Around the League: 2024-25 Season

[Idiosyncratic]

Cavs also are soon going to have 3 max contracts plus Jarrett Allen making 30m per year - something that Orlando simply should not do according to the half of the posters here.

It's like there is no nuance to anything. For starters we are already going to have basically 3 max contracts especially if Paolo ALL-NBA's next year. And Wendell + Caldwell-Pope each don't make much less than Allen.

Secondly they are older than us.

And lastly if a fit as good as Mitchell was available a lot of people would be OK taking a risk. If Fox for instance made 3s I would probably consider him harder.

Becoming an apron team and shrinking the window to win this early would be extremely risky. There's a reason we heard Allen, Garland and Mitchell trade rumors in the summer also.

Would seriously advise people to look up how much the aprons can limit your team building.

[three3d]

Cavs also are soon going to have 3 max contracts plus Jarrett Allen making 30m per year - something that Orlando simply should not do according to the half of the posters here.

It's like there is no nuance to anything. For starters we are already going to have basically 3 max contracts especially if Paolo ALL-NBA's next year. And Wendell + Caldwell-Pope each don't make much less than Allen.

Secondly they are older than us.

And lastly if a fit as good as Mitchell was available a lot of people would be OK taking a risk. If Fox for instance made 3s I would probably consider him harder.

Becoming an apron team and shrinking the window to win this early would be extremely risky. There's a reason we heard Allen, Garland and Mitchell trade rumors in the summer also.

Would seriously advise people to look up how much the aprons can limit your team building.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/

Where bottom 3 in the NBA in roster salary. Maybe I’m not tracking this right but how can we be close to the apron with a bottom 3 payroll?

[three3d]

The NBA salary cap and apron penalties are part of the NBA's collective bargaining agreement (CBA) and are designed to prevent teams from spending too much on player salaries:
Salary cap: The salary cap for the 2024–25 season is $140.588 million.
Luxury tax: The luxury tax threshold for the 2024–25 season is $170.814 million.
First apron: The first apron is at $178.132 million. When a team's payroll exceeds this amount, they are subject to penalties.
Second apron: The second apron is at $188.931 million. When a team's payroll exceeds this amount, they are subject to even more penalties.
Penalties for teams that exceed the salary cap and apron include:
Freezing first-round picks
Ban on cash use in player trades
Inability to combine salaries to acquire a bigger contract
Inability to take back more salary than a player they send out in a trade
Inability to access the mid-level exception in free agency
Only able to offer minimum-salary contracts to free agents from other teams
The second apron is a new addition to the CBA, and it's expected to have a significant impact on how NBA teams structure their rosters.


The Orlando Magic's 2024/25 team payroll is $151,516,231, which ranks 28th in the NBA. Here are some salaries for players on the 2024-25 Orlando Magic roster:
Center: $9,057,971, $11,000,000, and $11,950,000
Shooting guard: $9,188,385
The average salary for an NBA player in the 2024-25 season is expected to be $11,910,649. The minimum salary for the season is $1,157,153. The highest-paid player in the NBA is Stephen Curry of the Golden State Warriors, who will earn $55.76 million.

[Idiosyncratic]

Cavs also are soon going to have 3 max contracts plus Jarrett Allen making 30m per year - something that Orlando simply should not do according to the half of the posters here.

It's like there is no nuance to anything. For starters we are already going to have basically 3 max contracts especially if Paolo ALL-NBA's next year. And Wendell + Caldwell-Pope each don't make much less than Allen.

Secondly they are older than us.

And lastly if a fit as good as Mitchell was available a lot of people would be OK taking a risk. If Fox for instance made 3s I would probably consider him harder.

Becoming an apron team and shrinking the window to win this early would be extremely risky. There's a reason we heard Allen, Garland and Mitchell trade rumors in the summer also.

Would seriously advise people to look up how much the aprons can limit your team building.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/

Where bottom 3 in the NBA in roster salary. Maybe I’m not tracking this right but how can we be close to the apron with a bottom 3 payroll?

None of the extensions have kicked in.

[RichCollab]

Cavs also are soon going to have 3 max contracts plus Jarrett Allen making 30m per year - something that Orlando simply should not do according to the half of the posters here.

It’s not the right time. Let’s give this current core 2 seasons.

[Idiosyncratic]

Paolo- 50 mil
Franz- 42 mil
Suggs- 32 mil
Isaac- 15 mil
Wendell 18 mil
Caldwell-Pope 20 mil
AB- 10 mil
Da Silva 4 mil

Puts us at 191 for 8 players in 2026. 1st apron is 215 I believe. 2nd is 228

So we would be 24 mil away from the 1st apron with only 8 players. See how a 50 million Fox or Mitchell would be hard? Can obviously try to take losses on Wendell and Isaac and add a star but then you are an apron team with 6 or 7 players. Maybe worth it for a guy like Luka, debatable for a guy like Fox.

*disclaimer, my numbers could be slightly off I am far from an expert at this, but I think I'm close*

[Skybox]

It's like there is no nuance to anything. For starters we are already going to have basically 3 max contracts especially if Paolo ALL-NBA's next year. And Wendell + Caldwell-Pope each don't make much less than Allen.

Secondly they are older than us.

And lastly if a fit as good as Mitchell was available a lot of people would be OK taking a risk. If Fox for instance made 3s I would probably consider him harder.

Becoming an apron team and shrinking the window to win this early would be extremely risky. There's a reason we heard Allen, Garland and Mitchell trade rumors in the summer also.

Would seriously advise people to look up how much the aprons can limit your team building.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/

Where bottom 3 in the NBA in roster salary. Maybe I’m not tracking this right but how can we be close to the apron with a bottom 3 payroll?

None of the extensions have kicked in.

...and the average salary is meaningless when you factor the massive deals at the top of every decent roster...there is no middle class on contenders. Pointing out that we have 3 Centers that EACH make around $10 or $11m is not a good thing - it's a looming problem...especially when the (currently) worst of them is about to begin a deal that jumps to $18, then $19.5...another of them is out for a calendar year. It's a problem. You need to have a Queen-type on your bench for every Paolo.

[Skybox]

Cavs also are soon going to have 3 max contracts plus Jarrett Allen making 30m per year - something that Orlando simply should not do according to the half of the posters here.

It’s not the right time. Let’s give this current core 2 seasons.

Tell Presti that Caruso and Hartenstein were mistakes...they're a small market too and they're also "too young".

Oh wait, they're the best team in the league and getting better with every move.

[Idiosyncratic]

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/

Where bottom 3 in the NBA in roster salary. Maybe I’m not tracking this right but how can we be close to the apron with a bottom 3 payroll?

None of the extensions have kicked in.

...and the average salary is meaningless when you factor the massive deals at the top of every decent roster...there is no middle class on contenders. Pointing out that we have 3 Centers that EACH make around $10 or $11m is not a good thing - it's a looming problem...especially when the (currently) worst of them is about to begin a deal that jumps to $18, then $19.5...another of them is out for a calendar year. It's a problem. You need to have a Queen-type on your bench for every Paolo.

I agree, even without Wendell and Isaac's deal another 50 million dollar player would be very hard to fit though. Best option for another star would be to trade for one that doesn't make 50 million while are core is at their peaks. Just seems early for that option. Still some players if you can get them you make it work, don't get me wrong. Mitchell was that guy for the Cavs.

[basketballRob]

Cavs also are soon going to have 3 max contracts plus Jarrett Allen making 30m per year - something that Orlando simply should not do according to the half of the posters here.

It's like there is no nuance to anything. For starters we are already going to have basically 3 max contracts especially if Paolo ALL-NBA's next year. And Wendell + Caldwell-Pope each don't make much less than Allen.

Secondly they are older than us.

And lastly if a fit as good as Mitchell was available a lot of people would be OK taking a risk. If Fox for instance made 3s I would probably consider him harder.

Becoming an apron team and shrinking the window to win this early would be extremely risky. There's a reason we heard Allen, Garland and Mitchell trade rumors in the summer also.

Would seriously advise people to look up how much the aprons can limit your team building.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/

Where bottom 3 in the NBA in roster salary. Maybe I’m not tracking this right but how can we be close to the apron with a bottom 3 payroll?

Next season our salaries will be $200m.

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[RichCollab]

Cavs also are soon going to have 3 max contracts plus Jarrett Allen making 30m per year - something that Orlando simply should not do according to the half of the posters here.

It’s not the right time. Let’s give this current core 2 seasons.

Tell Presti that Caruso and Hartenstein were mistakes...they're a small market too and they're also "too young".

Oh wait, they're the best team in the league and getting better with every move.

OKC is 2 years ahead of us. I do feel OKC need 2 more years of playoff experience.

SGA is a top 3 player. Paolo will be in a season in a half.

[Idiosyncratic]

Cavs also are soon going to have 3 max contracts plus Jarrett Allen making 30m per year - something that Orlando simply should not do according to the half of the posters here.

It’s not the right time. Let’s give this current core 2 seasons.

Tell Presti that Caruso and Hartenstein were mistakes...they're a small market too and they're also "too young".

Oh wait, they're the best team in the league and getting better with every move.

Those were hardly big all-in moves, come on. Their star is also a top 3 player and several seasons ahead of Paolo and Franz in his development. Pretty weak comparison. They probably should make another somewhat big move though.

[Skybox]

It’s not the right time. Let’s give this current core 2 seasons.

Tell Presti that Caruso and Hartenstein were mistakes...they're a small market too and they're also "too young".

Oh wait, they're the best team in the league and getting better with every move.

Those were hardly big all-in moves, come on. Their star is also a top 3 player and several seasons ahead of Paolo and Franz in his development. Pretty weak comparison. They probably should make another somewhat big move though.

They're a significantly younger team than ours (a full year, on average). They overpaid, by design, either in salary or trade value, to get short-term veterans to lift their young core by skill and example. They are a tremendous comparison... of how to do it when you can. How to seize opportunity instead of BS delays and excuses. We can wait - but we don't have to. P&F are so young that we can try, fail, and try again-if needed. Age is a number. Paolo & Franz are not "developing"...they are stars (who will get even better, but they're stars NOW).

[Skybox]

It’s not the right time. Let’s give this current core 2 seasons.

Tell Presti that Caruso and Hartenstein were mistakes...they're a small market too and they're also "too young".

Oh wait, they're the best team in the league and getting better with every move.

Those were hardly big all-in moves, come on. Their star is also a top 3 player and several seasons ahead of Paolo and Franz in his development. Pretty weak comparison. They probably should make another somewhat big move though.

90% (and the others are just mental exercise) of my proposals are not big all-in moves. Improvements around your 2.5 stars, regardless of their age is a no-brainer...if they're really young, strive for good examples with supporting skillsets and professionalism...like, IDK, Caruso & Hartenstein or even KCP and ?

[eyriq]

Tell Presti that Caruso and Hartenstein were mistakes...they're a small market too and they're also "too young".

Oh wait, they're the best team in the league and getting better with every move.

Those were hardly big all-in moves, come on. Their star is also a top 3 player and several seasons ahead of Paolo and Franz in his development. Pretty weak comparison. They probably should make another somewhat big move though.

They're a significantly younger team than ours (a full year, on average). They overpaid, by design, either in salary or trade value, to get short-term veterans to lift their young core by skill and example. They are a tremendous comparison... of how to do it when you can. How to seize opportunity instead of BS delays and excuses. We can wait - but we don't have to. P&F are so young that we can try, fail, and try again-if needed. Age is a number. Paolo & Franz are not "developing"...they are stars (who will get even better, but they're stars NOW).

They'd be a great comparison if WCJ was a top 3 MVP candidate.

[Idiosyncratic]

Tell Presti that Caruso and Hartenstein were mistakes...they're a small market too and they're also "too young".

Oh wait, they're the best team in the league and getting better with every move.

Those were hardly big all-in moves, come on. Their star is also a top 3 player and several seasons ahead of Paolo and Franz in his development. Pretty weak comparison. They probably should make another somewhat big move though.

They're a significantly younger team than ours (a full year, on average). They overpaid, by design, either in salary or trade value, to get short-term veterans to lift their young core by skill and example. They are a tremendous comparison... of how to do it when you can. How to seize opportunity instead of BS delays and excuses. We can wait - but we don't have to. P&F are so young that we can try, fail, and try again-if needed. Age is a number. Paolo & Franz are not "developing"...they are stars (who will get even better, but they're stars NOW).

Paolo and Franz are nowhere near SGA yet.

They can overpay because they keep adding draft picks to their rotation. It is brilliant, let's copy it.

Hartenstein was a similar FA signing to Caldwell-Pope, we made that similar move. Caruso was trading a player they no longer have need for for a role player. They have the best net rating in the NBA, they should go for it. We should too when we are that good. We are 10th this year, we were 14th last year man, this isn't even close to the same.

[Skybox]

Those were hardly big all-in moves, come on. Their star is also a top 3 player and several seasons ahead of Paolo and Franz in his development. Pretty weak comparison. They probably should make another somewhat big move though.

They're a significantly younger team than ours (a full year, on average). They overpaid, by design, either in salary or trade value, to get short-term veterans to lift their young core by skill and example. They are a tremendous comparison... of how to do it when you can. How to seize opportunity instead of BS delays and excuses. We can wait - but we don't have to. P&F are so young that we can try, fail, and try again-if needed. Age is a number. Paolo & Franz are not "developing"...they are stars (who will get even better, but they're stars NOW).

They'd be a great comparison if WCJ was a top 3 MVP candidate.

that's silly...their big 3 is SGA, Jalen, and Chet
ours is similar, and nearly equivalent overall, imo...and, actually younger.

[Skybox]

Those were hardly big all-in moves, come on. Their star is also a top 3 player and several seasons ahead of Paolo and Franz in his development. Pretty weak comparison. They probably should make another somewhat big move though.

They're a significantly younger team than ours (a full year, on average). They overpaid, by design, either in salary or trade value, to get short-term veterans to lift their young core by skill and example. They are a tremendous comparison... of how to do it when you can. How to seize opportunity instead of BS delays and excuses. We can wait - but we don't have to. P&F are so young that we can try, fail, and try again-if needed. Age is a number. Paolo & Franz are not "developing"...they are stars (who will get even better, but they're stars NOW).

Paolo and Franz are nowhere near SGA yet.

They can overpay because they keep adding draft picks to their rotation. It is brilliant, let's copy it.

Hartenstein was a similar FA signing to Caldwell-Pope, we made that similar move. Caruso was trading a player they no longer have need for for a role player. They have the best net rating in the NBA, they should go for it. We should too when we are that good. We are 10th this year, we were 14th last year man, this isn't even close to the same.

The roadmap is the same and they are widening the gap with every savvy, "around the edges" move...while we admire ourselves and them and say "someday we can do that" instead of just doing it.

[Idiosyncratic]

They're a significantly younger team than ours (a full year, on average). They overpaid, by design, either in salary or trade value, to get short-term veterans to lift their young core by skill and example. They are a tremendous comparison... of how to do it when you can. How to seize opportunity instead of BS delays and excuses. We can wait - but we don't have to. P&F are so young that we can try, fail, and try again-if needed. Age is a number. Paolo & Franz are not "developing"...they are stars (who will get even better, but they're stars NOW).

They'd be a great comparison if WCJ was a top 3 MVP candidate.

that's silly...their big 3 is SGA, Jalen, and Chet
ours is similar, and nearly equivalent overall, imo...and, actually younger.

And if/when our big 3 can be a team that looks like one of the few best in the league we should go for it. They haven't even made moves like that and they are the best team in the NBA.

You are underestimating how much better Shai is than our guys. And their defense is even better than ours statistically in a harder conference.

[eyriq]

They're a significantly younger team than ours (a full year, on average). They overpaid, by design, either in salary or trade value, to get short-term veterans to lift their young core by skill and example. They are a tremendous comparison... of how to do it when you can. How to seize opportunity instead of BS delays and excuses. We can wait - but we don't have to. P&F are so young that we can try, fail, and try again-if needed. Age is a number. Paolo & Franz are not "developing"...they are stars (who will get even better, but they're stars NOW).

They'd be a great comparison if WCJ was a top 3 MVP candidate.

that's silly...their big 3 is SGA, Jalen, and Chet
ours is similar, and nearly equivalent overall, imo...and, actually younger.

SGA was the prospect they acquired when they blew it up. WCJ was our equivalent. They traded Paul George, we traded Vooch. Their rebuild is accelerated as a result.