2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 2

[twix2500]

By Michael Scotto | December 31, 2024

Golden State has done its due diligence on several notable players on the trade market, including but not limited to Jimmy Butler – whom Warriors general manager Mike Dunleavy Jr. played with in Chicago – Brandon Ingram, Cam Johnson, Zach LaVine, Nikola Vucevic, Kyle Kuzma, etc.

Butler is seemingly the top target, but Heat President Pat Riley has publicly denied he’ll be traded. Ingram’s ankle injury and impending free agency have complicated his trade value.

Johnson’s contract incentives are a factor the Warriors must take into account in any potential trade for him while navigating their luxury tax situation. Furthermore, talks between the Nets and Warriors regarding Johnson were always exploratory when they previously discussed a Schroder trade, league sources told HoopsHype. Warriors forward Jonathan Kuminga wasn’t discussed in a trade package at that time for Johnson, sources said.

Golden State is expected to remain active leading up to the trade deadline, league sources said. The Warriors can flip Schroder in a trade if needed, have young assets in Kuminga, Moses Moody and Brandin Podziemski, expiring contracts of Gary Payton II ($9.13 million) and Kevon Looney ($8 million), and they own all of their first-round picks except for 2030, which is protected 1-20 to Washington.

Before Brandon Ingram essentially shut down exploratory trade talks between the Jazz and Pelicans because of his unwillingness to re-sign in Utah long-term, the two teams kicked around the concept of John Collins heading to New Orleans as part of a trade package along with unspecified draft pick compensation, league sources told HoopsHype. However, talks ultimately fizzled before getting serious, with Ingram unwilling to commit long-term to Utah.

Currently, teams who’ve been monitoring Miami’s Jimmy Butler are also keeping tabs on Ingram with five weeks until the trade deadline.

While the Pelicans continue to gauge the trade market for Ingram, who remains out with an ankle injury, New Orleans is expected to try and duck the tax by moving one or two minimum players on the roster while trying to create a roster spot to also convert a two-way player, Brandon Boston Jr., league sources told HoopsHype.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-lakers-warriors-nets-thunder-bulls-nuggets-grizzlies-pelicans-kings-raptors-clippers/

A three-team trade involving Heat, Pelicans and Warriors that involve Heat getting McCollum and Ingram and sending out Butler and Robinson going to Warriors

[Beenie]

By Michael Scotto | December 31, 2024

Golden State has done its due diligence on several notable players on the trade market, including but not limited to Jimmy Butler – whom Warriors general manager Mike Dunleavy Jr. played with in Chicago – Brandon Ingram, Cam Johnson, Zach LaVine, Nikola Vucevic, Kyle Kuzma, etc.

Butler is seemingly the top target, but Heat President Pat Riley has publicly denied he’ll be traded. Ingram’s ankle injury and impending free agency have complicated his trade value.

Johnson’s contract incentives are a factor the Warriors must take into account in any potential trade for him while navigating their luxury tax situation. Furthermore, talks between the Nets and Warriors regarding Johnson were always exploratory when they previously discussed a Schroder trade, league sources told HoopsHype. Warriors forward Jonathan Kuminga wasn’t discussed in a trade package at that time for Johnson, sources said.

Golden State is expected to remain active leading up to the trade deadline, league sources said. The Warriors can flip Schroder in a trade if needed, have young assets in Kuminga, Moses Moody and Brandin Podziemski, expiring contracts of Gary Payton II ($9.13 million) and Kevon Looney ($8 million), and they own all of their first-round picks except for 2030, which is protected 1-20 to Washington.

Before Brandon Ingram essentially shut down exploratory trade talks between the Jazz and Pelicans because of his unwillingness to re-sign in Utah long-term, the two teams kicked around the concept of John Collins heading to New Orleans as part of a trade package along with unspecified draft pick compensation, league sources told HoopsHype. However, talks ultimately fizzled before getting serious, with Ingram unwilling to commit long-term to Utah.

Currently, teams who’ve been monitoring Miami’s Jimmy Butler are also keeping tabs on Ingram with five weeks until the trade deadline.

While the Pelicans continue to gauge the trade market for Ingram, who remains out with an ankle injury, New Orleans is expected to try and duck the tax by moving one or two minimum players on the roster while trying to create a roster spot to also convert a two-way player, Brandon Boston Jr., league sources told HoopsHype.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-lakers-warriors-nets-thunder-bulls-nuggets-grizzlies-pelicans-kings-raptors-clippers/

A three-team trade involving Heat, Pelicans and Warriors that involve Heat getting McCollum and Ingram and sending out Butler and Robinson going to Warriors

If Jimmy is moved in a deal involving the pelicans, personally, Zion would be the only player I’d have an interest in.

Other guys are treadmill fillers that would be added to a roster of treadmill fillers

Zion if he ever reaches his potential he is a true ceiling raiser

[contract]

Just curious who here would be willing to move Bam along with Jimmy and start a Herro/JJJ/Jovic/Ware/etc timeline? I'm guessing most would since he gets hated on like crazy or maybe it's just to piss off Bammy lmao? I'd do it for picks I think.

I’ve been consistently saying that if they move Jimmy they should also trade bam as soon as he’s trade eligible.

Bam gets them a Gobert-like trade package.

And most likely at some point trade Herro too when they can maximize a return package for him.

Gonna be unwatchably dreadful when Jimmy is gone so mine as well do a hard resetting of the roster.

Jimmy has been gone 1/3 of this season. We're about as good as we are with him.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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They trying to pull off Iggy and Crowder 2.0 with the Grizz

[twix2500]

A three-team trade involving Heat, Pelicans and Warriors that involve Heat getting McCollum and Ingram and sending out Butler and Robinson going to Warriors

If Jimmy is moved in a deal involving the pelicans, personally, Zion would be the only player I’d have an interest in.

Other guys are treadmill fillers that would be added to a roster of treadmill fillers

Zion if he ever reaches his potential he is a true ceiling raiser

Zion will never be a player whose gonna reach his potential. If you don't get him to peak early in his career then his chances drop tremendously. Physically he will decline at an earlier age like Derrick Rose and Greg Oden. He is the Derrick Roae of powerforwards without the work ethics

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[Beenie]

Just curious who here would be willing to move Bam along with Jimmy and start a Herro/JJJ/Jovic/Ware/etc timeline? I'm guessing most would since he gets hated on like crazy or maybe it's just to piss off Bammy lmao? I'd do it for picks I think.

I’ve been consistently saying that if they move Jimmy they should also trade bam as soon as he’s trade eligible.

Bam gets them a Gobert-like trade package.

And most likely at some point trade Herro too when they can maximize a return package for him.

Gonna be unwatchably dreadful when Jimmy is gone so mine as well do a hard resetting of the roster.

Jimmy has been gone 1/3 of this season. We're about as good as we are with him.

Do u think the team without Jimmy is playoff bound?

And hypothetically, do u think a roster without Jimmy in the playoffs has about the same odds as it does with him in the lineup?

Last year against the Celtics was unwatchably embarrassing for them.

Do you think Jimmy in the lineup wouldn’t have made that series more compelling?

[twix2500]

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They trying to pull off Iggy and Crowder 2.0 with the Grizz

If this is true, this is the guy MWP told me not to trust, then there is something going on with Jaquez behind closed doors. You don't offer all of that for Marcus Smart.

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[Beenie]

A three-team trade involving Heat, Pelicans and Warriors that involve Heat getting McCollum and Ingram and sending out Butler and Robinson going to Warriors

If Jimmy is moved in a deal involving the pelicans, personally, Zion would be the only player I’d have an interest in.

Other guys are treadmill fillers that would be added to a roster of treadmill fillers

Zion if he ever reaches his potential he is a true ceiling raiser

Zion will never be a player whose gonna reach his potential. If you don't get him to peak early in his career then his chances drop tremendously. Physically he will decline at an earlier age like Derrick Rose and Greg Oden. He is the Derrick Roae of powerforwards without the work ethics

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It’s a gamble no doubt

As is trading for Ingram who has his own history of injuries and shortcomings and will be vastly overpaid

Difference is zion represents a jackpot type of return if he pans out

Ingram and McCullum maybe gets the team to a 2nd round appearance

[contract]

I’ve been consistently saying that if they move Jimmy they should also trade bam as soon as he’s trade eligible.

Bam gets them a Gobert-like trade package.

And most likely at some point trade Herro too when they can maximize a return package for him.

Gonna be unwatchably dreadful when Jimmy is gone so mine as well do a hard resetting of the roster.

Jimmy has been gone 1/3 of this season. We're about as good as we are with him.

Do u think the team without Jimmy is playoff bound?

And hypothetically, do u think a roster without Jimmy in the playoffs has about the same odds as it does with him in the lineup?

Last year against the Celtics was unwatchably embarrassing for them.

Do you think Jimmy in the lineup wouldn’t have made that series more compelling?

We're likely somewhere in the play-in tournament with or without Jimmy. No we don't have the same chance of success in the playoffs without him. But I don't think he moves the needle in the playoffs anymore like he did 2 or 3 years ago. Jimmy is bringing less energy by the day.

[Beenie]

Jimmy has been gone 1/3 of this season. We're about as good as we are with him.

Do u think the team without Jimmy is playoff bound?

And hypothetically, do u think a roster without Jimmy in the playoffs has about the same odds as it does with him in the lineup?

Last year against the Celtics was unwatchably embarrassing for them.

Do you think Jimmy in the lineup wouldn’t have made that series more compelling?

We're likely somewhere in the play-in tournament with or without Jimmy. No we don't have the same chance of success in the playoffs without him. But I don't think he moves the needle in the playoffs anymore like he did 2 or 3 years ago. Jimmy is bringing less energy by the day.

He literally had his best regular season game ever as a Heat a couple weeks ago against Det

[MettaWorldPanda]

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They trying to pull off Iggy and Crowder 2.0 with the Grizz

If this is true, this is the guy MWP told me not to trust, then there is something going on with Jaquez behind closed doors. You don't offer all of that for Marcus Smart.

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Marcus Smart is not even healthy right now. Out two weeks with a right finger tear. Could be cap could be a basis of an offer for when he’s healthy. Maybe a before the dead line deal. We did deal Winslow for a 36 year old Iguodala off the couch and whom many thought was a washed Crowder. This deal though does seem like a bit of an over pay unless they view Smart getting wasted in Memphis and feel like we could get the best out of him here. He does bring that toughness and nasty defense we crave.

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Do u think the team without Jimmy is playoff bound?

And hypothetically, do u think a roster without Jimmy in the playoffs has about the same odds as it does with him in the lineup?

Last year against the Celtics was unwatchably embarrassing for them.

Do you think Jimmy in the lineup wouldn’t have made that series more compelling?

We're likely somewhere in the play-in tournament with or without Jimmy. No we don't have the same chance of success in the playoffs without him. But I don't think he moves the needle in the playoffs anymore like he did 2 or 3 years ago. Jimmy is bringing less energy by the day.

He literally had his best regular season game ever as a Heat a couple weeks ago against Det

What about the other games?

He's playing fewer minutes per game.
He's averaging the fewest points since he arrive here.
He's averaging the fewest assists since he got here.
He's averaging the second fewest rebounds since he got here.
He's taking fewer shots per game than he ever has ... by a lot. Two fewer attempts per game than his previous low.
He's getting to the FT line less.
His FT% is down at its lowest since he got here.
He's already missed 10 games.

A great game here and there doesn't alter his trajectory.

[Beenie]

We're likely somewhere in the play-in tournament with or without Jimmy. No we don't have the same chance of success in the playoffs without him. But I don't think he moves the needle in the playoffs anymore like he did 2 or 3 years ago. Jimmy is bringing less energy by the day.

He literally had his best regular season game ever as a Heat a couple weeks ago against Det

What about the other games?

He's playing fewer minutes per game.
He's averaging the fewest points since he arrive here.
He's averaging the fewest assists since he got here.
He's averaging the second fewest rebounds since he got here.
He's taking fewer shots per game than he ever has ... by a lot. Two fewer attempts per game than his previous low.
He's getting to the FT line less.
His FT% is down at its lowest since he got here.
He's already missed 10 games.

A great game here and there doesn't alter his trajectory.

All his advanced stats still indicate he’s a great player.

And eye test wise, he’s still the smartest player on the team and it’s not close.

I’m been beating that drum for a while now of how the collective iq of this roster is remedial at best and Jimmy is pretty much the one exception.

[twix2500]

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They trying to pull off Iggy and Crowder 2.0 with the Grizz

If this is true, this is the guy MWP told me not to trust, then there is something going on with Jaquez behind closed doors. You don't offer all of that for Marcus Smart.

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Marcus Smart is not even healthy right now. Out two weeks with a right finger tear. Could be cap could be a basis of an offer for when he’s healthy. Maybe a before the dead line deal. We did deal Winslow for a 36 year old Iguodala off the couch and whom many thought was a washed Crowder. This deal though does seem like a bit of an over pay unless they view Smart getting wasted in Memphis and feel like we could get the best out of him here. He does bring that toughness and nasty defense we crave.

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Winslow was in his 5th yr and his trade value was low. Jaquez is in the beginning of his 2nd yr. I don't think two bad months after almost winning rookie of the yr makes his stock as bad as Winslow 5 yrs. Who Winslow only had 15 promising games.

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[Kobewade11]

If this is true, this is the guy MWP told me not to trust, then there is something going on with Jaquez behind closed doors. You don't offer all of that for Marcus Smart.

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Marcus Smart is not even healthy right now. Out two weeks with a right finger tear. Could be cap could be a basis of an offer for when he’s healthy. Maybe a before the dead line deal. We did deal Winslow for a 36 year old Iguodala off the couch and whom many thought was a washed Crowder. This deal though does seem like a bit of an over pay unless they view Smart getting wasted in Memphis and feel like we could get the best out of him here. He does bring that toughness and nasty defense we crave.

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Winslow was in his 5th yr and his trade value was low. Jaquez is in the beginning of his 2nd yr. I don't think two bad months after almost winning rookie of the yr makes his stock as bad as Winslow 5 yrs. Who Winslow only had 15 promising games.

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Winslow was actually the piece that made the deal happen. Remember Waiters had become a malcontent, both he and JJ were viewed as net negative assets. Winslow become the throw-in in place of a draft pick.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If this is true, this is the guy MWP told me not to trust, then there is something going on with Jaquez behind closed doors. You don't offer all of that for Marcus Smart.

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Marcus Smart is not even healthy right now. Out two weeks with a right finger tear. Could be cap could be a basis of an offer for when he’s healthy. Maybe a before the dead line deal. We did deal Winslow for a 36 year old Iguodala off the couch and whom many thought was a washed Crowder. This deal though does seem like a bit of an over pay unless they view Smart getting wasted in Memphis and feel like we could get the best out of him here. He does bring that toughness and nasty defense we crave.

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Winslow was in his 5th yr and his trade value was low. Jaquez is in the beginning of his 2nd yr. I don't think two bad months after almost winning rookie of the yr makes his stock as bad as Winslow 5 yrs. Who Winslow only had 15 promising games.

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If this trade does go down the Heat must feel like they could get the best out of Smart and view him as a difference maker in that starting lineup next to Herro. Possibly looking for that Crowder and Tucker effect from the PG spot. Looks like a bad fit for bad fit PG swap between Rozier and Smart.

As part of the deal, Memphis is sending Boston its first-round pick in Thursday's draft -- the 25th overall selection -- and the Golden State Warriors' top-four-protected first-round pick in 2024

Memphis traded 2 1st rd picks for Smart so the actual perceived offer by the Heat seems in line.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

For any potential butler trade do we prioritize:

Late 1st round pick(s?), unknown prospects, maybe Wiggins that will help us convey the pick

Or keep Jimmy to ensure you’re good enough to convey the pick and be comfortable letting him walk to get loads of much needed cap space

The first scenario doesn’t move the needle as far as restocking the cupboard with valuable players or picks

You need all the assets you can get. One of these days we need to actually enter trade negotiations for one of Bams boys he’s been trying to get us with a respectable asset cupboard

[contract]

He literally had his best regular season game ever as a Heat a couple weeks ago against Det

What about the other games?

He's playing fewer minutes per game.
He's averaging the fewest points since he arrive here.
He's averaging the fewest assists since he got here.
He's averaging the second fewest rebounds since he got here.
He's taking fewer shots per game than he ever has ... by a lot. Two fewer attempts per game than his previous low.
He's getting to the FT line less.
His FT% is down at its lowest since he got here.
He's already missed 10 games.

A great game here and there doesn't alter his trajectory.

All his advanced stats still indicate he’s a great player.

And eye test wise, he’s still the smartest player on the team and it’s not close.

I’m been beating that drum for a while now of how the collective iq of this roster is remedial at best and Jimmy is pretty much the one exception.

You will get no debate from me that he's still our best player, and has by far the highest BBIQ on this team, and that IQ isn't going anywhere. But he has to coast more and more during the season. His legs are not getting any younger.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

That’s shocking to see them sell that low on Jaime if true, I don’t believe it.

That guy has been cookin tho so who knows.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’ve been saying if you were to trade Jimmy there needs to be another all star coming back to the team that fits the timeline better/restarts the timeline and that’s still my stance whether you’re getting them in the deal of getting assets to flip for them this summer