I have seen enough!

[bluerap23]

IQ he has been injured but I already seen enough from him. there is nothing he does that cant be filled by davion, shead, or walter.

Yeah. One of the worst takes I’ve seen on this board in a long time.

[ConSarnit]

Coaches have to be respected by the players, but they have to give players a reason to continue to give that respect or it fades away overtime. It may be that Darko is just happy to have this chance - but Nick Nurse was a good coach, the players Masai brought us in then were quality guys had character- we’ve gotten away from the wrong things - post Tampa.

I hope they give great thought to who they actually need to keep around and who they need to move off off

It's a bit early to weigh on Darko yet but Nurse took over one of the most talented rosters in league history in 2018-2019 with arguably the best player in the league at the time in Kawhi and incredible vets/leaders like Lowry, Green, Ibaka and Gasol.

Last year our team won 25 games with Nurse and that was despite having Siakam and OG for the first half of the season.

Our team this year is in a complete rebuild and has been hammered by injuries.

I just don't know what people expect from this team. At our best, with full health, we are probably a 37 win team. We have been killed by injury and as such our record sucks.

Only one NBA team has played 4 different rookies 300+ minutes: the Toronto Raptors. Two teams have played 3 rookies 300+ minutes: WAS and UTA. If you are forced to play multiple rookies rotation minutes your team is going to suck. And it's not like we are easing off playing vets in order to let rookies play. Barnes, RJ, Poeltl, Dick and Agbaji all play 30+ mpg.

We are playing more rookies than anyone in the NBA and on top of that most of our rookies are 2nd rounders (or even undrafted in Battle's case). Of course our team is going to suck.

[manjusaka]

I want to see the offense run through gradey that is what a shooting guards job is. more screens off ball play please.

We need a athletic, rim running, defensive anchor at center!!! how many years in a row do I have to say this?

grindy

We need more guys who can set good screens before that happens.

Although not athletic, Peoltl is a rim running defensive center who can set good screens before. When SB has the ball to run the offence, Peoltl is on top to pnr with Scottie. Who is capable setting good offball screens for Gradey?

[Scase]

Yes, you're all right, Darko is bad, it's the only reason we're in our current predicament. If not for him and his high school coaching we'd be 1st in the east, definitely not cause we are intentionally tanking and a bad team. We should fire him and just get a good coach so we can get another chip.

Put down the egg nog.

[Naysorn]

Yes, you're all right, Darko is bad, it's the only reason we're in our current predicament. If not for him and his high school coaching we'd be 1st in the east, definitely not cause we are intentionally tanking and a bad team. We should fire him and just get a good coach so we can get another chip.

Put down the egg nog.

lol yeah kinda crazy talk but ur always gonna get "fire the coach" even when its the best teams in the league

[JB7]

We are almost at all star break and trade deadline around the corner, so I can make some evaluations about the players and direction of the team.

trades or players who are not part of the future

IQ he has been injured but I already seen enough from him. there is nothing he does that cant be filled by davion, shead, or walter. at this stage of our rebuild, I would rather a three headed monster at point IQ is not elite at anything.

RJ barrett I listen to one of the podcast today and I heard someone stay the RJ/barnes relationship coexist together it is not symbiotic. RJ offense where he wiggles to the rim is good but it can be shut down easily. if we keep him he is a 6 man with that horrendous defense.

bruce brown is a trade I would rather see battle play.

its time to get something for chris

now lets talk about line ups. ect ect.
barnes, gradey, battle need more playing time together barnes needs to develop the ability to score in a phone booth. we have shooters to space the court.

I want to see the offense run through gradey that is what a shooting guards job is. more screens off ball play please.

We need a athletic, rim running, defensive anchor at center!!! how many years in a row do I have to say this?

grindy

What I am trying to figure out is why everybody on this board is so intensely focused on the Raps this season. They are clearly tanking, so this is just a throw away season, where you hope it doesn't have any long term implications.

The messaging from Masai, Darko and even Yak before the season began (about a development season), backed up by what they have been doing on the court, it is obvious they are tanking this whole season. When you play you 13th, 14th and 15th players decent minutes in the first game of the season, which also happens to be a home game, the message is very clear.

Honestly, I have not really watched any games this season after that first game. It is not worth anyone's time and effort (or concern). Just tune back in at lottery time.

This is a season to just watch some highlights of the younger players, and discuss other teams that are actually trying to compete.

[sidsid]

Coaches have to be respected by the players, but they have to give players a reason to continue to give that respect or it fades away overtime. It may be that Darko is just happy to have this chance - but Nick Nurse was a good coach, the players Masai brought us in then were quality guys had character- we’ve gotten away from the wrong things - post Tampa.

I hope they give great thought to who they actually need to keep around and who they need to move off off

It's a bit early to weigh on Darko yet but Nurse took over one of the most talented rosters in league history in 2018-2019 with arguably the best player in the league at the time in Kawhi and incredible vets/leaders like Lowry, Green, Ibaka and Gasol.

Last year our team won 25 games with Nurse and that was despite having Siakam and OG for the first half of the season.

Our team this year is in a complete rebuild and has been hammered by injuries.

I just don't know what people expect from this team. At our best, with full health, we are probably a 37 win team. We have been killed by injury and as such our record sucks.

Only one NBA team has played 4 different rookies 300+ minutes: the Toronto Raptors. Two teams have played 3 rookies 300+ minutes: WAS and UTA. If you are forced to play multiple rookies rotation minutes your team is going to suck. And it's not like we are easing off playing vets in order to let rookies play. Barnes, RJ, Poeltl, Dick and Agbaji all play 30+ mpg.

We are playing more rookies than anyone in the NBA and on top of that most of our rookies are 2nd rounders (or even undrafted in Battle's case). Of course our team is going to suck.

Nurse was in a fight for his life with the Wizards this year at the bottom of the standings, and that's with some early unexpected rookie of the year style play thrown in. He's only been able to claw back from the gutter with his entire stacked contender back healthy.

Not sure what fans expect from the staff that doesn't play the games, but ATOs and some late game decisions aside, all I care about is what schemes they put in during a development phase.

[Potential]

ur underrating the hell out of IQ. He's a guy that can heat up quickly and change a game scoring the basketball, he competes and has quick feet on defense and can pass the ball. You may need more size for a championship PG but any contender would want quick on their team

[ontnut]

[mihaic]

if rj was as good as you think he is scottie and RJ should make us at the very least a .500 team

Sadly, we can say the same thing about Scottie.

[Basketball_Jones]

I mean, I said already but Scottie looks more like a number 3 guy these days. That would indicate multiple tank years to really shape this team. I’m not sure on IQ yet but I do like him. However the odds of him being a go to scorer type given his size/athleticism is slim. He has enough tools to be better than RJ and Scottie at it though, so we can’t write him off.

[PushDaRock]

Yes, you're all right, Darko is bad, it's the only reason we're in our current predicament. If not for him and his high school coaching we'd be 1st in the east, definitely not cause we are intentionally tanking and a bad team. We should fire him and just get a good coach so we can get another chip.

Put down the egg nog.

Finally a reasonable post from you, didn't think it was possible.

[EG73]

The sum of minutes played during a game (without overtime) for a team is of course 240min.
I did the sum of mpg for all Raptors players, and it’s about 363 minutes. One weird stat to illustrate the number of games missed by many different players.

[WaltFrazier]

Merge this thread with the one about hiring Jordi if he gets fired.

[deeps6x]

you all will soon learn, I am right about 80% of the time on these matters.

IQ is not a future piece, RJ is derozan lite, you can either live with his weaknesses and take him out when his defence is too much to bare or have him come off the bench as a change up.

I haven't looked at stats, but it seems to me that RJ is much better then DD was at the same age.

Anyone want to compare the stats?

[Tripod]

Most know Scottie is not a #1. RJ is not an #1. IQ Is not a #1. Obviously if we draft that #1, then on any given day having any of the 3 above be you #2 is pretty good...but what is even better is one of them is your #4. That's pretty good for your depth at the top.

Then add in Gradey, Yak, Ochai and JKW, then all the sudden those guys being your 5-8 scorers again is pretty good depth.

Let's see if we can draft that real #1 guy or if at some point, we consolidate for upgrades.

But this year was always about development over wins. And yes the past few games have gotten ugly but with injuries and illness going thru the team, these things happen. No need to over react at all. Part of the process.

[Grindhouse]

Most know Scottie is not a #1. RJ is not an #1. IQ Is not a #1. Obviously if we draft that #1, then on any given day having any of the 3 above be you #2 is pretty good...but what is even better is one of them is your #4. That's pretty good for your depth at the top.

Then add in Gradey, Yak, Ochai and JKW, then all the sudden those guys being your 5-8 scorers again is pretty good depth.

Let's see if we can draft that real #1 guy or if at some point, we consolidate for upgrades.

But this year was always about development over wins. And yes the past few games have gotten ugly but with injuries and illness going thru the team, these things happen. No need to over react at all. Part of the process.

I want to put it out here early this is the draft you go for broke push all your chips on the table. egor denim and derik queen…trade who you have to trade besides

scottie
gradey
battle
yak
mitchell

this is the play I suggest everyone jump on.I been doing this for 15 years I dont miss. I will out scout anyone on this board and on bobby webster’s staff.

[DelAbbot]

This has got to be a troll thread when the OP's opinions have been ridiculed and OP doesn't respond to the ridicules

[Parataxis]

Everyone should be available for the right price, that should include Barnes

I highly doubt there's a trade that includes Scottie that would make much sense and while he likely won't be a superstar I still think he could quite easily be a part of a legit core.

lol right? If we trade Barnes then we’re officially a joke of a franchise.

I mean, I think the key here is 'for the right price'.

I don't think that any other team WOULD offer the right price, but if somebody loses their mind and makes a godfather offer, he's not irreplacable.