Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8

[raincityraptors]

Barnes is in his 4th year shooting 27% from 3 and averaging 4 turnovers a game.

What other team or organization would feed his delusions of being a point guard?

He doesn't have the tools to play that position but he can still be a great wing creator/finisher.

He needs to work on his screens, pick and roll finishing and post/mid range craft.

If the guards can do it, why can't he? Why does he get away with this?

The man is about to start earning he max.

The team is watching Scottie hijack the whole offense to chuck 3s early in the clock and no one is holding him accountable.

It's time to stop coddling him and putting him in the positions he will succeed in - even if they don't fulfill his fantasy.

Is this organizational incompetence or player selfishness or both?

[MiamiSPX]

I don't see the purpose of him taking pull up 3s ever. That's something an above average 3 pt shooter should be doing, if appropriate. Defenses aren't going to respect that shot and you're just doing them a favour every time.

Down by 15, you're 0-5 from 3....and you take a pull up 3 only 7 seconds into the shot clock. Anyone trying to rationalize that (which thankfully, I haven't seen), is on drugs. I am still pretty high on Scottie but that, to me, is either lack of IQ or a "FU" to the coach and FO. I would have yanked him after that, although our coach will say he wants him to attempt those even more. What we're seeing just doesn't make any sense.

[TorontoBarneys]

I don't see the purpose of him taking pull up 3s ever. That's something an above average 3 pt shooter should be doing, if appropriate. Defenses aren't going to respect that shot and you're just doing them a favour every time.

Down by 15, you're 0-5 from 3....and you take a pull up 3 only 7 seconds into the shot clock. Anyone trying to rationalize that (which thankfully, I haven't seen), is on drugs. I am still pretty high on Scottie but that, to me, is either lack of IQ or a "FU" to the coach and FO. I would have yanked him after that, although our coach will say he wants him to attempt those even more. What we're seeing just doesn't make any sense.

Not many people will admit it especially after the scandal with him, but who we really needed on the Raps was Udoka.

[Raps in 4]

Barnes is in his 4th year shooting 27% from 3 and averaging 4 turnovers a game.

What other team or organization would feed his delusions of being a point guard?

He doesn't have the tools to play that position but he can still be a great wing creator/finisher.

He needs to work on his screens, pick and roll finishing and post/mid range craft.

If the guards can do it, why can't he? Why does he get away with this?

The man is about to start earning he max.

The team is watching Scottie hijack the whole offense to chuck 3s early in the clock and no one is holding him accountable.

It's time to stop coddling him and putting him in the positions he will succeed in - even if they don't fulfill his fantasy.

Is this organizational incompetence or player selfishness or both?

We're encouraging him to jack up 3s. I too would rather we develop him as a PF. He can still create on offence, but most of his scoring should come from the post/mid-range.

But it's still early enough in his career that I'm also fine with us trying to develop his shot. It's not like we're trying to win right now.

[HangTime]

Can people wait until Scottie's actually healthy?

Last year he started hot, and things starting falling-off becasue becasue he was adjusting to OG's defencive role, which allowed RJ and IQ to be integrated into the offence.

This year's eye and and ankle injury are affecting his shot, and he's still playing hurt.
The spacing doesn't help at the moment, but him shooting with the injury is kind of a blessing, now.

When he starts making those 3s when he's healthy, defences will have to respect it, and close-out, opening up driving lanes.

Add in a few spacers, and then you'll see the Scottie that us believers see.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I don't see the purpose of him taking pull up 3s ever. That's something an above average 3 pt shooter should be doing, if appropriate. Defenses aren't going to respect that shot and you're just doing them a favour every time.

Down by 15, you're 0-5 from 3....and you take a pull up 3 only 7 seconds into the shot clock. Anyone trying to rationalize that (which thankfully, I haven't seen), is on drugs. I am still pretty high on Scottie but that, to me, is either lack of IQ or a "FU" to the coach and FO. I would have yanked him after that, although our coach will say he wants him to attempt those even more. What we're seeing just doesn't make any sense.

The coach wants him taking those shots. It's been like this all year. Losing culture.

[Tha Cynic]

I don't see the purpose of him taking pull up 3s ever. That's something an above average 3 pt shooter should be doing, if appropriate. Defenses aren't going to respect that shot and you're just doing them a favour every time.

Down by 15, you're 0-5 from 3....and you take a pull up 3 only 7 seconds into the shot clock. Anyone trying to rationalize that (which thankfully, I haven't seen), is on drugs. I am still pretty high on Scottie but that, to me, is either lack of IQ or a "FU" to the coach and FO. I would have yanked him after that, although our coach will say he wants him to attempt those even more. What we're seeing just doesn't make any sense.

The coach wants him taking those shots. It's been like this all year. Losing culture.

I really hope the coach is asking him and wants him to take those shots, because the alternative is worse

He was definitely making better decisions before his injury though, so hoping nothing clicks here.

[TakeYourHeart]

Down by 15, you're 0-5 from 3....and you take a pull up 3 only 7 seconds into the shot clock. Anyone trying to rationalize that (which thankfully, I haven't seen), is on drugs. I am still pretty high on Scottie but that, to me, is either lack of IQ or a "FU" to the coach and FO. I would have yanked him after that, although our coach will say he wants him to attempt those even more. What we're seeing just doesn't make any sense.

The coach wants him taking those shots. It's been like this all year. Losing culture.

I really hope the coach is asking him and wants him to take those shots, because the alternative is worse

He was definitely making better decisions before his injury though, so hoping nothing clicks here.

In the Grizzlies game, Bane (who credits Darko for his development) took quite a few pull up 3s in transition. So you can see that this is part of Darko's guard development package. The only difference is Bane hit them and Scottie's bricking them lol

[Tha Cynic]

The coach wants him taking those shots. It's been like this all year. Losing culture.

I really hope the coach is asking him and wants him to take those shots, because the alternative is worse

He was definitely making better decisions before his injury though, so hoping nothing clicks here.

In the Grizzlies game, Bane (who credits Darko for his development) took quite a few pull up 3s in transition. So you can see that this is part of Darko's guard development package. The only difference is Bane hit them and Scottie's bricking them lol

If this was the game plan for IQ, Walter, Dick, etc I would understand. This is for their strongest player who has the build for a power game and no shooting ability from the perimeter. This makes no sense lol. Before he can hit pullup 3s he needs the handles to be able to dribble up and take those shots.

His midrange jumper looks good but the craft to get into it looks raw. He needs to perfect his midrange game and develop his go to turnaround jumper more. The training plan seems to be all over the place. I'd rather he focus on his footwork, keeping defenders at the hip and rising for the jumper. I always felt he was a Garnett type, but they're forcing these guard stuff. Not a fan of it.

[ForeverTFC]

I don't see the purpose of him taking pull up 3s ever. That's something an above average 3 pt shooter should be doing, if appropriate. Defenses aren't going to respect that shot and you're just doing them a favour every time.

Down by 15, you're 0-5 from 3....and you take a pull up 3 only 7 seconds into the shot clock. Anyone trying to rationalize that (which thankfully, I haven't seen), is on drugs. I am still pretty high on Scottie but that, to me, is either lack of IQ or a "FU" to the coach and FO. I would have yanked him after that, although our coach will say he wants him to attempt those even more. What we're seeing just doesn't make any sense.

Part of it is the coaches asking him to take those shots. And part of it is his immaturity.

It hurts me to say this, but Doug and Grange and the rest of the media guys aren't going to make things up. They are a mouthpiece for others (everything Grange writes and reports now come from his overlords at Rogers), but they are still being fed information. There has been too much made already about Scottie not taking things seriously and not being mature enough in the locker room to think there is nothing to it.

He's still young so I don't think there is reason to be alarmed still. And the losing definitely won't help. But his attitude needs to start evolving. It would be great to see him take some responsibility and try to take all of it on to his shoulders. He won't be able to, but would be great to see him try.

[AbC?]

Good complementary player. I think the best way for him to help this franchise long-term is to find a good trade package.

[HumbleRen]

Good complementary player. I think the best way for him to help this franchise long-term is to find a good trade package.

I think we’re better off keeping him but if he’s adamant in being a PG/Lead ball handler, then yeah trade him.

He’s the missing piece a lot of contenders would want but I think it’s pretty clear at this point that he isn’t a floor raiser or an elite advantage creator.

He’s a great passer but he’s not a great advantage creator and that alone makes him not a first option player.

[PushDaRock]

Good complementary player. I think the best way for him to help this franchise long-term is to find a good trade package.

I think we’re better off keeping him but if he’s adamant in being a PG/Lead ball handler, then yeah trade him.

He’s the missing piece a lot of contenders would want but I think it’s pretty clear at this point that he isn’t a floor raiser or an elite advantage creator.

He’s a great passer but he’s not a great advantage creator and that alone makes him not a first option player.

He's likely a Lamar Odom type player on a championship team.

[HumbleRen]

Good complementary player. I think the best way for him to help this franchise long-term is to find a good trade package.

I think we’re better off keeping him but if he’s adamant in being a PG/Lead ball handler, then yeah trade him.

He’s the missing piece a lot of contenders would want but I think it’s pretty clear at this point that he isn’t a floor raiser or an elite advantage creator.

He’s a great passer but he’s not a great advantage creator and that alone makes him not a first option player.

He's likely a Lamar Odom type player on a championship team.

I think he’ll be much better than that but essentially that role yeah.

Unless he suddenly develops the necessary foot speed and ball handling ability to be an elite driver.

[SFour]

Barnes is in his 4th year shooting 27% from 3 and averaging 4 turnovers a game.

What other team or organization would feed his delusions of being a point guard?

He doesn't have the tools to play that position but he can still be a great wing creator/finisher.

He needs to work on his screens, pick and roll finishing and post/mid range craft.

If the guards can do it, why can't he? Why does he get away with this?

The man is about to start earning he max.

The team is watching Scottie hijack the whole offense to chuck 3s early in the clock and no one is holding him accountable.

It's time to stop coddling him and putting him in the positions he will succeed in - even if they don't fulfill his fantasy.

Is this organizational incompetence or player selfishness or both?

IQ being injured the majority of the season is the reason why they can experiment with Barnes being the PG in a tanking/developmental season.....the experiment will be over for sure if they get the chance to add a player like Harper.

[Thaddy]

Barnes is in his 4th year shooting 27% from 3 and averaging 4 turnovers a game.

What other team or organization would feed his delusions of being a point guard?

He doesn't have the tools to play that position but he can still be a great wing creator/finisher.

He needs to work on his screens, pick and roll finishing and post/mid range craft.

If the guards can do it, why can't he? Why does he get away with this?

The man is about to start earning he max.

The team is watching Scottie hijack the whole offense to chuck 3s early in the clock and no one is holding him accountable.

It's time to stop coddling him and putting him in the positions he will succeed in - even if they don't fulfill his fantasy.

Is this organizational incompetence or player selfishness or both?

Giannis was a PG under Kidd for a whole year. I would let Barnes continue doing this and try to find footing while we tank and rebuild.

[Badonkadonk]

Barnes is in his 4th year shooting 27% from 3 and averaging 4 turnovers a game.

What other team or organization would feed his delusions of being a point guard?

He doesn't have the tools to play that position but he can still be a great wing creator/finisher.

He needs to work on his screens, pick and roll finishing and post/mid range craft.

If the guards can do it, why can't he? Why does he get away with this?

The man is about to start earning he max.

The team is watching Scottie hijack the whole offense to chuck 3s early in the clock and no one is holding him accountable.

It's time to stop coddling him and putting him in the positions he will succeed in - even if they don't fulfill his fantasy.

Is this organizational incompetence or player selfishness or both?

Neither, weird take overall.

The team is going to keep putting him in a stretch role until they're satisfied that he's maximized his development.

He may or may not ever stabilize at 33% or higher from three, or develop in other areas. But it is 100% expected and rational behaviour for the team to keep putting him (and the other younger players) in those positions, especially in a season like this.

[Tripod]

I don't see the purpose of him taking pull up 3s ever. That's something an above average 3 pt shooter should be doing, if appropriate. Defenses aren't going to respect that shot and you're just doing them a favour every time.

Down by 15, you're 0-5 from 3....and you take a pull up 3 only 7 seconds into the shot clock. Anyone trying to rationalize that (which thankfully, I haven't seen), is on drugs. I am still pretty high on Scottie but that, to me, is either lack of IQ or a "FU" to the coach and FO. I would have yanked him after that, although our coach will say he wants him to attempt those even more. What we're seeing just doesn't make any sense.

Part of it is the coaches asking him to take those shots. And part of it is his immaturity.

It hurts me to say this, but Doug and Grange and the rest of the media guys aren't going to make things up. They are a mouthpiece for others (everything Grange writes and reports now come from his overlords at Rogers), but they are still being fed information. There has been too much made already about Scottie not taking things seriously and not being mature enough in the locker room to think there is nothing to it.

He's still young so I don't think there is reason to be alarmed still. And the losing definitely won't help. But his attitude needs to start evolving. It would be great to see him take some responsibility and try to take all of it on to his shoulders. He won't be able to, but would be great to see him try.

Literally last game he said it starts with him when it came to being better.

But few acknowledge it.

[ArthurVandelay]

It has been an incredibly rough stretch for the team and Scottie. Frustrations are high no doubt.

Did anyone look at who played today? Outside Scottie and Poeltl, who was in the starting line up and rotation?

Mitchell (backuo/3rd string PG)
Ja’Kobe (rookie)
Agbaji (good role player, not a starter talent sorry)
Shead (rookie 2nd round pick)
Brown (not a starter, great back up coming off knee injury and nearly a year off)
Olynk (career trailing off into sunset)
Boucher (love the effort but overall ugh)
Battle (2-way undrafted rookie)


This is a roster very much in development and transition. There is a real and significant talent deficit on the court right now. Some guys on the court today will improve and most won’t be here in a season or two.

[ForeverTFC]

Down by 15, you're 0-5 from 3....and you take a pull up 3 only 7 seconds into the shot clock. Anyone trying to rationalize that (which thankfully, I haven't seen), is on drugs. I am still pretty high on Scottie but that, to me, is either lack of IQ or a "FU" to the coach and FO. I would have yanked him after that, although our coach will say he wants him to attempt those even more. What we're seeing just doesn't make any sense.

Part of it is the coaches asking him to take those shots. And part of it is his immaturity.

It hurts me to say this, but Doug and Grange and the rest of the media guys aren't going to make things up. They are a mouthpiece for others (everything Grange writes and reports now come from his overlords at Rogers), but they are still being fed information. There has been too much made already about Scottie not taking things seriously and not being mature enough in the locker room to think there is nothing to it.

He's still young so I don't think there is reason to be alarmed still. And the losing definitely won't help. But his attitude needs to start evolving. It would be great to see him take some responsibility and try to take all of it on to his shoulders. He won't be able to, but would be great to see him try.

Literally last game he said it starts with him when it came to being better.

But few acknowledge it.

It would be good to see it.

But you're probably right, I'm just looking for someone to blame for these awful performances and need to get over it.