The official fire Chris Finch thread

[shangrila]

Great video on why a lot of our issues are on Finch’s preferred style of “flow” offense, and why it’s fixable.

Finch needs to figure this out asap.

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https://youtu.be/pxNvEAuXFMg?si=O7HAsSXqtu6puZO4

And herein lies the issue.

Finch's preferred style has failed for, what, the 4th year in a row? At some point it needs to stop. An unstructured offence can work if you have someone like Jokic on the roster. But outside of that it's a fantasy.

I also despise the way he doesn't trust young players. Minott and Rob deserve minutes but they won't get them because Finch holds them to a higher standard than the vets. It's so frustrating watching someone like Jaylen Wells playing legitimate minutes for a playoff team while our guys flounder on the bench.

Personally, I think the reason why Finch doesn't want to run a structured offense is because he's lazy. He'd rather run his flow offense into the ground because it's less work for him. It's the only reason I can think of why he continues to be stubborn about it.

I disagree.

In theory it's a great system. You can't gameplan for an offence that is built on the fly so it's potentially unstoppable. But it requires personnel that we don't have and which we aren't building around (i.e. Ant).

Finch is the definition of insane at this point; repeating the same action expecting a different result.

[younggunsmn]

Honestly I've always hated Finch's offense.

Good coaches will design their offense around the strengths of their most talented players and put the role players in a position to succeed by minimizing what they don't do well.

Finch's offense seems to do the opposite of that.
It looked okay before the Gobert trade because we didnt have a giant skillless black hole eating up so much floor space.
But those teams also melted down spectacularly in crunch time when the games counted because of the lack of structure and because we had no bread and butter things to go to when it mattered or to settle things down when the wheels started flying off.

Even an incredibly seasoned guy like Mike looks stupid a lot this year trying to make plays in this trainwreck of a scheme.

[Klomp]

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[m2002brian]

Honestly I've always hated Finch's offense.

Good coaches will design their offense around the strengths of their most talented players and put the role players in a position to succeed by minimizing what they don't do well.

Finch's offense seems to do the opposite of that.
It looked okay before the Gobert trade because we didnt have a giant skillless black hole eating up so much floor space.
But those teams also melted down spectacularly in crunch time when the games counted because of the lack of structure and because we had no bread and butter things to go to when it mattered or to settle things down when the wheels started flying off.

Even an incredibly seasoned guy like Mike looks stupid a lot this year trying to make plays in this trainwreck of a scheme.

You’re being a little generous even calling it an offense. It’s just offensive.

Part of what makes a system so valuable is not just having plays we can run in tight situation, it’s also valuable to players like Edwards and Reid and other whom will be around a long time. Eventually they can run the offense in their sleep and know all the counters to the defense. The flow offense is just the Harden offense from Houston, and that was never going to be a championship level offense.

[younggunsmn]

Every single team we play know Ant wants to attack the basket from the slot.
And Finch runs sets that make it very very hard for Ant to do that effectively.

[Loaf_of_bread]

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Yeah, we need to pull the trigger as well. Good on them.

[TwolvesFanRome]

I don't understand why Dilly can't play a few minutes...

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I don't understand why Dilly can't play a few minutes...

Probably because Dilly got awful +/- on the last games he play. But i agree with you that when Mike is as bad as tonight, he would deserve to have some mins.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I find at least a positive point on Finch coaching tonight. He let the hot players on the field at clutch time, specially NAZ who was there with 5 fouls.

[shrink]

Mike Brown was NBA Coach of the Year in 2023, but a five game losing streak (one gimmee after Fox made a boneheaded play vs DET!) finally got him fired. Monte Williams was COY in 2022 in PHX, and was fired the next season. Finch had a real shot to be COY last year (ended 3rd), but that doesn’t protect you if the owner thinks you have lost the locker room.

It’s very easy for fans to think, “Well if Finch had just <insert my idea> and we would win!” We don’t know that. But it is also easy for owners to think the same way. I doubt Finch is on any hot seat, but if the owner think he lost the locker room because Ant so often goes rogue, who knows?

[TimberKat]

Mike Brown was NBA Coach of the Year in 2023, but a five game losing streak (one gimmee after Fox made a boneheaded play vs DET!) finally got him fired. Monte Williams was COY in 2022 in PHX, and was fired the next season. Finch had a real shot to be COY last year (ended 3rd), but that doesn’t protect you if the owner thinks you have lost the locker room.

It’s very easy for fans to think, “Well if Finch had just <insert my idea> and we would win!” We don’t know that. But it is also easy for owners to think the same way. I doubt Finch is on any hot seat, but if the owner think he lost the locker room because Ant so often goes rogue, who knows?

Ironically, Billups is still the head coach of Portland. I complained a lot about Finch this year. However, judge coaches are way harder than players in my opinion because we don't know what happens in the locker room. Could you really just put Ant on the bench if he go rogue? That maybe the fastest way to get you fired.

[Klomp]

I doubt Finch is on any hot seat, but if the owner think he lost the locker room because Ant so often goes rogue, who knows?

To me, that's just Ant being 23 years old. Sure he needs to still grow up, but this is nothing new.

[Klomp]

Something to chew on...

A critical flaw at times for Finch is his belief in the players that they can figure it out. He is not a micro-manager. I think this is why you see these gaps between timeouts where other coaches might take them. However, I think this is one way that he has earned the label of being a players' coach. He trusts the players.

This might be one area where the team has missed Kyle Anderson (and even Jordan McLaughlin) the most. These are guys who he trusted completely to get the ball where it needed to be when the other team was starting to go on a run. This is why Mike Conley has been so critical for most of his time here.

[Loaf_of_bread]

Let's keep doing the same and expect a different result.

[winforlose]

Let's keep doing the same and expect a different result.

Worse, let’s not play TSJ or Miller when you know it’s over.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

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Let's keep doing the same and expect a different result.

Agree and disagree ! I think Finch go full offense in the 3rd and we score 38 but concede 41.... then in the 4th , he put back some players willing to play defense and we win the quarter and Detroit score only 23.
if Finch think we have a chance to win, just by letting ANT taking all the score and playing no defense, he should be fired immediately.

Playing this way will give a good pick to the Jazz

[thinktank]

Fire Connelly first.

The KAT deal was atrocious.

[winforlose]

Fire Connelly first.

The KAT deal was atrocious.

He is leaving anyway. Probably sabotaged us as part of the deal to get his new job. That’s why he pushed it back a year and made such unbelievably bad moves.

[thinktank]

Fire Connelly first.

The KAT deal was atrocious.

He is leaving anyway. Probably sabotaged us as part of the deal to get his new job. That’s why he pushed it back a year and made such unbelievably bad moves.

My guess is Taylor didn’t want to pay tax and Connelly is basically covering for him.

[winforlose]

Fire Connelly first.

The KAT deal was atrocious.

He is leaving anyway. Probably sabotaged us as part of the deal to get his new job. That’s why he pushed it back a year and made such unbelievably bad moves.

My guess is Taylor didn’t want to pay tax and Connelly is basically covering for him.

The whole point of Taylor staying in power is to pay the tax and enjoy a winner. What sense does is make to keep the team, trade KAT ridiculously below his value, sign bad players who are not rotation worthy, trade even more of our future for a project (a move we needed to make because we didn’t trade Kyle for Tyus last season when we had the ****ing chance,) and now pay over 100 million (probably more,) in tax for a team that even if it makes the playoffs (via the play in,) is looking like an easy out. This take makes more sense from the prospective of new management if TC thinks they win and want to dump salary.