Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[giannis and 1]

Alright you got me googling who this dude is now.

Interested in why are you so enthusiastic about him as a target, and what you see us offering to entice the Trail Blazers?

On the face of it Banton seems like a young guy they’d invest in — albeit a tad older than ideal while they blow it up, and in need of a new contract:



https://ripcityproject.com/blazers-player-spot-jeopardy-now-secret-weapon

So 2 things jump out to me on each side of the ball. Defensively, he's quick and can slide, while also having a 9' standing reach. 3 stocks/36 too. Switchable to any position.

Offensively, he's a point forward, which would fit perfectly in our DHO heavy offense. He'd add much needed playmaking. In the past, he didn't shoot the 3 well enough, but now he's making 36% and if you watch him, he's not just talking the easy ones. 8 attempts/36.

Why do I think he's available? They're committed to others at both forward spots and at PG. He's getting just 16 mpg, despite the fact that they're a whopping 20 points/100 better with him on the floor.

He's just now coming off age, and Portland doesn't know what they. I'd guess 2- 2nds lands him, but right now we only have 1-2nd. We'd have his Early Bird rights if we traded for him, and he's eligible for the minimum salary exception.

The last 2 games really highlighted the need for a player who offers both length, and the ability to attack the basket.

Banton & Thybulle for Pat, Beauchamp, top 10 protected 2031 1st.

[Fotis St]

Lets fool Memphis ... They are too good and young and athletic .... Lets tell em that at the playoffs the game slows down and they NEED a slow assassin .... Tell em Horst , they need Khris ... i was checking how the rookies are playing... Wells is so good ... horst can you steal him ? There is Smart and Kennard there ...
Get Smart, Kennard for Khris ... We need Smart as a backup pg and Kennard can replace whoever '25 Khris is.

[ShootingtheJ]

Lets fool Memphis ... They are too good and young and athletic .... Lets tell em that at the playoffs the game slows down and they NEED a slow assassin .... Tell em Horst , they need Khris ... i was checking how the rookies are playing... Wells is so good ... horst can you steal him ? There is Smart and Kennard there ...
Get Smart, Kennard for Khris ... We need Smart as a backup pg and Kennard can replace whoever '25 Khris is.

Wow, your Middleton trades keep getting worse. The Bucks are dramatically better with Mids on three floor, so trade him for Smart, who's never made a team better.

[ShootingtheJ]

So 2 things jump out to me on each side of the ball. Defensively, he's quick and can slide, while also having a 9' standing reach. 3 stocks/36 too. Switchable to any position.

Offensively, he's a point forward, which would fit perfectly in our DHO heavy offense. He'd add much needed playmaking. In the past, he didn't shoot the 3 well enough, but now he's making 36% and if you watch him, he's not just talking the easy ones. 8 attempts/36.

Why do I think he's available? They're committed to others at both forward spots and at PG. He's getting just 16 mpg, despite the fact that they're a whopping 20 points/100 better with him on the floor.

He's just now coming off age, and Portland doesn't know what they. I'd guess 2- 2nds lands him, but right now we only have 1-2nd. We'd have his Early Bird rights if we traded for him, and he's eligible for the minimum salary exception.

The last 2 games really highlighted the need for a player who offers both length, and the ability to attack the basket.

Banton & Thybulle for Pat, Beauchamp, top 10 protected 2031 1st.

Thybulle makes more than Pat, so this isn't legal as a 2nd apron team. Thybulle is also injured.

[Fotis St]

Lets fool Memphis ... They are too good and young and athletic .... Lets tell em that at the playoffs the game slows down and they NEED a slow assassin .... Tell em Horst , they need Khris ... i was checking how the rookies are playing... Wells is so good ... horst can you steal him ? There is Smart and Kennard there ...
Get Smart, Kennard for Khris ... We need Smart as a backup pg and Kennard can replace whoever '25 Khris is.

Wow, your Middleton trades keep getting worse. The Bucks are dramatically better with Mids on three floor, so trade him for Smart, who's never made a team better.

Kennard is the "Khris" replacement in this deal. Smart is a supplement. What do you think about Kennard ?


You: "Wow, your Middleton trades keep getting worse"
Me: "Wow, Middleton keeps getting worse"

[ShootingtheJ]

Lets fool Memphis ... They are too good and young and athletic .... Lets tell em that at the playoffs the game slows down and they NEED a slow assassin .... Tell em Horst , they need Khris ... i was checking how the rookies are playing... Wells is so good ... horst can you steal him ? There is Smart and Kennard there ...
Get Smart, Kennard for Khris ... We need Smart as a backup pg and Kennard can replace whoever '25 Khris is.

Wow, your Middleton trades keep getting worse. The Bucks are dramatically better with Mids on three floor, so trade him for Smart, who's never made a team better.

Kennard is the "Khris" replacement in this deal. Smart is a supplement. What do you think about Kennard ?


You: "Wow, your Middleton trades keep getting worse"
Me: "Wow, Middleton keeps getting worse"

What is he worse at? His per 36 numbers are as good as they've been at any time of his career, accept assists, which have improved to elite. His mid range shooting numbers are down, but he lead the league in that stat a year ago, so pretty believable he'll get rolling there too. He's killing it from 3, and defending well.

[Ron Swanson]

Guys who supposedly were going for firsts being traded for seconds is a good sign for the value of our 2031 first.

Bad sign for what picks Bobby could yield though if we need to liquidate him in a multi-team deal.

Yes and no. That pick holds value regardless, but the Nets also preferred multiple seconds over basically a guaranteed 1st round pick (Top-17 protected 2025 Memphis 1st). If anything this tells me that you can still leverage a real 1st round pick out of Bobby. He's 2-years younger, on a cheaper contract, and more productive than DFS.

[raferfenix]

If anything this tells me that you can still leverage a real 1st round pick out of Bobby. He's 2-years younger, on a cheaper contract, and more productive than DFS.

Hope you’re right — saw something from Marc Stein about how the Nets believed the Memphis first might never convey due to the protections too.

We also now know the Grizzlies are willing to deal that pick fwiw.

Do we think Memphis might be a potential Bobby destination, or nah?

And would we want to take on John Konchar? Brooklyn didn’t was also part of their calculus.

[raferfenix]

Speaking of the Grizzlies, I’m remembering posts here broaching Santi Aldama as a target.

Can he play defense / switch? Is he athletic?

Looks like he might be available, though if Memphis is wary of extending Aldama they might not want to pay Bobby either in which case it’d be a different kind of scenario:

“Santi Aldama is someone that I think will be available in Memphis for the right price,” Fischer recently reported on a Bleacher Report livestream.

“His salary falls under that KJ Martin tradeable salary at $7.9 million. He didn’t come to a rookie extension this fall. I talked to someone today that said, ‘Keep your eye out on Santi Aldama on the trade market.’

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-insider-suggests-grizzlies-vet-as-potential-trade-target-for-76ers/ar-AA1wi3gx

[-Jragon-]

Wow, your Middleton trades keep getting worse. The Bucks are dramatically better with Mids on three floor, so trade him for Smart, who's never made a team better.

Kennard is the "Khris" replacement in this deal. Smart is a supplement. What do you think about Kennard ?


You: "Wow, your Middleton trades keep getting worse"
Me: "Wow, Middleton keeps getting worse"

What is he worse at? His per 36 numbers are as good as they've been at any time of his career, accept assists, which have improved to elite. His mid range shooting numbers are down, but he lead the league in that stat a year ago, so pretty believable he'll get rolling there too. He's killing it from 3, and defending well.

KM also thinks that Dame Time is code for -- Time to play keep away from Dame and lose the game.... we instantly get better when he sits, look at that Cup championship game.. you forgot already?

[-Jragon-]

Bucks need a guy who can handle the ball, playmake, and defend. The only skill Thomas has is hitting mid range jumpers. He'll be shut down versus good defenders.

Dame and Giannis can get theirs unless they are tripled. Playing in and out with GA is it's own play. We need to surround them with 3 and D ... if they are being run at, fake the 3 and take like 1 dribble and kick it out which is pretty basic -- we don't need another "playmaker" that's keeping the ball out of Dame/GA hands. Get Bev back -- someone who knows that they are a roll player.

[ShootingtheJ]

Kennard is the "Khris" replacement in this deal. Smart is a supplement. What do you think about Kennard ?


You: "Wow, your Middleton trades keep getting worse"
Me: "Wow, Middleton keeps getting worse"

What is he worse at? His per 36 numbers are as good as they've been at any time of his career, accept assists, which have improved to elite. His mid range shooting numbers are down, but he lead the league in that stat a year ago, so pretty believable he'll get rolling there too. He's killing it from 3, and defending well.

KM also things that Dame Time is code for -- Time to play keep away from Dame and lose the game.... we instantly get better when he sits, look at that Cup championship game.. you forgot already?

Dame couldn't get open against face guarding, so Middleton had to shoulder the entire load against the Bulls.

The Bucks are 6 points/100 better when Dame sits this year, and 9 points/100 better when Khris plays. Nice try though.

[ShootingtheJ]

Bucks need a guy who can handle the ball, playmake, and defend. The only skill Thomas has is hitting mid range jumpers. He'll be shut down versus good defenders.

Dame and Giannis can get theirs unless they are tripled. Playing in and out with GA is it's own play. We need to surround them with 3 and D ... if they are being run at, fake the 3 and take like 1 dribble and kick it out which is pretty basic -- we don't need another "playmaker" that's keeping the ball out of Dame/GA hands. Get Bev back -- someone who knows that they are a roll player.

Then explain why we're so much better when Khris plays, and we're so bad with Dame on the floor?

[-Jragon-]

What is he worse at? His per 36 numbers are as good as they've been at any time of his career, accept assists, which have improved to elite. His mid range shooting numbers are down, but he lead the league in that stat a year ago, so pretty believable he'll get rolling there too. He's killing it from 3, and defending well.

KM also things that Dame Time is code for -- Time to play keep away from Dame and lose the game.... we instantly get better when he sits, look at that Cup championship game.. you forgot already?

Dame couldn't get open against face guarding, so Middleton had to shoulder the entire load against the Bulls.

The Bucks are 6 points/100 better when Dame sits this year, and 9 points/100 better when Khris plays. Nice try though.

These numbers are skewed because it includes the early year team slump. There are ALOT more complex factors that led to the poor start than Dame -- coaches and role players didn't seem to be able to function Pat and Brook were brick machines. KM came in when we were rolling.

Nice try cherry picking though. I know I used the Cup game (win with Dame no KM) and the next game after that (loss with KM no Dame) as an example of how we look and fair vs fast young teams and I still think that's valid. Dame and GA are matchup proof but everyone else should be used more or less in certain situations. Example, maybe KM and Brook would sit more vs fast teams and let's use KM at the end of the 3rd and start of the 4th but have him out of the closing lineup. Him getting ripped at the end of games and flopping for a foul while the other team dunks the other way is meme worthy and has been for a few years now. If you think we need better closing type guys then trade KM and get some defenders/shooters. Get Bev in case GTJ fades back away.

[buckboy]

Brooklyn’s firesale for peanuts makes me think that Pat + Marjon + 2031 SRP for Thomas could be a real thing.

It’s a no brainer.

For Brooklyn

[Ron Swanson]

Not exactly a coincidence that we've been an absolute dog **** offense (27th) in the 4-game stretch where Dame was sick. All the lineup data is cherry-picking right now because we've only had *checks notes* 47 total minutes of these dudes all playing together. But you shouldn't need lineup data to know what the obvious needs of this team are right now, because they're the same as last year right around this time (backup PG, versatile defensive forward).

I've seen enough to believe that converting Rollins to a standard contract helps address the former, but the latter still needs to be addressed in the trade market. While Prince still gets way too much flak for being a perfectly solid role-player, I have less faith in him being the answer to the latter than I did just a couple months ago.

[ShootingtheJ]

Not exactly a coincidence that we've been an absolute dog **** offense (27th) in the 4-game stretch where Dame was sick. All the lineup data is cherry-picking right now because we've only had *checks notes* 47 total minutes of these dudes all playing together. But you shouldn't need lineup data to know what the obvious needs of this team are right now, because they're the same as last year right around this time (backup PG, versatile defensive forward).

I've seen enough to believe that converting Rollins to a standard contract helps address the former, but the latter still needs to be addressed in the trade market. While Prince still gets way too much flak for being a perfectly solid role-player, I have less faith in him being the answer to the latter than I did just a couple months ago.

Rollins really struggles doing PG things, his best minutes were playing SG next to Dame. Like you said, the offense really struggled in his minutes at PG, though Giannis was missing for some of that too, so difficult to contextualize. Rollins won't be converted anytime soon because of the shoulder injury.

The PG minutes can just be absorbed by not playing a PG, but that idea makes the versatile forward even more important. Middleton at PG minutes have been awesome.

Totally agree that we still need that versatile forward.

[ShootingtheJ]

KM also things that Dame Time is code for -- Time to play keep away from Dame and lose the game.... we instantly get better when he sits, look at that Cup championship game.. you forgot already?

Dame couldn't get open against face guarding, so Middleton had to shoulder the entire load against the Bulls.

The Bucks are 6 points/100 better when Dame sits this year, and 9 points/100 better when Khris plays. Nice try though.

These numbers are skewed because it includes the early year team slump. There are ALOT more complex factors that led to the poor start than Dame -- coaches and role players didn't seem to be able to function Pat and Brook were brick machines. KM came in when we were rolling.

Nice try cherry picking though. I know I used the Cup game (win with Dame no KM) and the next game after that (loss with KM no Dame) as an example of how we look and fair vs fast young teams and I still think that's valid. Dame and GA are matchup proof but everyone else should be used more or less in certain situations. Example, maybe KM and Brook would sit more vs fast teams and let's use KM at the end of the 3rd and start of the 4th but have him out of the closing lineup. Him getting ripped at the end of games and flopping for a foul while the other team dunks the other way is meme worthy and has been for a few years now. If you think we need better closing type guys then trade KM and get some defenders/shooters. Get Bev in case GTJ fades back away.

Trade Middleton for a guy that does what he does, but less? Nah. Keep Middleton, Dame can start playing defense, and we'll roll.

[raferfenix]

So many teams need versatile forwards and there are very few who might be available for the assets we have and even fewer for contracts we could easily trade.

Putting fit aside — if we aren’t putting one of Brook / Khris / Dame into the deal I’m not sure how we could even pick up someone with a bigger contract like Cam Johnson / Kuzma / Deandre Hunter / Bruce Brown / Jerami Grant / Ingram.

Kuminga / Keegan Murray / Herb Jones have smaller contracts but may not be available at all much less for what we have to deal.

Maybe Horst gets creative and pulls a diamond in the rough like Delano Banton.

Otherwise, who am I forgetting that we might realistically be going after?

[JEIS]

It would be nice to get Claxton from the Nets. Would get a switchable center to help against the Celtics.