th but was left on the bench, and that was 20 games. Bdub's team has 22 slots between that same time frame that could have suited up and logged you some games. The excuse of needing another roster spot because of injuries is overblown.
Just for clarity, I am counting the number of games that you missed from players that could have been played, in a slot that otherwise was unused. So, for example, if you had your entire roster playing, and had 3 guys also on the bench who played, I did not count that. I specifically counted spots that could have been filled by your bench.
I get that you don't want anyone but SGA to play the PG position, but the concept still applies. Teams that are run by me and Bigfoot are suiting up every guy on our roster, despite if they are good players or not. Obviously, we want to control who plays, and I try to strategically play better players, or players that are on a hot streak, but you can't use the excuse that you simply need players that aren't injured when you have guys sitting on the bench that could have filled a game played.

*Was trying to count URAVERAGE's team but Yahoo crashed or something, but he had 18 missed games between today and November 27th.

If you guys want to change it, then feel free to. I just don't like the fact that we are masquerading making the change because of injuries and not because you just want to have more players on your roster. You just have to be a more proactive owner to fill the number of games played.

I personally have done fairly well in games played and most of my injuries were earlier to like Desmond Bane, Dejounte Murray, etc, but there are a few teams with less than 280 games played. It's not a big deal, but there will be some times when you have too many injuries to keep up. I'm not super active all the time though so I probably would miss picking up the best players anyway. But if you don't have injuries to key players you wanted to play, you couldn't keep more players on your roster.

I don't mind not adding spots though given the free agents are crap anyway.

I'm not even saying add any extra spots. I get the issue with that. I'm just asking for a swap of 2IL and 1 IL+ to 1 IL and 2IL+

Gives more flexibility.

[sunskerr]

The reason I didn't want the change is because it's just an excuse to have more players on your roster. Keeping more quality free agents on the wire is better for the league IMO.
I just counted the number of players from Sunskerr's team that could have played between December 29th to December 7th but was left on the bench, and that was 20 games. Bdub's team has 22 slots between that same time frame that could have suited up and logged you some games. The excuse of needing another roster spot because of injuries is overblown.
Just for clarity, I am counting the number of games that you missed from players that could have been played, in a slot that otherwise was unused. So, for example, if you had your entire roster playing, and had 3 guys also on the bench who played, I did not count that. I specifically counted spots that could have been filled by your bench.
I get that you don't want anyone but SGA to play the PG position, but the concept still applies. Teams that are run by me and Bigfoot are suiting up every guy on our roster, despite if they are good players or not. Obviously, we want to control who plays, and I try to strategically play better players, or players that are on a hot streak, but you can't use the excuse that you simply need players that aren't injured when you have guys sitting on the bench that could have filled a game played.

*Was trying to count URAVERAGE's team but Yahoo crashed or something, but he had 18 missed games between today and November 27th.

If you guys want to change it, then feel free to. I just don't like the fact that we are masquerading making the change because of injuries and not because you just want to have more players on your roster. You just have to be a more proactive owner to fill the number of games played.

I used to take this position as well but what actually happens is that a strong healthy team at the top of the table can still afford to stash players more than a middle team or injured team (take my team, for instance) when the number of IL slots is lower.

If we take the argument to a more extreme (though leagues with 0 IL actually do exist) to having 0/1/2 IL slots, then ask who benefits? Clearly the top teams. A struggling team low on the ladder with injuries would have to drop players.

The beneficiaries of that are the top teams who can afford to stash those dropped players (since top teams also tend to be healthy).

So when you increase the IL+ or IL slots you actually distance yourself from this conundrum.

Now thankfully we don't have owners dropping blue chip prospects and stars to meet games played, but I will say that in my tenure as commissioner and growth as a FBB manager over the past few years I can see drops every now and then that probably shouldn't have happened, and a few of them (not all) were because of injuries. On the flip side, the only time I've seen a particularly egregious use of IL+ was one time 2-3 years ago, where I myself got called out by everyone for an IL+ full of rotation level guys in and out of my playing lineup of like Okongwu/Plumlee/Cam Payne/various wings.

So we have to be careful when we say some managers are just arguing so they can stash, because there is an argument against that (one that is also prevalent in some competitive FBB circles, too!) which shows not having enough IL actually just helps top teams.

But on the subject of stashing...if low ranked teams can stash more players that's a good thing for the league. We should want them to be able to hold on to every raw prospect or breakout candidate in the free agent pool because bottom teams need all the assistance they can get. Better they stash those players than top teams. And in the off-season we only keep 7-8, and the bottom teams literally only ever keep 7.

[Slim Charless]

The reason I didn't want the change is because it's just an excuse to have more players on your roster. Keeping more quality free agents on the wire is better for the league IMO.
I just counted the number of players from Sunskerr's team that could have played between December 29th to December 7th but was left on the bench, and that was 20 games. Bdub's team has 22 slots between that same time frame that could have suited up and logged you some games. The excuse of needing another roster spot because of injuries is overblown.
Just for clarity, I am counting the number of games that you missed from players that could have been played, in a slot that otherwise was unused. So, for example, if you had your entire roster playing, and had 3 guys also on the bench who played, I did not count that. I specifically counted spots that could have been filled by your bench.
I get that you don't want anyone but SGA to play the PG position, but the concept still applies. Teams that are run by me and Bigfoot are suiting up every guy on our roster, despite if they are good players or not. Obviously, we want to control who plays, and I try to strategically play better players, or players that are on a hot streak, but you can't use the excuse that you simply need players that aren't injured when you have guys sitting on the bench that could have filled a game played.

*Was trying to count URAVERAGE's team but Yahoo crashed or something, but he had 18 missed games between today and November 27th.

If you guys want to change it, then feel free to. I just don't like the fact that we are masquerading making the change because of injuries and not because you just want to have more players on your roster. You just have to be a more proactive owner to fill the number of games played.

I used to take this position as well but what actually happens is that a strong healthy team at the top of the table can still afford to stash players more than a middle team or injured team (take my team, for instance) when the number of IL slots is lower.

If we take the argument to a more extreme (though leagues with 0 IL actually do exist) to having 0/1/2 IL slots, then ask who benefits? Clearly the top teams. A struggling team low on the ladder with injuries would have to drop players.

The beneficiaries of that are the top teams who can afford to stash those dropped players (since top teams also tend to be healthy).

So when you increase the IL+ or IL slots you actually distance yourself from this conundrum.

Now thankfully we don't have owners dropping blue chip prospects and stars to meet games played, but I will say that in my tenure as commissioner and growth as a FBB manager over the past few years I can see drops every now and then that probably shouldn't have happened, and a few of them (not all) were because of injuries. On the flip side, the only time I've seen a particularly egregious use of IL+ was one time 2-3 years ago, where I myself got called out by everyone for an IL+ full of rotation level guys in and out of my playing lineup of like Okongwu/Plumlee/Cam Payne/various wings.

So we have to be careful when we say some managers are just arguing so they can stash, because there is an argument against that (one that is also prevalent in some competitive FBB circles, too!) which shows not having enough IL actually just helps top teams.

But on the subject of stashing...if low ranked teams can stash more players that's a good thing for the league. We should want them to be able to hold on to every raw prospect or breakout candidate in the free agent pool because bottom teams need all the assistance they can get. Better they stash those players than top teams. And in the off-season we only keep 7-8, and the bottom teams literally only ever keep 7.

So you'll change the settings? Seems like its not big hinderance now to the other teams as no one has come forth and said much otherwise.

[Qwigglez]

I'm not even saying add any extra spots. I get the issue with that. I'm just asking for a swap of 2IL and 1 IL+ to 1 IL and 2IL+

Gives more flexibility.

This seems fair.

[bwgood77]

Sucks I dropped Trayce Jackson Davis to keep Schroder, or even Clowney. Shroder looked great but it's amazing how someone can go to top 30 to outside the top 300 after a trade.

[Slim Charless]

Sucks I dropped Trayce Jackson Davis to keep Schroder, or even Clowney. Shroder looked great but it's amazing how someone can go to top 30 to outside the top 300 after a trade.

It's all about fit. A great example for me happened in football this year. Dieonte Johnson was awesome (fantasy-wise) for the Panthers. Then he gets moved to Baltimore and his value sinks to nothing. I got burned on that one lol as I had him for like 4/5 teams

[sunskerr]

Sucks I dropped Trayce Jackson Davis to keep Schroder, or even Clowney. Shroder looked great but it's amazing how someone can go to top 30 to outside the top 300 after a trade.

minutes and usage rate are the most correlated with production, in that order I think. Schroder lost about 5 mpg (33->28 mpg) with the trade (so far 7 games played) so that's a massive chunk of minutes gone. He also isn't typically a great steals guy (0.8) per game nor does he get blocks so his statistical profile isn't buoyed by those stats.

But there is stuff that will probably return to the mean, like his shooting. 2P% and 3P% is WAY down in GS. He won't shoot 30% the whole year.

But my guess is without the minutes he won't get the assists and steals that made him a mid round guy this year so far. Late round (9/10/11) is best scenario, but that's still very serviceable in a 16T league.

The guy who would've been good in that role (28 mpg starter aka "low end starter") was Melton who unfortunately tore his acl. Melton was a guy who'd get you 2 3PG 1.5 SPG in those minutes.

I don't think Trayce Jackson Davis is a particularly good player or anything. I mean long term as a dynasty asset I don't particularly rate him that highly. But I guess he's been good recently with Kerr pumping in more minutes. The Warriors young guys (Kuminga/Podz/TJD) I've always been cautious about because they quite frankly got overhyped compared to what their stats looked like.

I can write how I evaluate NBA prospects-level players (not college) if anyone is interested.

Also, I tried to convert an IL to IL+ but yahoo doesn't allow that despite all IL players being eligible for IL+.

[wheezy]

I've loved Melton for fantasy the last couple years. Sneaky good production in lower minutes.

[durden_tyler]

When i joined this league, i was under the assumption that it was head to head but had to bite the bullet since i committed already and discovering it was roto.

i still enjoy it a bit (any fantasy format is still fantasy for an addict. LOL) but head to head is just miles better from every angle-- enjoyment (knowing you can have that upset win any time of the year/whatever week), transaction wise (add/drops are more of a necessity if you want to be competitive) and general forced fandom (following teams/players you don't usually follow) due to fantasy purposes.

With Roto, you just leave it there for weeks (multiple weeks even), and since roto scoring is up against everyone else whatever we have in the standings in the first month (thus how good your roster/draft is) that's basically what will be seen until the end of season.

But hey, my whining could fall on deaf ears and that's okay since you guys have used roto since start of time, but know that since this is a dynasty, you might have a change of team owners more often than not.

[Qwigglez]

When i joined this league, i was under the assumption that it was head to head but had to bite the bullet since i committed already and discovering it was roto.

i still enjoy it a bit (any fantasy format is still fantasy for an addict. LOL) but head to head is just miles better from every angle-- enjoyment (knowing you can have that upset win any time of the year/whatever week), transaction wise (add/drops are more of a necessity if you want to be competitive) and general forced fandom (following teams/players you don't usually follow) due to fantasy purposes.

With Roto, you just leave it there for weeks (multiple weeks even), and since roto scoring is up against everyone else whatever we have in the standings in the first month (thus how good your roster/draft is) that's basically what will be seen until the end of season.

But hey, my whining could fall on deaf ears and that's okay since you guys have used roto since start of time, but know that since this is a dynasty, you might have a change of team owners more often than not.

I actually think it would be interesting to have both Roto and head-to-head for this dynasty league.

[sunskerr]

Nah yeah those are actually valid points about roto and h2h.

Ideally what we'd be able to do is a combo mode where roto is the manner in which teams qualify for the playoffs. Then the last 3 weeks is a playoff for the top 8 teams.

But people have suggested yahoo do this for years now but they don't give a crap since they're basically a zombie company run by shareholders now.

H2H is actually my preferred format too but as commish that's probably an impossible ask of the league (although if a majority wanted a switch I'd do it).

The things I like about h2h is
-makes niche stat specialists stronger (streaming and punting):all the 2.0 3pg guys on waivers you don't really care about can have their time to shine
-team building can be more specific (punting):punting categories/team building properly to maximize your players strengths and minimize weaknesses does take a lot of skill
-giannis actually becomes his real value (punting): in roto he is not an elite player
-its not over in the first month

I also have a theory that roto is ostensibly a glorified points league (points being most boring kind of league). The reason is that players value in roto are so, so closely tied to their overall value in their true ranking(8 or 9 cat standard deviation rankings like basketball monster) that you can play the consolidation/accumulation game and its rarely worth moving off/trading for better fits if you're losing overall value. The "fantasy points" equivalent in roto being their Z SCORE (z score matters way less in h2h because of punting). Nobody has ever mentioned this in FBB circles but it's something I realized maybe two or three years ago. I can elaborate a bit more on why this is very likely true if anyone wants.

But imo I am basically proving this to be true this year and Bigfoot/Qwigglez proved it last year and the year before too. If you want to see why this is true, look at basketball monsters 8-cat rankings and then compare it to the best teams/winning teams from the past years in our league. The best teams had the most best-ranked players. The key to winning is basically get as many good players as possible- fit matters only when you have an excess in a category.

[Qwigglez]

We can take a vote if you guys wanted to switch to H2H for next season. I'm not opposed. I also feel like roto is incredibly boring. H2H is much more dynamic and can create upsets throughout the season and playoffs.

[Slim Charless]

Trade like things occurring.

[sunskerr]

Vote to change a year early to the NBA lotto failed. 2026 lotto will still be tied to the NBA though.

We can take a vote if you guys wanted to switch to H2H for next season. I'm not opposed. I also feel like roto is incredibly boring. H2H is much more dynamic and can create upsets throughout the season and playoffs.

We can do that for sure. It's particularly brutal in an environment where punting isn't viable. I don't think my team can lose for the next few years since your Embiid is hurt and KD/Steph are aging.

Trade like things occurring.

Not gonna lie I don't see what this accomplishes for uraverage. But I am high on Amen Thompson whilst I also think Barrett has hit his ceiling.

[bwgood77]

Vote to change a year early to the NBA lotto failed. 2026 lotto will still be tied to the NBA though.

We can take a vote if you guys wanted to switch to H2H for next season. I'm not opposed. I also feel like roto is incredibly boring. H2H is much more dynamic and can create upsets throughout the season and playoffs.

We can do that for sure. It's particularly brutal in an environment where punting isn't viable. I don't think my team can lose for the next few years since your Embiid is hurt and KD/Steph are aging.

Trade like things occurring.

Not gonna lie I don't see what this accomplishes for uraverage. But I am high on Amen Thompson whilst I also think Barrett has hit his ceiling.

If we did h2h would it be h2h cat or just h2h matchup?

[sunskerr]

Vote to change a year early to the NBA lotto failed. 2026 lotto will still be tied to the NBA though.

We can take a vote if you guys wanted to switch to H2H for next season. I'm not opposed. I also feel like roto is incredibly boring. H2H is much more dynamic and can create upsets throughout the season and playoffs.

We can do that for sure. It's particularly brutal in an environment where punting isn't viable. I don't think my team can lose for the next few years since your Embiid is hurt and KD/Steph are aging.

Trade like things occurring.

Not gonna lie I don't see what this accomplishes for uraverage. But I am high on Amen Thompson whilst I also think Barrett has hit his ceiling.

If we did h2h would it be h2h cat or just h2h matchup?

H2H 9 cat standard. H2H points is worse than roto.

[bwgood77]

Vote to change a year early to the NBA lotto failed. 2026 lotto will still be tied to the NBA though.



We can do that for sure. It's particularly brutal in an environment where punting isn't viable. I don't think my team can lose for the next few years since your Embiid is hurt and KD/Steph are aging.



Not gonna lie I don't see what this accomplishes for uraverage. But I am high on Amen Thompson whilst I also think Barrett has hit his ceiling.

If we did h2h would it be h2h cat or just h2h matchup?

H2H 9 cat standard. H2H points is worse than roto.

Is standard where a team finishes 1-0 after a matchup even if they go 9-0 in cats or 5-4? And points is a point for each cat? I always liked cats better, because of course losing 5-4 isn't nearly as bad as losing 8-1.

[Slim Charless]

Vote to change a year early to the NBA lotto failed. 2026 lotto will still be tied to the NBA though.

We can take a vote if you guys wanted to switch to H2H for next season. I'm not opposed. I also feel like roto is incredibly boring. H2H is much more dynamic and can create upsets throughout the season and playoffs.

We can do that for sure. It's particularly brutal in an environment where punting isn't viable. I don't think my team can lose for the next few years since your Embiid is hurt and KD/Steph are aging.

Trade like things occurring.

Not gonna lie I don't see what this accomplishes for uraverage. But I am high on Amen Thompson whilst I also think Barrett has hit his ceiling.

I liked RJ alot but I'm hoping i just traded for the newest Sun. Via a Booker trade I'm praying that 1 of these Thompsons will be in Phoenix this time next yr