2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2

[batterybro42]

There is absolutely the Riley argument that we paid Jimmy to be the max player - He is paid more than Giannis, LeBron, AD, Luka, etc. He is the 11th highest paid player and only 2.5 mill off being the 2nd highest paid in the league. We always talk about not getting him a star, he is/was the star. We look at the Denver finals as a miracle run, Riley may look at it like, well that's what a max superstar should do, will their team to championships.

But you can definitely see Jimmy's side that he never got the support to win. I think that's the problem with max capped contracts, is Jimmy a secondary player in need of an alpha, or is he the alpha?

He wants to live in a fantasy world where he can coast every night be a top 4 seed and play a support role while winning a title where he gets paid like a top 10 talent in the league. If that isn’t the case than the Heat are the bad guys for only surrounding him with an All Star guard in Herro, and the best role player in the NBA Bam, along with vets like Rozier, Duncan, and Love.

Watch this team play without him and we look like a true superstar away from being a contender, he plays and we don’t look any better, maybe even worse.

This is a guy acting like a 12 year old unable to grasp the fact that his best days are behind him and if he wants to win a ring he needs to accept that. Wade didn’t understand it until he was on his knees with the Cavs after listening to everybody who tried to tell him Riley and Arison were disrespecting his greatness.

[twix2500]

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He doesnt know it but Carlos college career would of been different if I didnt turn down an opportunity

I’m giving you 50 at minimum

Im 25 sucka

[ZoStrong]

This front office (for better or worse) has a hardline attitude about extending/re-signing players. Butler for years has said he loves Miami, wants to retire with the Heat, etc. But when it came time for him to back that talk up, it really is just about the size of his next extension. I don’t blame Butler one bit, but clearly he really doesn’t care if he’s in Miami or not.

I bet if we put a proper team around him he'd be willing to negotiate more. We didn't so why should he lose money to never win a title despite dragging us there twice miraculously. He saw first hand already how that worked for Wade.

It's not that dramatic. Players are unionized. Unless there's a legit reason, the union, agents, and most players want to maximize their earnings. Which helps other union members in future deals. It's all business most of the time.
Butler n his agency can't take a big pay cut to stay if there are several max offers out there. A player is going against the union at that pt.
Now, I don't think there will be several 4 yr max offers after the season waiting for him. If that's true, we might have a good chance to sign him at a reasonable contract

[twix2500]

This front office (for better or worse) has a hardline attitude about extending/re-signing players. Butler for years has said he loves Miami, wants to retire with the Heat, etc. But when it came time for him to back that talk up, it really is just about the size of his next extension. I don’t blame Butler one bit, but clearly he really doesn’t care if he’s in Miami or not.

I bet if we put a proper team around him he'd be willing to negotiate more. We didn't so why should he lose money to never win a title despite dragging us there twice miraculously. He saw first hand already how that worked for Wade.

It's not that dramatic. Players are unionized. Unless there's a legit reason, the union, agents, and most players want to maximize their earnings. Which helps other union members in future deals. It's all business most of the time.
Butler n his agency can't take a big pay cut to stay if there are several max offers out there. A player is going against the union at that pt.
Now, I don't think there will be several 4 yr max offers after the season waiting for him. If that's true, we might have a good chance to sign him at a reasonable contract

C'Mon really Serial

[SerialChiller]

This front office (for better or worse) has a hardline attitude about extending/re-signing players. Butler for years has said he loves Miami, wants to retire with the Heat, etc. But when it came time for him to back that talk up, it really is just about the size of his next extension. I don’t blame Butler one bit, but clearly he really doesn’t care if he’s in Miami or not.

I bet if we put a proper team around him he'd be willing to negotiate more. We didn't so why should he lose money to never win a title despite dragging us there twice miraculously. He saw first hand already how that worked for Wade.

It's not that dramatic. Players are unionized. Unless there's a legit reason, the union, agents, and most players want to maximize their earnings. Which helps other union members in future deals. It's all business most of the time.
Butler n his agency can't take a big pay cut to stay if there are several max offers out there. A player is going against the union at that pt.
Now, I don't think there will be several 4 yr max offers after the season waiting for him. If that's true, we might have a good chance to sign him at a reasonable contract

It's just my opinion that why would he give up a penny for a franchise that tried to half contend half develop youth and failed at both with his limited window. I'd be pissed if I were him too and demand every dollar to stay for more of this BS. The dude miraculously dragged us to the finals twice without any semblance of a contending roster around him.

[Kobewade11]

It's just my opinion that why would he give up a penny for a franchise that tried to half contend half develop youth and failed at both with his limited window. I'd be pissed if I were him too and demand every dollar to stay for more of this BS.

He signed here to be the lead guy. If he didn’t want that he could have signed with a more ready made team. They’ve had a few cracks at a title and just havent gotten it done, but its been a mutually beneficial partnership despite the narratives people are pushing. Jimmy has gotten to compete at levels he’s never been on the professional level (and has been well compensated in doing so) and as an organization we have gotten to enjoy being relevant and competing at the highest level. We have got to stop painting this situation as one extreme or the other and acknowledge/appreciate that grey area.

[twix2500]

I bet if we put a proper team around him he'd be willing to negotiate more. We didn't so why should he lose money to never win a title despite dragging us there twice miraculously. He saw first hand already how that worked for Wade.

It's not that dramatic. Players are unionized. Unless there's a legit reason, the union, agents, and most players want to maximize their earnings. Which helps other union members in future deals. It's all business most of the time.
Butler n his agency can't take a big pay cut to stay if there are several max offers out there. A player is going against the union at that pt.
Now, I don't think there will be several 4 yr max offers after the season waiting for him. If that's true, we might have a good chance to sign him at a reasonable contract

It's just my opinion that why would he give up a penny for a franchise that tried to half contend half develop youth and failed at both with his limited window. I'd be pissed if I were him too and demand every dollar to stay for more of this BS. The dude miraculously dragged us to the finals twice without any semblance of a contending roster around him.

Butler didnt drag the Heat to his first finals. Duncan Bam and Dragic were big parts of that, Herro, Dragic and Bam injury is what many feels the Heat didnt win the title. We need to stop this doom or gloom description of the Heat build around Butler. Just because the Heat didnt add a mega star like Harden or Lillard, deosnt mean they didnt build well around Butler. They actually did build right around Butler. Certian individuals health failed the roster.

[SerialChiller]

I bet if we put a proper team around him he'd be willing to negotiate more. We didn't so why should he lose money to never win a title despite dragging us there twice miraculously. He saw first hand already how that worked for Wade.

It's not that dramatic. Players are unionized. Unless there's a legit reason, the union, agents, and most players want to maximize their earnings. Which helps other union members in future deals. It's all business most of the time.
Butler n his agency can't take a big pay cut to stay if there are several max offers out there. A player is going against the union at that pt.
Now, I don't think there will be several 4 yr max offers after the season waiting for him. If that's true, we might have a good chance to sign him at a reasonable contract

C'Mon really Serial

C'mon really what? We all know they had no business contending Jimmy made it actually happen despite a lackluster roster that had no size or secondary scoring. Seriously what was I wrong about there I'd love to know.

[SerialChiller]

It's not that dramatic. Players are unionized. Unless there's a legit reason, the union, agents, and most players want to maximize their earnings. Which helps other union members in future deals. It's all business most of the time.
Butler n his agency can't take a big pay cut to stay if there are several max offers out there. A player is going against the union at that pt.
Now, I don't think there will be several 4 yr max offers after the season waiting for him. If that's true, we might have a good chance to sign him at a reasonable contract

It's just my opinion that why would he give up a penny for a franchise that tried to half contend half develop youth and failed at both with his limited window. I'd be pissed if I were him too and demand every dollar to stay for more of this BS. The dude miraculously dragged us to the finals twice without any semblance of a contending roster around him.

Butler didnt drag the Heat to his first finals. Duncan Bam and Dragic were big parts of that, Herro, Dragic and Bam injury is what many feels the Heat didnt win the title. We need to stop this doom or gloom description of the Heat build around Butler. Just because the Heat didnt add a mega star like Harden or Lillard, deosnt mean they didnt build well around Butler. They actually did build right around Butler. Certian individuals health failed the roster.

I'll certainly agree that Dragic was exactly the guy we needed, a scorer and playmaker who was tough and once he was gone our chances were too.

[twix2500]

It's just my opinion that why would he give up a penny for a franchise that tried to half contend half develop youth and failed at both with his limited window. I'd be pissed if I were him too and demand every dollar to stay for more of this BS. The dude miraculously dragged us to the finals twice without any semblance of a contending roster around him.

Butler didnt drag the Heat to his first finals. Duncan Bam and Dragic were big parts of that, Herro, Dragic and Bam injury is what many feels the Heat didnt win the title. We need to stop this doom or gloom description of the Heat build around Butler. Just because the Heat didnt add a mega star like Harden or Lillard, deosnt mean they didnt build well around Butler. They actually did build right around Butler. Certian individuals health failed the roster.

I'll certainly agree that Dragic was exactly the guy we needed, a scorer and playmaker who was tough and once he was gone our chances were too.

The size thing is Spo not the management. Remember Spo had Olynyk and Leonard and they were both having good seasons, then playoff comes and Spo goes small. That is Spo not the roster. Spo played Tucker at center because thats Spo scheme he likes. Spo plays Love at center because thats the scheme he likes. If the Heat makes the playoffs, I bet Ware will not see the light of day.

The 2021-22 season the Heat had the best record in the East and missed the finals because Jimmy missed the winning shot dispite Herro being hurt again and Duncan mentally collapsed and Morris back got destroyed by Jokic that year.

[SerialChiller]

Butler didnt drag the Heat to his first finals. Duncan Bam and Dragic were big parts of that, Herro, Dragic and Bam injury is what many feels the Heat didnt win the title. We need to stop this doom or gloom description of the Heat build around Butler. Just because the Heat didnt add a mega star like Harden or Lillard, deosnt mean they didnt build well around Butler. They actually did build right around Butler. Certian individuals health failed the roster.

I'll certainly agree that Dragic was exactly the guy we needed, a scorer and playmaker who was tough and once he was gone our chances were too.

The size thing is Spo not the management. Remember Spo had Olynyk and Leonard and they were both having good seasons, then playoff comes and Spo goes small. That is Spo not the roster. Spo played Tucker at center because thats Spo scheme he likes. Spo plays Love at center because thats the scheme he likes. If the Heat makes the playoffs, I bet Ware will not see the light of day.

The 2021-22 season the Heat had the best record in the East and missed the finals because Jimmy missed the winning shot dispite Herro being hurt again and Duncan mentally collapsed and Morris back got destroyed by Jokic that year.

Any criticism of Spo is absolutely preaching to the quire with me...he's imo the biggest problem with this team haha.

[twix2500]

The only real failure IMO as far as a player the Heat could have actually gotten was Chris Paul. They should have gave Houston what they wanted.

[SerialChiller]

Meh...Butler Hero Paul they are all never healthy do you think they'd all do so at once for a full postseason. And if so win with no size up front.

[twix2500]

Meh...Butler Hero Paul they are all never healthy do you think they'd all do so at once for a full postseason.

That was the hold back, but Paul proved to stay healthy ever since.

[SerialChiller]

Meh...Butler Hero Paul they are all never healthy do you think they'd all do so at once for a full postseason.

That was the hold back, but Paul proved to stay healthy ever since.

But we've been without Herro and then without Butler the last 2 playoffs.

[twix2500]

Meh...Butler Hero Paul they are all never healthy do you think they'd all do so at once for a full postseason.

That was the hold back, but Paul proved to stay healthy ever since.

But we've been without Herro and then without Butler the last 2 playoffs.

Wait was Paul and Heat issue about his contract not the actually trade right? Were is Contract he better than me on these contract issues.

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Adrian Wojnarowski: “When Oklahoma City got him this summer, their plan was to try to flip him somewhere else. They hoped Miami would be willing to talk about a deal and that never got anywhere. But maybe the Heat get off to a bad start… Maybe they look at this again. And other teams.”

5 years ago – via Twitter flasportsbuzz
Miami not expecting to land Chris Paul
Barry Jackson: Big difference in how OKC&Heat view Paul trade,and why Heat isn’t expecting it to materialize,at this point.OKC thinks it’s giving Heat great asset& shouldn’t need to entice Miami. Miami greatly respects Paul but feels like it’s doing OKC favor(taking big $)&should be compensated

5 years ago – via Twitter flasportsbuzz
Barry Jackson: As we reported in mid July, Heat interest is lukewarm. Heat would need to get draft picks back and have comfort level that Paul would opt out of 44 M in summer of 21 so Miami can pursue top free agent.

Was it possible for the Heat if they were to give in on some of their demands to have both Paul, Iggy and Gallinari?

PG: Paul - Nunn
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: Gallinari
Ce: Adebayo

[SerialChiller]

That was the hold back, but Paul proved to stay healthy ever since.

But we've been without Herro and then without Butler the last 2 playoffs.

Wait was Paul and Heat issue about his contract not the actually trade right? Were is Contract he better than me on these contract issues.

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Adrian Wojnarowski: “When Oklahoma City got him this summer, their plan was to try to flip him somewhere else. They hoped Miami would be willing to talk about a deal and that never got anywhere. But maybe the Heat get off to a bad start… Maybe they look at this again. And other teams.”

5 years ago – via Twitter flasportsbuzz
Miami not expecting to land Chris Paul


Honestly I don't even remember the Paul stuff if it even was close to happening? Not really sure where you are taking this convo.
Barry Jackson: Big difference in how OKC&Heat view Paul trade,and why Heat isn’t expecting it to materialize,at this point.OKC thinks it’s giving Heat great asset& shouldn’t need to entice Miami. Miami greatly respects Paul but feels like it’s doing OKC favor(taking big $)&should be compensated

5 years ago – via Twitter flasportsbuzz
Barry Jackson: As we reported in mid July, Heat interest is lukewarm. Heat would need to get draft picks back and have comfort level that Paul would opt out of 44 M in summer of 21 so Miami can pursue top free agent.

Was it possible for the Heat if they were to give in on some of their demands to have both Paul, Iggy and Gallinari?

PG: Paul - Nunn
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: Gallinari
Ce: Adebayo

I honestly don't even recall any of this Paul stuff regardless and am not sure why or where you are trying to take this convo tbh.

[twix2500]

But we've been without Herro and then without Butler the last 2 playoffs.

Wait was Paul and Heat issue about his contract not the actually trade right? Were is Contract he better than me on these contract issues.

Read on Twitter

Adrian Wojnarowski: “When Oklahoma City got him this summer, their plan was to try to flip him somewhere else. They hoped Miami would be willing to talk about a deal and that never got anywhere. But maybe the Heat get off to a bad start… Maybe they look at this again. And other teams.”

5 years ago – via Twitter flasportsbuzz
Miami not expecting to land Chris Paul


Honestly I don't even remember the Paul stuff if it even was close to happening? Not really sure where you are taking this convo.
Barry Jackson: Big difference in how OKC&Heat view Paul trade,and why Heat isn’t expecting it to materialize,at this point.OKC thinks it’s giving Heat great asset& shouldn’t need to entice Miami. Miami greatly respects Paul but feels like it’s doing OKC favor(taking big $)&should be compensated

5 years ago – via Twitter flasportsbuzz
Barry Jackson: As we reported in mid July, Heat interest is lukewarm. Heat would need to get draft picks back and have comfort level that Paul would opt out of 44 M in summer of 21 so Miami can pursue top free agent.

Was it possible for the Heat if they were to give in on some of their demands to have both Paul, Iggy and Gallinari?

PG: Paul - Nunn
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: Gallinari
Ce: Adebayo

I honestly don't even recall any of this Paul stuff regardless and am not sure why or where you are trying to take this convo tbh.

I am just having a conversation. Wasnt trying to debate. Trying to think of the trades the Heat actually had the option to turn down that may have made a difference. The Harden and Lillard trades wasnt in the Heats hands to make a decision on. Westbrook, Gallinari, Paul, Beal I think were the only trades the Heat could really have had.

[SerialChiller]

Wait was Paul and Heat issue about his contract not the actually trade right? Were is Contract he better than me on these contract issues.



Was it possible for the Heat if they were to give in on some of their demands to have both Paul, Iggy and Gallinari?

PG: Paul - Nunn
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: Gallinari
Ce: Adebayo

I honestly don't even recall any of this Paul stuff regardless and am not sure why or where you are trying to take this convo tbh.

I am just having a conversation. Wasnt trying to debate. Trying to think of the trades the Heat actually had the option to turn down that may have made a difference. The Harden and Lillard trades wasnt in the Heats hands to make a decision on.

No worries man I like convos as well just was on edge since you sort of called me out to start it by saying seriously? That put me on defense but all good I like to trade opinions and ideas all in good fun and always keep in mind we on the same side just wanting our team to win.

[AirP.]

That was the hold back, but Paul proved to stay healthy ever since.

But we've been without Herro and then without Butler the last 2 playoffs.

Wait was Paul and Heat issue about his contract not the actually trade right? Were is Contract he better than me on these contract issues.

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Spoiler:

Adrian Wojnarowski: “When Oklahoma City got him this summer, their plan was to try to flip him somewhere else. They hoped Miami would be willing to talk about a deal and that never got anywhere. But maybe the Heat get off to a bad start… Maybe they look at this again. And other teams.”

5 years ago – via Twitter flasportsbuzz
Miami not expecting to land Chris Paul
Barry Jackson: Big difference in how OKC&Heat view Paul trade,and why Heat isn’t expecting it to materialize,at this point.OKC thinks it’s giving Heat great asset& shouldn’t need to entice Miami. Miami greatly respects Paul but feels like it’s doing OKC favor(taking big $)&should be compensated

5 years ago – via Twitter flasportsbuzz
Barry Jackson: As we reported in mid July, Heat interest is lukewarm. Heat would need to get draft picks back and have comfort level that Paul would opt out of 44 M in summer of 21 so Miami can pursue top free agent.

Was it possible for the Heat if they were to give in on some of their demands to have both Paul, Iggy and Gallinari?

PG: Paul - Nunn
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: Gallinari
Ce: Adebayo

Before the season, maybe. Halfway through season no, CP3 was in the MVP race that season and the next 2 seasons. I kept posting about how well CP3 played.

OKC was just looking to offload CP3 since they got 2 1st in that Westbrook trade, for whatever reason Miami thought they should have gotten assets at first, later it seems they got past that and the sticking point was CP3s player option which ate up the cap space that Miami's FO thought they were going to use on Giannis.

This is all I can find back in 2019 at this point, some tweets have been removed since then. What's funny is that he played so well (which he did in Houston when not playing with Harden) he declined his player option that Miami wanted him to decline to sign another big contract.

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