Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

[9 and 20]

Lakers get DFS. So no Kuzma trade with them, and what do they have left if they want JV? A handful of #55 picks?

[dckingsfan]

Brooklyn is certainly active - you gotta give them that. Two quick trades give them more draft capital and financial flexibility.

Lakers trade D'Angelo Russell, second-round picks (2027, 2030, 2031) to Nets for Dorian Finney-Smith, Shake Milton.

[dckingsfan]

I think this also sets the ceiling for 2nd round picks for Kuz, Brogdon, Holmes, Bagley and Jonas?

[gambitx777]

Never mind lol I made a big giant 4 team that just got exploded lol haha.

[nate33]

I think this also sets the ceiling for 2nd round picks for Kuz, Brogdon, Holmes, Bagley and Jonas?

I'm not sure if this deal sets much of a standard. D'Angelo Russell wasn't valueless in the transaction. With Brooklyn already having traded Schroeder, they really needed a PG and Russell is a legit starter at the position.

I'd say, talentwise, Russell for DFS is pretty even, particularly after factoring DFS's poor injury history lately. That's why the picks included were pretty minor.

That said, I'm confident that Bagley and Holmes have no trade value whatsoever. And I don't think Kuzma and JV are worth much more than SRP's. However, if Brogdon can stay healthy for the entire month of January, it's possible he could be worth a heavily protected FRP if we absorb a bad contract in the process. Something like Brogdon for Vanderbilt + Vincent + Lakers top 10 protected 2029 pick could make sense. The Lakers land a real playoff-caliber guard while clearing two bad contracts off the books.

[TGW]

Kuzma for Heurter, Lyles, and a SRP is probably the best they could get for Kuzma

[tontoz]

I'd trade Kuzma for a pizza at this point. Bilal looks so much better without Kuzma.

[dckingsfan]

I think this also sets the ceiling for 2nd round picks for Kuz, Brogdon, Holmes, Bagley and Jonas?

I'm not sure if this deal sets much of a standard. D'Angelo Russell wasn't valueless in the transaction. With Brooklyn already having traded Schroeder, they really needed a PG and Russell is a legit starter at the position.

I'd say, talentwise, Russell for DFS is pretty even, particularly after factoring DFS's poor injury history lately. That's why the picks included were pretty minor.

That said, I'm confident that Bagley and Holmes have no trade value whatsoever. And I don't think Kuzma and JV are worth much more than SRP's. However, if Brogdon can stay healthy for the entire month of January, it's possible he could be worth a heavily protected FRP if we absorb a bad contract in the process. Something like Brogdon for Vanderbilt + Vincent + Lakers top 10 protected 2029 pick could make sense. The Lakers land a real playoff-caliber guard while clearing two bad contracts off the books.

I am going to disagree with you as to why Brooklyn made the trade. They are tanking hard and wanted an expiring contract, not a PG.

And this season at least DFS is playing really well and hitting his 3-point shots and Russell, not so much.

That is a good trade proposal with the Lakers - would you do it if you get SRPs? The Lakers thus far have not been willing to give up their FRPs. And do you think Vanderbilt ever gets over his feet and knee injuries. I am skeptical at best, I guess that is why you are saying it needs to be a FRP?

Given that Schröder and Finney-Smith were traded for second-round compensation, teams pursuing a first-round pick in exchange for their role-player trade candidates might have trouble getting the return they’re seeking, Stein notes, pointing to Bulls center Nikola Vucevic and Wizards forward Kyle Kuzma as a couple examples. Valanciunas, Brogdon, Jazz guard Jordan Clarkson, and Raptors teammates Kelly Olynyk and Bruce Brown are a few of the players believed to be available for second-round picks, Stein adds.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/12/trade-rumors-grizzlies-nets-c-johnson-wizards-lakers.html

[dckingsfan]

Kuzma for Heurter, Lyles, and a SRP is probably the best they could get for Kuzma

I wonder if Sac becomes sellers now. They are quickly accelerating out of the play-in, fired their coach and Fox seems set to not resign. Not sure how the Wizards would benefit...

I could see Fox traded to SA for for FRPs example and trade Sabonis for FRPs and start the rebuild. They are in a pretty bad place.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Kuzma for Heurter, Lyles, and a SRP is probably the best they could get for Kuzma

I like this one a lot, even without the pick.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Kuzma for Heurter, Lyles, and a SRP is probably the best they could get for Kuzma

I wonder if Sac becomes sellers now. They are quickly accelerating out of the play-in, fired their coach and Fox seems set to not resign. Not sure how the Wizards would benefit...

I could see Fox traded to SA for for FRPs example and trade Sabonis for FRPs and start the rebuild. They are in a pretty bad place.

Lyles has an $8M expiring deal. It frees cap room for free agency.

Huerter makes $6M less than Kuzma and has one less year on his contract. Red Rocket is a quality young veteran SG/SF. He went to Maryland.

[dckingsfan]

Kuzma for Heurter, Lyles, and a SRP is probably the best they could get for Kuzma

I wonder if Sac becomes sellers now. They are quickly accelerating out of the play-in, fired their coach and Fox seems set to not resign. Not sure how the Wizards would benefit...

I could see Fox traded to SA for for FRPs example and trade Sabonis for FRPs and start the rebuild. They are in a pretty bad place.

Lyles has an $8M expiring deal. It frees cap room for free agency.

Huerter makes $6M less than Kuzma and has one less year on his contract. Red Rocket is a quality young veteran SG/SF. He went to Maryland.

Yeah but... Sac isn't going to want Kuzma if they are reloading.

It is an amazingly fantastic deal for the Wizards though. Both Heurter and Lyles are better that Kuzma at this point (IMO) and we get SRPs as well.

I won't hold my breath on this one

[Frichuela]

Yep. At this point, we are likely to be stuck with fat Kuz.

Let’s see how he plays tonite…

[gambitx777]

LAC get Kuz
Wiz get top 10 protected 2030 first plus 2 seconds. Bones, coffeey and Tucker.

Bones might be able to be rehabbed into a cheap asset going forward.

The clippers are definitely lacking PF depth and rebounding. All of which kux helps with.

GS gets JV
Wiz get: kuminga and podzminski (spelled wrong) . 2 seconds from Atlanta and the protections on the pick they owe is dropped to top 5.

JK and Pod have definitely fallen out of trust in GS they don't value them and JK is gone no matter what or they would have paid him.

JV does a lot for GS team size up front is something they have been missing for years.



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[Rafael122]

The same trade Memphis offered for DFS, I would do for Kuzma. Konchar/Kennard/Small contract/Protected FRP for Kuzma.

[trast66]

I think this also sets the ceiling for 2nd round picks for Kuz, Brogdon, Holmes, Bagley and Jonas?

I'm not sure if this deal sets much of a standard. D'Angelo Russell wasn't valueless in the transaction. With Brooklyn already having traded Schroeder, they really needed a PG and Russell is a legit starter at the position.

I'd say, talentwise, Russell for DFS is pretty even, particularly after factoring DFS's poor injury history lately. That's why the picks included were pretty minor.

That said, I'm confident that Bagley and Holmes have no trade value whatsoever. And I don't think Kuzma and JV are worth much more than SRP's. However, if Brogdon can stay healthy for the entire month of January, it's possible he could be worth a heavily protected FRP if we absorb a bad contract in the process. Something like Brogdon for Vanderbilt + Vincent + Lakers top 10 protected 2029 pick could make sense. The Lakers land a real playoff-caliber guard while clearing two bad contracts off the books.

I am going to disagree with you as to why Brooklyn made the trade. They are tanking hard and wanted an expiring contract, not a PG.

And this season at least DFS is playing really well and hitting his 3-point shots and Russell, not so much.

That is a good trade proposal with the Lakers - would you do it if you get SRPs? The Lakers thus far have not been willing to give up their FRPs. And do you think Vanderbilt ever gets over his feet and knee injuries. I am skeptical at best, I guess that is why you are saying it needs to be a FRP?

Given that Schröder and Finney-Smith were traded for second-round compensation, teams pursuing a first-round pick in exchange for their role-player trade candidates might have trouble getting the return they’re seeking, Stein notes, pointing to Bulls center Nikola Vucevic and Wizards forward Kyle Kuzma as a couple examples. Valanciunas, Brogdon, Jazz guard Jordan Clarkson, and Raptors teammates Kelly Olynyk and Bruce Brown are a few of the players believed to be available for second-round picks, Stein adds.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/12/trade-rumors-grizzlies-nets-c-johnson-wizards-lakers.html

I’m sure the Nets would like to trade Russell for a 2nd and an expiring. If he gets hot in January that’s a possibility.

[gambitx777]

LAC get Kuz
Wiz get top 10 protected 2030 first plus 2 seconds. Bones, coffeey and Tucker.

Bones might be able to be rehabbed into a cheap asset going forward.

The clippers are definitely lacking PF depth and rebounding. All of which kux helps with.

GS gets JV
Wiz get: kuminga and podzminski (spelled wrong) . 2 seconds from Atlanta and the protections on the pick they owe is dropped to top 5.

JK and Pod have definitely fallen out of trust in GS they don't value them and JK is gone no matter what or they would have paid him.

JV does a lot for GS team size up front is something they have been missing for years.



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Another trade I thought of

LAL : Brogdon

Wiz get: Vincent, Christie, wood, JHS, reddish. 2 2025 seconds, 2029 top ten protected first.

The Lakers really need a starting caliber PG. So spending some capital on what could be labeona last run might happen.

Vincent, wood, JHS Reddish are replaceable off the street. So they won't miss them.

Christie while over paid is only 21. He's had a decent last couple months too.
JHS is 21 maybe he can be rehabbed
You cut reddish and wood and work a buy out with Vincent or don't.

So if we did all three of these trades we would turn

Kuz, JV, and Brogdon.
Into
Kuminga, podziemski, bones, JHS, Christie, 6 seconds, 2 firsts, and a lowered protection. Plus some dead money 1 year deals we cut and a gave Vincent buy out. That's not too bad.


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[nate33]

GS gets JV
Wiz get: kuminga and podzminski (spelled wrong) . 2 seconds from Atlanta and the protections on the pick they owe is dropped to top 5.

This is one of the most unrealistic trades I've even seen on RealGM. You need to step away from the Trade Checker.

[nate33]

LAL : Brogdon

Wiz get: Vincent, Christie, wood, JHS, reddish. 2 2025 seconds, 2029 top ten protected first.

The Lakers really need a starting caliber PG. So spending some capital on what could be labeona last run might happen.

Vincent, wood, JHS Reddish are replaceable off the street. So they won't miss them.

5 for 1 trades are impractical. We would first have to cut a bunch of guys (and their guaranteed contracts) to make roster room to absorb the incoming players. And I don't think the Lakers so easily part with Christie.

If we want a FRP out of the Lakers, I think we're going to have to eat Vanderbilt's contract. So it would be Brogdon and Gill for Vanderbilt, Vincent and Wood. (The Gill for Wood swap is necessary to ensure the Lakers are shaving salary in the transaction to avoid 2nd Apron problems.)

[NW]

GS gets JV
Wiz get: kuminga and podzminski (spelled wrong) . 2 seconds from Atlanta and the protections on the pick they owe is dropped to top 5.

This is one of the most unrealistic trades I've even seen on RealGM. You need to step away from the Trade Checker.

As a Warriors fan, bless you