Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8

[Tripod]

Part of it is the coaches asking him to take those shots. And part of it is his immaturity.

It hurts me to say this, but Doug and Grange and the rest of the media guys aren't going to make things up. They are a mouthpiece for others (everything Grange writes and reports now come from his overlords at Rogers), but they are still being fed information. There has been too much made already about Scottie not taking things seriously and not being mature enough in the locker room to think there is nothing to it.

He's still young so I don't think there is reason to be alarmed still. And the losing definitely won't help. But his attitude needs to start evolving. It would be great to see him take some responsibility and try to take all of it on to his shoulders. He won't be able to, but would be great to see him try.

Literally last game he said it starts with him when it came to being better.

But few acknowledge it.

It would be good to see it.

But you're probably right, I'm just looking for someone to blame for these awful performances and need to get over it.

They showed it pre-game I believe. It all runs together...lol.

[ForeverTFC]

Literally last game he said it starts with him when it came to being better.

But few acknowledge it.

It would be good to see it.

But you're probably right, I'm just looking for someone to blame for these awful performances and need to get over it.

They showed it pre-game I believe. It all runs together...lol.

Sorry, I meant see it on the court. But it's all good, I've cooled down now. Time to tap into the new years festivities.

[Tripod]

It would be good to see it.

But you're probably right, I'm just looking for someone to blame for these awful performances and need to get over it.

They showed it pre-game I believe. It all runs together...lol.

Sorry, I meant see it on the court. But it's all good, I've cooled down now. Time to tap into the new years festivities.

I agree....but we all have watched Barnes a lot. It's clear he isn't at 100%.

We have seen him take games over. We have seen him take over a whole 4th Q. That hasn't just vanished.

[Scase]

It has been an incredibly rough stretch for the team and Scottie. Frustrations are high no doubt.

Did anyone look at who played today? Outside Scottie and Poeltl, who was in the starting line up and rotation?

Mitchell (backuo/3rd string PG)
Ja’Kobe (rookie)
Agbaji (good role player, not a starter talent sorry)
Shead (rookie 2nd round pick)
Brown (not a starter, great back up coming off knee injury and nearly a year off)
Olynk (career trailing off into sunset)
Boucher (love the effort but overall ugh)
Battle (2-way undrafted rookie)


This is a roster very much in development and transition. There is a real and significant talent deficit on the court right now. Some guys on the court today will improve and most won’t be here in a season or two.

Scottie is playing like ass for sure, but man look at that roster. And their performance tonight, the TEAM shot 31% tonight, and as bad as Scottie was, he was still above that at 37%, and that is not an endorsement of Scottie at all.

Aint no one carrying that team performance to anything but a monumental loss.

[TakeYourHeart]

It has been an incredibly rough stretch for the team and Scottie. Frustrations are high no doubt.

Did anyone look at who played today? Outside Scottie and Poeltl, who was in the starting line up and rotation?

Mitchell (backuo/3rd string PG)
Ja’Kobe (rookie)
Agbaji (good role player, not a starter talent sorry)
Shead (rookie 2nd round pick)
Brown (not a starter, great back up coming off knee injury and nearly a year off)
Olynk (career trailing off into sunset)
Boucher (love the effort but overall ugh)
Battle (2-way undrafted rookie)


This is a roster very much in development and transition. There is a real and significant talent deficit on the court right now. Some guys on the court today will improve and most won’t be here in a season or two.

Of course, everyone plays better surrounded by better talent. But Scottie fading to this degree is damning indictment of his current abilities. He doesn't have to drag this lineup team to victory, but did he provide any lift at all? Get to the free throw line? Only free throw was a technical. 6 turnovers. That grades him out as a secondary player, someone that needs someone else to elevate him, on a team that is looking for Scottie to elevate them.

[Johnny Bball]

I don't see the purpose of him taking pull up 3s ever. That's something an above average 3 pt shooter should be doing, if appropriate. Defenses aren't going to respect that shot and you're just doing them a favour every time.

Down by 15, you're 0-5 from 3....and you take a pull up 3 only 7 seconds into the shot clock. Anyone trying to rationalize that (which thankfully, I haven't seen), is on drugs. I am still pretty high on Scottie but that, to me, is either lack of IQ or a "FU" to the coach and FO. I would have yanked him after that, although our coach will say he wants him to attempt those even more. What we're seeing just doesn't make any sense.

The coach wants him taking those shots. It's been like this all year. Losing culture.

That shot should just be almost banned under a full shot clock. By anyone. I've never seen a player where its a high percentage shot, or is better than catch and shoot percentages. I'm sure that player is out there somewhere, but he's never been on this team.

NBA has it sorted... it's generally a bad shot.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/pullup?dir=D&sort=PULL_UP_FG3A

For Barnes its worse than awful (last full season). He doesn't do it much thank god, but its still wasting a possession. And I don't know how many rebounds raptors get off those but it has to be far less.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/pullup?Season=2023-24&TeamID=1610612761&dir=D&sort=PULL_UP_FG3A

[ATLTimekeeper]

It has been an incredibly rough stretch for the team and Scottie. Frustrations are high no doubt.

Did anyone look at who played today? Outside Scottie and Poeltl, who was in the starting line up and rotation?

Mitchell (backuo/3rd string PG)
Ja’Kobe (rookie)
Agbaji (good role player, not a starter talent sorry)
Shead (rookie 2nd round pick)
Brown (not a starter, great back up coming off knee injury and nearly a year off)
Olynk (career trailing off into sunset)
Boucher (love the effort but overall ugh)
Battle (2-way undrafted rookie)


This is a roster very much in development and transition. There is a real and significant talent deficit on the court right now. Some guys on the court today will improve and most won’t be here in a season or two.

Pretty similar to the supporting cast that took the Celtics to OT, though.

[TorontoBarneys]

A little good vibes injection.

[Vorticity]

Scottie has the physical tools of a Batman and the mentality of an Alfred. He's hard-wired to be a role player. I've given up on him developing that disposition to dominate offensively. At this point, I'm just hoping the Raps can land a franchise cornerstone in the draft, and Scottie can take on a more defined complimentary role that suits him better.

mentally he's way much closer to a 2nd fiddle Bosh than an alpha Ant/Wade/LeBron type.

Some folks have been saying this from the beginning, but those who focus only on his star quality skills/BBIQ - which he's developing, we all agree and he verbally mentions desire for "winning" just like MU does all the time- miss the lacking mentality/mind aspect.

it's a pity where there's so much potential, but lacking that intensity aspect means he might never fully realize his potential and become a superstar.

[Tripod]

He isn't missing the intensity.

He is literally missing certain skills. But he can still be the 2nd most important person on a Championship level team...like Lowry was.

[anotherhomer]

i wish he just sat and recover from the ankle injury

[Indeed]

It has been an incredibly rough stretch for the team and Scottie. Frustrations are high no doubt.

Did anyone look at who played today? Outside Scottie and Poeltl, who was in the starting line up and rotation?

Mitchell (backuo/3rd string PG)
Ja’Kobe (rookie)
Agbaji (good role player, not a starter talent sorry)
Shead (rookie 2nd round pick)
Brown (not a starter, great back up coming off knee injury and nearly a year off)
Olynk (career trailing off into sunset)
Boucher (love the effort but overall ugh)
Battle (2-way undrafted rookie)


This is a roster very much in development and transition. There is a real and significant talent deficit on the court right now. Some guys on the court today will improve and most won’t be here in a season or two.

Of course, everyone plays better surrounded by better talent. But Scottie fading to this degree is damning indictment of his current abilities. He doesn't have to drag this lineup team to victory, but did he provide any lift at all? Get to the free throw line? Only free throw was a technical. 6 turnovers. That grades him out as a secondary player, someone that needs someone else to elevate him, on a team that is looking for Scottie to elevate them.

And I dont see Barrett taking that much of a drop when Barnes was not playing. Certainly Barrett has his TS dropped and may not perform well against Boston, but at least he should perform well against Atlanta.

The game with Barrett is more watchable, even with others being injured

[LoveMyRaps]

He's fine now. Let's not make excuses for his poor performances. He needs to be smarter with his shot selection.

[PushDaRock]

Down by 15, you're 0-5 from 3....and you take a pull up 3 only 7 seconds into the shot clock. Anyone trying to rationalize that (which thankfully, I haven't seen), is on drugs. I am still pretty high on Scottie but that, to me, is either lack of IQ or a "FU" to the coach and FO. I would have yanked him after that, although our coach will say he wants him to attempt those even more. What we're seeing just doesn't make any sense.

The coach wants him taking those shots. It's been like this all year. Losing culture.

That shot should just be almost banned under a full shot clock. By anyone. I've never seen a player where its a high percentage shot, or is better than catch and shoot percentages. I'm sure that player is out there somewhere, but he's never been on this team.

NBA has it sorted... it's generally a bad shot.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/pullup?dir=D&sort=PULL_UP_FG3A

For Barnes its worse than awful (last full season). He doesn't do it much thank god, but its still wasting a possession. And I don't know how many rebounds raptors get off those but it has to be far less.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/pullup?Season=2023-24&TeamID=1610612761&dir=D&sort=PULL_UP_FG3A

only excuse to take it is when you've made 3 or 4 in a row and it's a heat check that nobody can say anything about you taking

[Tripod]

He's fine now. Let's not make excuses for his poor performances. He needs to be smarter with his shot selection.

Sure...if you want to ignore Darko saying he isn't healthy. You do you.

Agreed on the rest...injuries shouldn't mean play dumb.

[HumbleRen]

It has been an incredibly rough stretch for the team and Scottie. Frustrations are high no doubt.

Did anyone look at who played today? Outside Scottie and Poeltl, who was in the starting line up and rotation?

Mitchell (backuo/3rd string PG)
Ja’Kobe (rookie)
Agbaji (good role player, not a starter talent sorry)
Shead (rookie 2nd round pick)
Brown (not a starter, great back up coming off knee injury and nearly a year off)
Olynk (career trailing off into sunset)
Boucher (love the effort but overall ugh)
Battle (2-way undrafted rookie)


This is a roster very much in development and transition. There is a real and significant talent deficit on the court right now. Some guys on the court today will improve and most won’t be here in a season or two.

Of course, everyone plays better surrounded by better talent. But Scottie fading to this degree is damning indictment of his current abilities. He doesn't have to drag this lineup team to victory, but did he provide any lift at all? Get to the free throw line? Only free throw was a technical. 6 turnovers. That grades him out as a secondary player, someone that needs someone else to elevate him, on a team that is looking for Scottie to elevate them.

And I dont see Barrett taking that much of a drop when Barnes was not playing. Certainly Barrett has his TS dropped and may not perform well against Boston, but at least he should perform well against Atlanta.

The game with Barrett is more watchable, even with others being injured

10+ TS change is a huge drop but the reason why RJ is more watchable is because he’s a downhill force.

Scottie doesn’t have that at all which indicates he’ll never have a real chance at being a real #1 option unless he becomes Kawhi from the 3 and mid range.

[Clay Davis]

He isn't missing the intensity.

He is literally missing certain skills. But he can still be the 2nd most important person on a Championship level team...like Lowry was.

I'd say more so. He could be the 2nd most important person on a championship team who can be the most important person on particular nights, and in particular series. Kinda like what PG's rizz would be if both he and Kawhi were healthy for an entire season + post-season lol.

[Tripod]

He isn't missing the intensity.

He is literally missing certain skills. But he can still be the 2nd most important person on a Championship level team...like Lowry was.

I'd say more so. He could be the 2nd most important person on a championship team who can be the most important person on particular nights, and in particular series. Kinda like what PG's rizz would be if both he and Kawhi were healthy for an entire season + post-season lol.

I think back to Lowry scoring the 1st 11 points in game 6 vs GSW in game 6. He set the tone.

[GoRapstheoriginal]

Looking great tonight with IQ his running mate back! Can't wait to see IQ/RJ/Scottie all play at the same time!

[ArthurVandelay]

I changed my mind. All you Scottie haters were right. He’s not that good.