2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2

[Jstock12]

BYU/Demin playing today at 4pm and starting conference play against good teams. He was mediocre in has last couple games and then got injured. Will be interesting to see how he performs.

Kenpom has BYU at #43 and Arizona St at #55. Pretty equal teams, should be an interesting game with a couple interesting prospects (aside from Demin) in Jayden Quaintance (a 17 year old 2026 prospect already getting 5 stocks in 29mpg) and Joson Sanon.

[mademan]

There aren't 5 players in college better than Ace right now
Every prospect is going to have holes to fills, they're college freshman.
Ace is more than just a tall shooter offensively, he's one of the best iso scorers.
He's not a niche fit for us, we've been looking for a go-to shooting SF to pair next to our point-fwd PF, who can space the floor for our non-shooting but productive SG.

There's Harper Cooper Denim Tre and I guess VJ who are top5 worthy in my books. Cooper and Ace are the best fits for us. Ace going back to school isn't even a question lol

There's a pretty big difference in settling for contested jumpers and being forced to take them because your game is limited. IMO it's the latter with Bailey.

Why not imagine what he'll look like with more age, training, experience, strength, guidance ect ect ect... I mean the things y'all fault him for are things that can and will get better. If he was doing what everyone wants him to do or expects, he'd be #1 for sure....

Guys incapable of creating separation in college are rarely able to do it at the NBA level. Being able to only generate tough looks at the college level is extremely concerning

[PhilBlackson]

I’m definitely not writing off Ace and I’d still believe in him if we were the ones developing him buuuuuuut it will take some SERIOUS work to break bad habits and try have him build new ones…

His game right now is reminding of the bad parts of Carmelo Anthony….

We all know the over iso, tunnel vision and tough shot taker but also maker that is. That’s what I’m mainly seeing from game and he literally sets his game up in a similar fashion with the jab steps, turnarounds, a step or two and pull up. It really wouldn’t shock me considering he’s growing up playing in NJersey if Melo wasn’t one of his role models.

I see a lot of that to his game and hate to say it but don’t like it. I’ve never really liked Melo that much if I’m being honest. I get he would be an absolute bucket but that’s all he was, I don’t feel like Melo wasn’t really doing much until Chauncey showed up in DEN & he had a small “run” with the Knicks that didn’t amount to much. But I always felt he was so overrated because you could literally see by the way he plays he wasn’t making guys around him better, he was just get you a bucket.

I get we’d want to make Ace a dude that can do just that and I think he’ll figure out how to do that but they have to change a lot of those bad habits ie/ find ways to get easier shots like Gradey does slashing, running off screens etc or of course work on your handle so you can find ways to pull up from the midrange. It’s obvious that once he gets even the slightest open space and he’s splashing it but he just has to do a way better job overall creating better space on his jumper so he obviously improve his efficiency then his scoring numbers will explode.

The biggest Achilles Heel here though is obviously his passing. I won’t lie and say I know how guys work on that. Of course with the great ones it seems innate. But most of the best scorers that became successful ie/ MJ, Kobe, Kawhi…all had to work hard to add more of that to their game. I’m 100% not comparing him as a prospect but just speaking to how others worked on it and idk Kobe, Kawhi’s passing numbers or analytics but I’m sure they were also ahead of where Ace is now. But nonetheless of course I believe our franchise would make it an absolute top priority that adds at least some passing to keep movement with the ball, they won’t just ignore it lol. Anyways that’s how I feel about Ace’s potential in a nutshell for now unless he shows more dimensions to his game that I haven’t seen yet.

[Reeko]

Plz let us draft this guy

Why? What about him makes you want the Raptors to draft him?

How do you look at that and ask y is my ?
.1st he's 6'8+, all the best players in the league are around that height, minus a few
2. He shoots the ball or has great form, so he can space the floor for us and be a zone buster like that clip displays.
3. His strengths are our weaknesses
4. You guys are looking for a finish product in a college freshman? Why?
5. The fit to me is perfect.

Walter had horrible stats last year, a few of us knew he was better than his stats.

Because, as much as possible, I try not to let highlights totally inform my opinion of a player.

1. Sure, but there are plenty of players who are 6'8+ that aren't some of the best players in the league.
2. There's a bunch of good shooters with better pedigrees in this draft if you're looking for a zone buster.
3. Our team is one of the worst in the league, we have so many weaknesses that I don't see how Ace addresses even most of them.
4. This one baffled me a bit ngl. How is pointing out his glaring weaknesses suddenly saying that we expect a finished product?
5. So in your opinion what this team needs is a 6'10 shooter who takes a lot of mid range shots, shows some promise as a 3 point shooter, but hasn't shown a really consistent ability to get to the rim, while also being a potential ball stopper on offense. And who may be good defensively but certainly not game changing.

[Yallbecrazy]

I keep looking at Ace through the lens of a high school junior Brandon miller.

Freshman Ace is 2 years younger than freshman Miller.

They aren’t a perfect comparison but a lot of similarities.

Marvin Bagley is a rich man's Ace Bailey.

[Jstock12]

Demin racking up assists. Already up to 7 assists and only 1 turnover against a top40 defense, and still 10 minutes to go. Struggling to hit jumpers though.

[ArthurVandelay]

I keep looking at Ace through the lens of a high school junior Brandon miller.

Freshman Ace is 2 years younger than freshman Miller.

They aren’t a perfect comparison but a lot of similarities.

Marvin Bagley is a rich man's Ace Bailey.

Oh a forum with 1000s of bad takes, of which I’ve probably contributed dozens, this stands out as a very, very awfully bad take.

[Jstock12]

Egor ended up with 4 pts (2-8 FG, 0-5 3P), 7 ast, 2 stls, 5 TOs. A few nice passes though. The vision is definitely there.

[LoveMyRaps]

Egor ended up with 4 pts (2-8 FG, 0-5 3P), 7 ast, 2 stls, 5 TOs

He was being overhyped at the start of the season playing against weak competition.

He's your average joe. Nothing special about the kid.

[LoveMyRaps]

So many of y'all are gonna be dead wrong about Ace.

[Reeko]

Egor ended up with 4 pts (2-8 FG, 0-5 3P), 7 ast, 2 stls, 5 TOs. A few nice passes though. The vision is definitely there.

Did you watch the whole game? What kind of coverage was he seeing on offense? Was he seeing a lot of double teams?

[Jstock12]

So many of y'all are gonna be dead wrong about Ace.

If only we could give Ace Demin's vision, that would be a consensus #1

[BrunoSkull]

Egor ended up with 4 pts (2-8 FG, 0-5 3P), 7 ast, 2 stls, 5 TOs. A few nice passes though. The vision is definitely there.

Did you watch the whole game? What kind of coverage was he seeing on offense? Was he seeing a lot of double teams?

Wasn't much of double team, he was quite stationary staying behind the 3 point line outside the top, but dishing out bullet passes to corner shooters and spot guys off the cut to the rim, quite passive rather defer not looking to score since his teammates were hot shooting.

[Jstock12]

Egor ended up with 4 pts (2-8 FG, 0-5 3P), 7 ast, 2 stls, 5 TOs. A few nice passes though. The vision is definitely there.

Did you watch the whole game? What kind of coverage was he seeing on offense? Was he seeing a lot of double teams?

Unfortunately not, cant tell much. Caught a **** stream but only for a few minutes.

[Brinbe]

Strong game for Edgecombe, he def needed one of these

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[Jstock12]

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Really glad I never sold his stock

[Jstock12]

I wonder if there's a timeline where Demin decides to stay in BYU for another year and join forces with AJ Dybantsa.

[BrunoSkull]

A few non-raptors posters before questioned about Demin's dribble, I agree watching him today, he has high gravity dribble, lack of east-west, but since he's so quick at spotting guys open, just simple dribble penetration off pnr can open up room for others easily. He throws one-handed bullet pass most of the time, pretty nasty skill.

I worry about his defense, he has quick hands and long arms to bother his own man, but he's caught watching others many times, defensive awareness is questionable, leaving his guys open yet ASU didn't exploit these opportunities, barely passing to the guys Demin's covering. They played zone, masking Demin's on-ball struggles. Quicker guys can drive by Demin.

[Reeko]

Egor ended up with 4 pts (2-8 FG, 0-5 3P), 7 ast, 2 stls, 5 TOs. A few nice passes though. The vision is definitely there.

Did you watch the whole game? What kind of coverage was he seeing on offense? Was he seeing a lot of double teams?

Wasn't much of double team, he was quite stationary staying behind the 3 point line outside the top, but dishing out bullet passes to corner shooters and spot guys off the cut to the rim, quite passive rather defer not looking to score since his teammates were hot shooting.

Nice skill, not sure if that's what we need though.

[BrunoSkull]

Did you watch the whole game? What kind of coverage was he seeing on offense? Was he seeing a lot of double teams?

Wasn't much of double team, he was quite stationary staying behind the 3 point line outside the top, but dishing out bullet passes to corner shooters and spot guys off the cut to the rim, quite passive rather defer not looking to score since his teammates were hot shooting.

Nice skill, not sure if that's what we need though.

Yeah we need alpha scorer, Demin was my top 3 guy when he averaged 17 pts in first 4 games but since facing stronger competitions, last 3 games were 4 points, 6 pts and 8 pts. Makes me question his scoring repertoire, and unless he's a 2-way, I can't stomach watching Demin/Dick/IQ on the same floor playing D. Plus, we don't need another wing to run our team anyways.