PG: Knick vs Wizards: 12/30/24; 8 in a row!

[FrozenEnvelope]

On another note... is there any way we can trade Sims for Jonas?. Lol

I'd love Jonas here! And he brings Taylor Swift with him!

[DaGawd]

We will find out what we really are against OKC.

I’m ready to go full homer if we beat them

i think we match up well tbh.. between mikal, og and hart we are well equipped to defend them

[Knick4Real]

No, let's NOT keep it chill!

Wins don't only count against the best in the league. ALL wins count, against both good AND bad teams. And home court advantage matters when teams win the most of their 82 games -- again, against both good AND bad teams.

After decades of dysfunction, we finally have a competent front office, a consistent coach, a team loaded with (possibly) multiple all-stars and (maybe) an MVP. We're a top 3 team in the east and finally an elite and respectable team in all of the NBA. That's worth celebrating.

Sure, we're beating teams we're supposed to beat. However, that's all part of the process. Don't discount it.

People can't let their guard down for some reason. We are not operating like the team did for 20 years before Leon. We are legit one of the best built teams with one of the best FO/HC tandems in the league yet, battered fan syndrome prevents people from enjoying the ride. They have to temper expectations for everyone.

Fuq that. We are just as good as any team in the league right now. Legit championship level team. We will see how close as the season progresses but, there is ZERO reason to "keep it chill". Enjoy the damn ride!! It's been 25 years since we were near a championship. I'm all in!

i agree about us having battered fan syndrome. but i also think we haven't seen quite enough to say championship. i think it's been proven that we have championship level pieces, but they still haven't achieved championship level form just yet. i'm more confident than i've been since 2012-13 that we can get our hopes up though. ugh, that woody team was ripping the heat all year i can't tell you how much i loathe the pacers organization

Why does it have to be championship or bust, though??

A few short years ago, we were the laughingstock of the league. Now, even the guys on INSIDE THE NBA have had to admit we're a legit Top 3 team in the East. That's reason to celebrate.

There are levels to this thing and we've jumped ahead several in just a few seasons. We don't have to withhold praise and consider ourselves unworthy unless we're beating elite teams. Who knows, some of those teams could get eliminated and we never even see them in the playoffs.

We should allow ourselves to celebrate the small AND big victories, because they all count. That's my point.

[3toheadmelo]

The next day:

The audacity of you when you wrote a thesis on Cam Reddish being as talented as rookie Kobe

by GettinitDone » Sun Aug 14, 2022 8:28 am
Offensively, he can shoot: catch and shoot, shoot off dribble (step back or step side), shoot turnaround fadeaways off the post. He's pretty much ambidextrous can go left as well as he can go right, can finish with either hand in the paint. He has nasty hesi and head fake and euro step moves. He knocks down free throws. He can pass at a high level, to backdoor cutters or kick out off penetration or alley oops off dribble. Since becoming an NBA fan in 1996, I can say Cam has one of the most diverse arrays of offensive moves I've seen from a player. Mark Jackson once commentated on a game saying Cam can do what others in blue and orange can't, or Mark Jones saying hes "so effortless".

Defensively, he's far and away the best on ball defender in the entire NBA. Watching Wiggins in Finals, I thought Cam can easily be even a better lockdown defensive specialist than Wiggins.
t's clear all you critical of Cam evaluate players based on what they've already accomplished. Well if this was 1997, you'd have a hard time choosing a teenage Kobe (averaged only 15mpg, 7.6ppg, shot 4 airballs in a playoffs elimination game) over a then more accomplished Eddie Jones (established starter, on verge of becoming All Star). But the real astute talent evaluator Jerry West chose Kobe over Eddie, traded EJ to clear up playing time and starting spot for Kobe). I started collecting Kobe cards as he was getting DNP-CDs or 3-5 mins garbage time while my friends were collecting their MJs, Hills, Pippens, Shaqs... and they would never understand why I'd collect a trash player whose only forte seemed to be a dunking showboat.

Btw, I hadn't collected any dang NBA card since Kobe RCs in 1997 and I started doing again for Cam RCs (getting them while cheap becoz he's still "trash"... easiest investment choice ever)

Can you evaluate talent not based on their accomplishments but based on what they've shown in the garbage minutes they're receiving?? That's hard.

I'll just let Cam's play in the season do the talking from here on out

Look if it had not been for Thibs' 31 straight DNP-CDs

He was balling when he was playing... 22+ppg on 55FG% when he attempted at least 10 shots

The 31 straight DNP-CDs torpedoed his confidence... you serve a 31 straight DNP-CDs to prime MJ, prime Luka, prime LeBron, they confidence get hurt too... this game is all about confidence.

I was sure of his superstardom as sure could be, but DNP-CDs got in the way ... outta anyone's control

Comparing cam reddish to prime Jordan, prime Bron now too?

[rajajackal]

People can't let their guard down for some reason. We are not operating like the team did for 20 years before Leon. We are legit one of the best built teams with one of the best FO/HC tandems in the league yet, battered fan syndrome prevents people from enjoying the ride. They have to temper expectations for everyone.

Fuq that. We are just as good as any team in the league right now. Legit championship level team. We will see how close as the season progresses but, there is ZERO reason to "keep it chill". Enjoy the damn ride!! It's been 25 years since we were near a championship. I'm all in!

i agree about us having battered fan syndrome. but i also think we haven't seen quite enough to say championship. i think it's been proven that we have championship level pieces, but they still haven't achieved championship level form just yet. i'm more confident than i've been since 2012-13 that we can get our hopes up though. ugh, that woody team was ripping the heat all year i can't tell you how much i loathe the pacers organization

Why does it have to be championship or bust, though??

A few short years ago, we were the laughingstock of the league. Now, even the guys on INSIDE THE NBA have had to admit we're a legit Top 3 team in the East. That's reason to celebrate.

There are levels to this thing and we've jumped ahead several in just a few seasons. We don't have to withhold praise and consider ourselves unworthy unless we're beating elite teams. Who knows, some of those teams could get eliminated and we never even see them in the playoffs.

We should allow ourselves to celebrate the small AND big victories, because they all count. That's my point.

i agree it's not chip or bust generally speaking. i've enjoyed the hell out of these last few seasons. was just speaking directly to how championship ready i think we are compared to beginning of the season. early on there were still questions about the build. think the team has already cleared that hurdle. looking forward to seeing them take their grit and competitiveness to the next level against the league's best

[TKKnicks1]

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He seems like a good dude. Tough on the court but Teddy bear soft off court. He would get along very well on the VillaKnicks.

[nedleeds]

Crushing bad teams and with the exception of Hart who Thibs seems to love mounting getting starters rested.

Please for the love of god get a bench 2/3 to soak another 10-12 in these kind of blowout games. Where is Andy Rautins? James White?

[thebuzzardman]

Valanciunas would cost Mitch and the Wiz's pick back. Not sure if worth it.

Then again, this is one of those scenarios where the trade seems to work for both teams.

The Wiz aren't winning anything, no matter which moves they make. Not for a few years.
If Mitch gets healthy, they'd have C depth (which they have already) in the form of two rim protectors.
The Wiz pick the Knicks have is most valuable to the Wiz, since it becomes a 1st rounder for a bad team, plus Stepien rules stuff
I get that 2 2nd round picks from a bad team have good value for the Knicks under the new CBA


The Knicks get a less rim protector than Mitch but a good all around player.
Valanciunas could work with KAT on the floor for limited stretches, about the same amount of time KAT and Mitch would play.

Knicks are more in that championship window.
Valanciunas age kind of sucks, but at 32, he still has 3 decent years in.
Mitch is 26, so would be around longer if the Knicks wanted to commit to him, but you get the feeling they might not want to

[Chanel Bomber]

All i took was towns former agent to become a president of basketball operations to truly unlock his real potential. He’s got a 10 net rating on the year which is pretty insane and 6th in Pie. Guys having a monster season and the best one of his career. Only one that comes close is that season with jimmy butler.

He's up there in EPM too. Not Jokic/SGA level, but definitely elite. The guy is a monster.

I believe it. A lot of times it’s hard to visualize a lot of the advanced metrics. On a team with Jalen Brunson, you can see the momentum of the game change when Kat leaves or comes on the floor. Even against the wizards you can see that momentum swing. I can’t remember seeing it as pronounced as it is this season with Kat since rookie year KP. Where it’s so obvious that we’re better on the floor with them. That’s probably taking Brunson for granted but todays a hype up Kat day

I thought you were referring to Brunson because I'm a moron and apparently I can't read anymore.

But yes, I think it applies to KAT too, perhaps to a slightly lesser extent but in a significant way nonetheless.

When he's on the floor it just seems our offense makes a leap in time of 20 years and becomes a showcase of modernity. It looks almost unreal at times when you see the space on the court on a consistent basis, or when your 7-footer swishes 3s without the merest sound of iron from well beyond the line.

Everything looks effortless, which is such a stark contrast to our experience with Randle, RJ and our rim protectors, where our offense literally relied on our offensive rebounding off of our countless misses.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Valanciunas would cost Mitch and the Wiz's pick back. Not sure if worth it.

Then again, this is one of those scenarios where the trade seems to work for both teams.

The Wiz aren't winning anything, no matter which moves they make. Not for a few years.
If Mitch gets healthy, they'd have C depth (which they have already) in the form of two rim protectors.
The Wiz pick the Knicks have is most valuable to the Wiz, since it becomes a 1st rounder for a bad team, plus Stepien rules stuff
I get that 2 2nd round picks from a bad team have good value for the Knicks under the new CBA


The Knicks get a less rim protector than Mitch but a good all around player.
Valanciunas could work with KAT on the floor for limited stretches, about the same amount of time KAT and Mitch would play.

Knicks are more in that championship window.
Valanciunas age kind of sucks, but at 32, he still has 3 decent years in.
Mitch is 26, so would be around longer if the Knicks wanted to commit to him, but you get the feeling they might not want to

I think I would rather take my chances on Mitch getting healthy. But if they think he won’t get back then we have to consider other options

[mpharris36]

Yeah Val is a solid option but watching both games he's going to give us nothing defensively. Knicks got whatever they wanted with him on the floor.

I would take my chances Mitch stays healthy they trade him for Val. Mitch at minimum has value against CLE and Philly two teams we could likely face in playoffs.

Not saying Mitch untouchable but I don't want to acquire a big that will get exposed in P&R defense.

[Fat Kat]

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[thebuzzardman]

Valanciunas would cost Mitch and the Wiz's pick back. Not sure if worth it.

Then again, this is one of those scenarios where the trade seems to work for both teams.

The Wiz aren't winning anything, no matter which moves they make. Not for a few years.
If Mitch gets healthy, they'd have C depth (which they have already) in the form of two rim protectors.
The Wiz pick the Knicks have is most valuable to the Wiz, since it becomes a 1st rounder for a bad team, plus Stepien rules stuff
I get that 2 2nd round picks from a bad team have good value for the Knicks under the new CBA


The Knicks get a less rim protector than Mitch but a good all around player.
Valanciunas could work with KAT on the floor for limited stretches, about the same amount of time KAT and Mitch would play.

Knicks are more in that championship window.
Valanciunas age kind of sucks, but at 32, he still has 3 decent years in.
Mitch is 26, so would be around longer if the Knicks wanted to commit to him, but you get the feeling they might not want to

I think I would rather take my chances on Mitch getting healthy. But if they think he won’t get back then we have to consider other options

I think I would too. And I guess the Knicks could package Precious, Sims and a the Wiz pick and maybe get it done, assuming the Wiz have the rights to a worthless Euro stash player to balance the trade (I'll assume other teams besides the The Brock Allers do this), but then the Knicks would stay too deep at C for no reason, while removing one of the few players who can play the 4.

Now, I know KAT can play the 4. OG or Hart IS the 4 and then it follows that either OG or Hart can back up the 4.
So losing one doesn't seem like a big deal until you realize that Thibs trusts almost no one on the bench to backup Hart and OG, and barely to back up Mikal.

But I guess that's a way (didn't check it) that he could come over without Mitch going out. But then Mitch wouldn't really play.

Or they move Mitch for a wing after that trade.

They probably don't do any trade unless one opens up that is EXACTLY what they were hoping would happen in the offseason, only it happens at the during this trade deadline. Whatever that would be.

[thebuzzardman]

Yeah Val is a solid option but watching both games he's going to give us nothing defensively. Knicks got whatever they wanted with him on the floor.

I would take my chances Mitch stays healthy they trade him for Val. Mitch at minimum has value against CLE and Philly two teams we could likely face in playoffs.

Not saying Mitch untouchable but I don't want to acquire a big that will get exposed in P&R defense.

I wouldn't say nothing. His height disrupted some stuff and he's a really good defensive and offensive rebounder.
But agreed, he's not really a rim protector.

[GettinitDone]

The audacity of you when you wrote a thesis on Cam Reddish being as talented as rookie Kobe

Look if it had not been for Thibs' 31 straight DNP-CDs

He was balling when he was playing... 22+ppg on 55FG% when he attempted at least 10 shots

The 31 straight DNP-CDs torpedoed his confidence... you serve a 31 straight DNP-CDs to prime MJ, prime Luka, prime LeBron, they confidence get hurt too... this game is all about confidence.

I was sure of his superstardom as sure could be, but DNP-CDs got in the way ... outta anyone's control

Comparing cam reddish to prime Jordan, prime Bron now too?

LOL you can't be serious ! WHO was comparing Cam to them?? Not me !! I was saying if DNP-CDs could affect top tier players like prime MJ and prime LeBron, it would DEFINITELY affect lower tier players like Cam...

Anyway I had not posted about Cam maybe since his first month as a Laker (last season), I've moved on.

For you? I' give a week before you start posting again wishing the team had not traded Randle, or had acquired D-Mitch, Ayton, LaVine, and all other possible non winning inefficient volume chuckers in the L

[thebuzzardman]

Watched the game at my brothers place during a holiday visit, so didn't post last night. A few random thoughts.

The 3 point shooting absolutely sucked, again, last night, until Hart made 3 in a row and OG made some.
But well past the first half it was bad. Luckily, the Wiz were awful too.

Brunson struggled again, to a degree. Pretty clearly playing through an injury. Probably to his nuts.

The win felt a little frustrating because the first 2.5 quarters, Knicks weren't getting consistent stops, weren't being consistent on offense and turned the ball over a lot of kind of lazy dumb plays.

With all that, Knicks were still right there, and then what superior teams do in the NBA quite often, just put on the pressure a little and you look up and they are up 20.

We tend to think that Boston, Cleveland, OKC, whatever the "good teams" du jour are, always just bury teams from the jump. And sometimes that happens. Sometimes the Knicks do that. but there are also games like this, where it goes back and forth, and in two minutes the "good team" has built an unsurmountable lead.

Knicks are now one of those good teams.

And I'd say that the offense is still at like 75% of it's ability, same for the defense.

Because even in these games that are kind of meh, you see instances of great ball movement and team ESP and IQ.
And you know that can get better because we've all seen great teams where they are together for a year, 1.5 years, and it's better.
That's where the Knicks are going.

[mpharris36]

Yeah Val is a solid option but watching both games he's going to give us nothing defensively. Knicks got whatever they wanted with him on the floor.

I would take my chances Mitch stays healthy they trade him for Val. Mitch at minimum has value against CLE and Philly two teams we could likely face in playoffs.

Not saying Mitch untouchable but I don't want to acquire a big that will get exposed in P&R defense.

I wouldn't say nothing. His height disrupted some stuff and he's a really good defensive and offensive rebounder.
But agreed, he's not really a rim protector.

It's not just the rim protection. They purposely put a smaller defender on KAT so the Knicks couldn't run Brunson and KAT P&Rs. Val just can't move his feet. He's a great rebounder and has great touch on offense. Good passer too. Just not sure that's what we need. You couldnt play KAT and Val together.

I would much rather go after a Beef Stew someone who can defend and also play some small ball 4. Like a better version of precious if we were going down that route.

I feel like a healthy mitch though gives us just another play style we can win at. We could go Mitch and KAT vs Cleveland and destroy them on the glass.

[cgmw]

We will find out what we really are against OKC.

I’m ready to go full homer if we beat them

If we lose just one game, I look forward to the told-ya-so apocalyptic vitriol of this board.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Valanciunas would cost Mitch and the Wiz's pick back. Not sure if worth it.

Then again, this is one of those scenarios where the trade seems to work for both teams.

The Wiz aren't winning anything, no matter which moves they make. Not for a few years.
If Mitch gets healthy, they'd have C depth (which they have already) in the form of two rim protectors.
The Wiz pick the Knicks have is most valuable to the Wiz, since it becomes a 1st rounder for a bad team, plus Stepien rules stuff
I get that 2 2nd round picks from a bad team have good value for the Knicks under the new CBA


The Knicks get a less rim protector than Mitch but a good all around player.
Valanciunas could work with KAT on the floor for limited stretches, about the same amount of time KAT and Mitch would play.

Knicks are more in that championship window.
Valanciunas age kind of sucks, but at 32, he still has 3 decent years in.
Mitch is 26, so would be around longer if the Knicks wanted to commit to him, but you get the feeling they might not want to

I think I would rather take my chances on Mitch getting healthy. But if they think he won’t get back then we have to consider other options

I think I would too. And I guess the Knicks could package Precious, Sims and a the Wiz pick and maybe get it done, assuming the Wiz have the rights to a worthless Euro stash player to balance the trade (I'll assume other teams besides the The Brock Allers do this), but then the Knicks would stay too deep at C for no reason, while removing one of the few players who can play the 4.

Now, I know KAT can play the 4. OG or Hart IS the 4 and then it follows that either OG or Hart can back up the 4.
So losing one doesn't seem like a big deal until you realize that Thibs trusts almost no one on the bench to backup Hart and OG, and barely to back up Mikal.

But I guess that's a way (didn't check it) that he could come over without Mitch going out. But then Mitch wouldn't really play.

Or they move Mitch for a wing after that trade.

They probably don't do any trade unless one opens up that is EXACTLY what they were hoping would happen in the offseason, only it happens at the during this trade deadline. Whatever that would be.

Jonas...I dont think he is playable against a team like Boston and Prescious would be better fit in that series for us since he is more agile on the perimter. I have a tough time moving Prescious since I think he could help against Boston.

In other series Jonas would be better, and he is better overall though.

I would probably wait until closer to the trade deadline to see what is out there. We will probably hear more rumors of vets available and maybe we can find the right guy at the right cost. Plus we should have a better idea on Mitch.

[mpharris36]

Beef Stew is still one of the likely guys I see us trading for. One of the better guys with rim protection. Has switch ability. He's one of the best guys that has guarded Giannis so he has versatility.

I think he would fit right in with the toughness and a local kid.

He has also has some offensive skills. Has made 3's before and decent FT shooter.

Think he is the type of ideal fit if the Knicks don't trust Mitchs health.