Jonas Valanciunas, Bruce Brown, Jordan Clarkson Expected To Be Available For Second-Round Pick

[RealGM Wiretap]

Several veterans, including Jonas Valanciunas, Malcolm Brogdon, Bruce Brown, Kelly Olynyk, and Jordan Clarkson are expected to be available for a second-round pick, according to Marc Stein of The Stein Line.

The Lakers were expected to pursue Valanciunas and Brogdon before acquiring Dorian Finney-Smith on Sunday.

The Nets are reportedly seeking multiple first-round picks in exchange for Cam Johnson.

The Bulls are also hoping to get a first-round pick for Nikola Vucevic, though that market is not materializing. 

Via Marc Stein/The Stein Line

[Vegeta10176]

Bruce Brown and Val are worth seconds.. But they probably want expiring too so only some teams can make this trade..

[Melwing]

Bruce Brown and Val are worth seconds..

Everyone on that list is worth more than seconds. This CBA is boring.

[tigerae]

Instead of trading all 3 2nd rounders the Lakers should have gotten Val, Bruce Brown and Clarkson for those picks if each want only 1 2nd rounder. Val would be the much needed center along side AD, Bruce Brown is a great defender and Clarkson would be a great spark off the bench and can definitely run the point.

As is, no center and one less point guard in the position they already had a hole. Just a team full of swing players who really haven't moved the needle at all.

[ontnut]

Instead of trading all 3 2nd rounders the Lakers should have gotten Val, Bruce Brown and Clarkson for those picks if each want only 1 2nd rounder. Val would be the much needed center along side AD, Bruce Brown is a great defender and Clarkson would be a great spark off the bench and can definitely run the point.

As is, no center and one less point guard in the position they already had a hole. Just a team full of swing players who really haven't moved the needle at all.

That's because they're not actually going for 1 2nd rounder each, and not all 2nd rounders are equal.
If it's a high 2nd (early 30s), they'd probably be traded straight up for expiring salary, which presumably, the Lakers didn't really have.
If it's a mid-low 2nd (40-50s) or really far in the future, it would probably have to be 2 picks. If they're being traded for salary that extends forward, the pick would need to be upgraded to 1st, or be multiple 2nds like it was for DFS.

[arasu]

Instead of trading all 3 2nd rounders the Lakers should have gotten Val, Bruce Brown and Clarkson for those picks if each want only 1 2nd rounder. Val would be the much needed center along side AD, Bruce Brown is a great defender and Clarkson would be a great spark off the bench and can definitely run the point.

As is, no center and one less point guard in the position they already had a hole. Just a team full of swing players who really haven't moved the needle at all.

That's because they're not actually going for 1 2nd rounder each, and not all 2nd rounders are equal.
If it's a high 2nd (early 30s), they'd probably be traded straight up for expiring salary, which presumably, the Lakers didn't really have.
If it's a mid-low 2nd (40-50s) or really far in the future, it would probably have to be 2 picks. If they're being traded for salary that extends forward, the pick would need to be upgraded to 1st, or be multiple 2nds like it was for DFS.

None of those three guys is worth a single 2nd round pick, unless it's top 45 protected. These are players at a point in their career that bad teams use their excess cap space to fill because good teams don't want them. DFS is better than all three combined. Then there is the whole issue of salary. Brown and Clarkson have huge salaries that require huge outgoing salary. Somebody didn't do their homework when they made these comments.

[arasu]

Bruce Brown and Val are worth seconds.. But they probably want expiring too so only some teams can make this trade..

When healthy, Brown is worth a similar deal as DFS, but he hasn't been healthy and will be a free agent. He's the expiring you trade for to dump other contracts, not a guy you want on a win-now team. Until he plays a good number of games like his old self, he's not worth any picks for his on court value, just as an expiring contract to clear cap space for the summer.

[arasu]

Bruce Brown and Val are worth seconds.. But they probably want expiring too so only some teams can make this trade..

Val is not worth ANY picks..a bad player on a trash team. Outside of a couple of young guys, the Wizards are a dumpster fire with no trade value.

[arasu]

Bruce Brown and Val are worth seconds..

Everyone on that list is worth more than seconds. This CBA is boring.

Uhh....no. They are mostly mediocre replacement level players who should be on minimum contracts. Brown WAS valuable before the injuries. Clarkson and Jonas have just declined too much over the past few years. None are worth a single pick in the top 45, other than Brogdon and Olynyk. Those two guys are productive and efficient when healthy, but VERY injury prone, so not worth a first, unless you gamble on the bad odds they'll be healthy in a playoff run.

[arasu]

Instead of trading all 3 2nd rounders the Lakers should have gotten Val, Bruce Brown and Clarkson for those picks if each want only 1 2nd rounder. Val would be the much needed center along side AD, Bruce Brown is a great defender and Clarkson would be a great spark off the bench and can definitely run the point.

As is, no center and one less point guard in the position they already had a hole. Just a team full of swing players who really haven't moved the needle at all.

They literally filled the hole they've had for the past 4 years, a real 3 and D big wing. Meanwhile, Reaves has been having 16 assist and triple double games as the starting point guard. Milton also came in the trade, a serviceable point guard as well. Are you even paying attention?

[arasu]

Instead of trading all 3 2nd rounders the Lakers should have gotten Val, Bruce Brown and Clarkson for those picks if each want only 1 2nd rounder. Val would be the much needed center along side AD, Bruce Brown is a great defender and Clarkson would be a great spark off the bench and can definitely run the point.

As is, no center and one less point guard in the position they already had a hole. Just a team full of swing players who really haven't moved the needle at all.

I do agree they could use another good and healthy center, but AD has been one of the best centers in the league, probably second behind Joker. Dude as as big as some of the greatest centers of all time, like Hakeem, Russell, Ewing, Zo, and Dwight, so why are people obsessed with making him a power forward? Yeah, he's great at the 4 and can't match up against Joker, but he destroys most of the league at center.

[ontnut]

Instead of trading all 3 2nd rounders the Lakers should have gotten Val, Bruce Brown and Clarkson for those picks if each want only 1 2nd rounder. Val would be the much needed center along side AD, Bruce Brown is a great defender and Clarkson would be a great spark off the bench and can definitely run the point.

As is, no center and one less point guard in the position they already had a hole. Just a team full of swing players who really haven't moved the needle at all.

That's because they're not actually going for 1 2nd rounder each, and not all 2nd rounders are equal.
If it's a high 2nd (early 30s), they'd probably be traded straight up for expiring salary, which presumably, the Lakers didn't really have.
If it's a mid-low 2nd (40-50s) or really far in the future, it would probably have to be 2 picks. If they're being traded for salary that extends forward, the pick would need to be upgraded to 1st, or be multiple 2nds like it was for DFS.

None of those three guys is worth a single 2nd round pick, unless it's top 45 protected. These are players at a point in their career that bad teams use their excess cap space to fill because good teams don't want them. DFS is better than all three combined. Then there is the whole issue of salary. Brown and Clarkson have huge salaries that require huge outgoing salary. Somebody didn't do their homework when they made these comments.

Didn't do their homework? Who? You?

Clarkson is making $11.5 million, that's a huge salary? He's averaging 16.5/3.5/4.5 - teams will want a guy like that who can create his own shot off the bench. You don't think a team will pay more than a top 45 protected pick for him? You're nuts.

Brown was wanted on 2 playoff teams previous to getting traded to us. Yes his salary is bloated, but it's also expiring. If he wasn't injured all year, he might've rehabbed his value back to more than a 2nd round pick, especially since we completely lacked offensive PG play.

[arasu]

That's because they're not actually going for 1 2nd rounder each, and not all 2nd rounders are equal.
If it's a high 2nd (early 30s), they'd probably be traded straight up for expiring salary, which presumably, the Lakers didn't really have.
If it's a mid-low 2nd (40-50s) or really far in the future, it would probably have to be 2 picks. If they're being traded for salary that extends forward, the pick would need to be upgraded to 1st, or be multiple 2nds like it was for DFS.

None of those three guys is worth a single 2nd round pick, unless it's top 45 protected. These are players at a point in their career that bad teams use their excess cap space to fill because good teams don't want them. DFS is better than all three combined. Then there is the whole issue of salary. Brown and Clarkson have huge salaries that require huge outgoing salary. Somebody didn't do their homework when they made these comments.

Didn't do their homework? Who? You?

Clarkson is making $11.5 million, that's a huge salary? He's averaging 16.5/3.5/4.5 - teams will want a guy like that who can create his own shot off the bench. You don't think a team will pay more than a top 45 protected pick for him? You're nuts.

Brown was wanted on 2 playoff teams previous to getting traded to us. Yes his salary is bloated, but it's also expiring. If he wasn't injured all year, he might've rehabbed his value back to more than a 2nd round pick, especially since we completely lacked offensive PG play.

You're not even doing your homework in this conversation. My point is that these guys are either injured or putting up empty stats on trash teams.

Clarkson is making $14.1 million, $28.4 combined this season and next. He shoots a high volume of threes at under 34% for his career, including a terrible 29.4% last season. His empty and inefficient scoring hurts more than helps, and his BPM and VORP support that claim. His high usage is the only thing that keeps his scoring up, which with his inefficiency kills the offensive flow. Even a few seasons ago, when he was scoring a career high, he was barely a good player, due to his inefficiency, but now he's washed.

[ontnut]

None of those three guys is worth a single 2nd round pick, unless it's top 45 protected. These are players at a point in their career that bad teams use their excess cap space to fill because good teams don't want them. DFS is better than all three combined. Then there is the whole issue of salary. Brown and Clarkson have huge salaries that require huge outgoing salary. Somebody didn't do their homework when they made these comments.

Didn't do their homework? Who? You?

Clarkson is making $11.5 million, that's a huge salary? He's averaging 16.5/3.5/4.5 - teams will want a guy like that who can create his own shot off the bench. You don't think a team will pay more than a top 45 protected pick for him? You're nuts.

Brown was wanted on 2 playoff teams previous to getting traded to us. Yes his salary is bloated, but it's also expiring. If he wasn't injured all year, he might've rehabbed his value back to more than a 2nd round pick, especially since we completely lacked offensive PG play.

You're not even doing your homework in this conversation. My point is that these guys are either injured or putting up empty stats on trash teams.

Clarkson is making $14.1 million, $28.4 combined this season and next. He shoots a high volume of threes at under 34% for his career, including a terrible 29.4% last season. His empty and inefficient scoring hurts more than helps, and his BPM and VORP support that claim. His high usage is the only thing that keeps his scoring up, which with his inefficiency kills the offensive flow. Even a few seasons ago, when he was scoring a career high, he was barely a good player, due to his inefficiency, but now he's washed.

I dont think evaluating 6th man scorers purely on efficiency is the right way to look at it. If they were efficient, they'd be a starter/star player. He's obviously not someone you build around, but 6th men who can bring instant offense off the bench, and can create their own shot, are valuable commodities in this league. That's a guy we don't have on our team, a missing piece that just 1-2 years ago, we hoped moving GTJ to the bench would be, know what I mean? He's obviously not consistent, but a guy who CAN go off for 25-30 off the bench any given game is a useful thing to have for a playoff team. He plays that role very well.

For these types of role players, looking at career numbers or even Yearly averages distorts what you actually need from them when it comes down to playoff time. Yeah he might shoot you out of a quarter now and again, that will happen, but when you're down 10 points and the offense isn't working, you can't bring in a Davion Mitchell. And those situations happen a LOT during the playoffs. For the salary of the MLE, and the acquisition cost of a 2nd rounder, I don't think that's scaring away contenders who are a piece or two away. Same for Brown (although obviously his salary is more of an issue, along with his injury/lack of PT).

As recently as Jan 2023, Jae Crowder was traded for 5 2nd round picks to the Bucks. Yes, the atmosphere has changed since then due to the aprons, and perhaps risk aversion, but I don't believe we've gone from 5 2nd round picks for a good role player, to NONE, in under 2 years.

[arasu]

Didn't do their homework? Who? You?

Clarkson is making $11.5 million, that's a huge salary? He's averaging 16.5/3.5/4.5 - teams will want a guy like that who can create his own shot off the bench. You don't think a team will pay more than a top 45 protected pick for him? You're nuts.

Brown was wanted on 2 playoff teams previous to getting traded to us. Yes his salary is bloated, but it's also expiring. If he wasn't injured all year, he might've rehabbed his value back to more than a 2nd round pick, especially since we completely lacked offensive PG play.

You're not even doing your homework in this conversation. My point is that these guys are either injured or putting up empty stats on trash teams.

Clarkson is making $14.1 million, $28.4 combined this season and next. He shoots a high volume of threes at under 34% for his career, including a terrible 29.4% last season. His empty and inefficient scoring hurts more than helps, and his BPM and VORP support that claim. His high usage is the only thing that keeps his scoring up, which with his inefficiency kills the offensive flow. Even a few seasons ago, when he was scoring a career high, he was barely a good player, due to his inefficiency, but now he's washed.

I dont think evaluating 6th man scorers purely on efficiency is the right way to look at it. If they were efficient, they'd be a starter/star player. He's obviously not someone you build around, but 6th men who can bring instant offense off the bench, and can create their own shot, are valuable commodities in this league. That's a guy we don't have on our team, a missing piece that just 1-2 years ago, we hoped moving GTJ to the bench would be, know what I mean? He's obviously not consistent, but a guy who CAN go off for 25-30 off the bench any given game is a useful thing to have for a playoff team. He plays that role very well.

For these types of role players, looking at career numbers or even Yearly averages distorts what you actually need from them when it comes down to playoff time. Yeah he might shoot you out of a quarter now and again, that will happen, but when you're down 10 points and the offense isn't working, you can't bring in a Davion Mitchell. And those situations happen a LOT during the playoffs. For the salary of the MLE, and the acquisition cost of a 2nd rounder, I don't think that's scaring away contenders who are a piece or two away. Same for Brown (although obviously his salary is more of an issue, along with his injury/lack of PT).

As recently as Jan 2023, Jae Crowder was traded for 5 2nd round picks to the Bucks. Yes, the atmosphere has changed since then due to the aprons, and perhaps risk aversion, but I don't believe we've gone from 5 2nd round picks for a good role player, to NONE, in under 2 years.

Crowder was known for 3 and D. Clarkson is known for shot jacking. Bad comparison. A healthier version of Brown is a better comparison, like if Brown was fading but still serviceable in that 3 & D role, then he'd be worth multiple seconds or a protected first even.