2023-24 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V3.0

[Tripod]

Yeah, let's see how the board views Barnes right now coming off an injury and dealing with 2 others.

[Van_Trump]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/dallas-mavericks/news/mavericks-predicted-land-45-million-nba-champion-trade-raptors/cf8c8f2366d3ff66d4d4671c

FanSided suggests that Dallas trades for Bruce Brown.

A trade proposal could send Maxi Kleber, Dwight Powell, Dante Exum, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, and their 2025 first-round draft pick to Toronto.

Hmm....Who gets cut?

[LoveMyRaps]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/dallas-mavericks/news/mavericks-predicted-land-45-million-nba-champion-trade-raptors/cf8c8f2366d3ff66d4d4671c

FanSided suggests that Dallas trades for Bruce Brown.

A trade proposal could send Maxi Kleber, Dwight Powell, Dante Exum, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, and their 2025 first-round draft pick to Toronto.

Hmm....Who gets cut?

If Masai gets that much for Bruce, I'll build a statue of him in my backyard.

[Raptors Realtor]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/dallas-mavericks/news/mavericks-predicted-land-45-million-nba-champion-trade-raptors/cf8c8f2366d3ff66d4d4671c

FanSided suggests that Dallas trades for Bruce Brown.

A trade proposal could send Maxi Kleber, Dwight Powell, Dante Exum, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, and their 2025 first-round draft pick to Toronto.

Hmm....Who gets cut?

I mean I'll take it, but 4 for 1 trades rarely happen because it's difficult to cut/buyout 3 players off your roster, unless you can involve more teams in the deal.

[HangTime]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/dallas-mavericks/news/mavericks-predicted-land-45-million-nba-champion-trade-raptors/cf8c8f2366d3ff66d4d4671c

FanSided suggests that Dallas trades for Bruce Brown.

A trade proposal could send Maxi Kleber, Dwight Powell, Dante Exum, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, and their 2025 first-round draft pick to Toronto.

Hmm....Who gets cut?

I mean I'll take it, but 4 for 1 trades rarely happen because it's difficult to cut/buyout 3 players off your roster, unless you can involve more teams in the deal.

If we have to waive 3

Pretty sure it'd be
Fernando,
Exum (assuming he's still injured)
Temple

Also allows Temple to catch on with a contender,
or he joins the coaching staff for the rest of the season.

[douggood]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/dallas-mavericks/news/mavericks-predicted-land-45-million-nba-champion-trade-raptors/cf8c8f2366d3ff66d4d4671c

FanSided suggests that Dallas trades for Bruce Brown.

A trade proposal could send Maxi Kleber, Dwight Powell, Dante Exum, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, and their 2025 first-round draft pick to Toronto.

Hmm....Who gets cut?

I mean I'll take it, but 4 for 1 trades rarely happen because it's difficult to cut/buyout 3 players off your roster, unless you can involve more teams in the deal.

If we have to waive 3

Pretty sure it'd be
Fernando,
Exum (assuming he's still injured)
Temple

Also allows Temple to catch on with a contender,
or he joins the coaching staff for the rest of the season.

you would have to complete the trade before waiving exum. but thats a non issue, you can dump exum in a 3way trade, mitchell etc on a 3rd team for cash

that being said, no way is Dallas giving up a 1st for brown.

[CazOnReal]

I mean I'll take it, but 4 for 1 trades rarely happen because it's difficult to cut/buyout 3 players off your roster, unless you can involve more teams in the deal.

If we have to waive 3

Pretty sure it'd be
Fernando,
Exum (assuming he's still injured)
Temple

Also allows Temple to catch on with a contender,
or he joins the coaching staff for the rest of the season.

you would have to complete the trade before waiving exum. but thats a non issue, you can dump exum in a 3way trade, mitchell etc on a 3rd team for cash

that being said, no way is Dallas giving up a 1st for brown.

Maybe not Brown alone, but you could do a "Include Portland 2nd to move up" deal of sorts. I don't know if Dallas would do that but I digress.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Marcus Smart is a guy we should go after. We need a strong veteran voice in the locker room. Even if that is temporary. Can trade for him plus frp for brown.

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FanSided suggests that Dallas trades for Bruce Brown.

A trade proposal could send Maxi Kleber, Dwight Powell, Dante Exum, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, and their 2025 first-round draft pick to Toronto.

Hmm....Who gets cut?

If Masai gets that much for Bruce, I'll build a statue of him in my backyard.

It's not a bad idea in the abstract, but I doubt the Mavericks would give up on Exum who ought to be back by the end of January, and made himself a quite useful player.

Also, the last Toronto cut would be somebody the Raptors don't want to lose - you need to cut three and while Fernando and Temple are easy ones, the next one would likely be Mitchell or Boucher, who have at least marginal trade value of their own. I'm an advocate of trading expiring contracts for future money to enhance the return, but if we're going to do that, there are going to be lots of options, and I've been telling people to think hard about all of those.

The Dallas trade idea brings in $14 million in guaranteed money for next season (Kleber and OMP). The first round pick is likely to fall in the 20-25 range (assuming Cleveland is #30, Boston #29, Thunder, Knicks, etc as the standings now indicate).

So the question is, are there better trades for dealing Brown for a package that includes a better asset package, in either young talent or draft picks? For example, is Sacramento desperate enough to offer a package of Kevin Huerter and Devin Carter - the 13th pick in the last draft? Carter hasn't played a game because he was drafted while recovering from shoulder surgery, which means he likely would have gone higher had he been healthy. But he is almost ready to go, and as fans remember with OG, Masai will take a risk on drafting a guy when he is unable to work out for the draft. That worked out really well for the Raptors.

Once the Raptors accept that Scottie won't get a supermax, they can plan fairly precisely for how much space they will have under the tax line next season, including maximum draft pick money (ie leave a reserve large enough for the first overall pick + money for the Portland SRP), and can take back salary accordingly. By the deadline, the league has given the teams an updated cap/tax estimate for next season that will hold up within $1 million either way.

[dagger]

Marcus Smart is a guy we should go after. We need a strong veteran voice in the locker room. Even if that is temporary. Can trade for him plus frp for brown.

I've thought of that, Memphis has significant tax issues to work with to keep pending RFAs LaRavia and Aldama, both of whom are having their best seasons, with some upside left. Aldama in particular is becoming a key big man reserve. However, Smart has two more years after this season at $20m each, so while he is a good player, a good influence as you say, one FRP is not sufficient for taking up $40m in salary. Memphis' 2025 FRP would currently be around #25. Other iterations of a trade for Brown to Memphis might work, for example Brandon Clarke as retained salary - he also has two more seasons after this one, but at a smaller number ($12.5m per season) and he fits a front-court need. Then, add in either expiring money (Kennard) or an RFA (LaRavia) because in the latter case, the Raptors would almost certainly have the tax space to match a likely offer for LaRavia, who is 23 and was a first rounder in 2022. There are multiple scenarios with the Grizzlies that would work.

LaRavia is an example of a team having so many draft picks, they can't be as patient with development as they should like because they have so many extensions to manage. Memphis is butting up against the tax line, and will be a bit over it next season, just with the contracts they have. Aldama alone is likely to command a RFA offer in the mid-teens, something a bit more than the MLE. That isn't included in the Grizzlies current salary projections, and matching such an offer would put them into second apron territory, and Memphis is not a rich market which can pay that kind of financial penalty

When they drafted him, they thought LaRavia would be a big-time shooter, but in his second season, he made 34% of his 3 pointers. Therefore, looking at a challenging cap=tax situation ahead, the Grizz declined his fourth season option for next season. So what is he shooting this season from 3? 44%, and his other numbers are all up.

[bluerap23]

[dagger]

I really don't think Masai is going to go for assets that are five-plus years out.

[ArthurVandelay]

Marcus Smart is a guy we should go after. We need a strong veteran voice in the locker room. Even if that is temporary. Can trade for him plus frp for brown.

I've thought of that, Memphis has significant tax issues to work with to keep pending RFAs LaRavia and Aldama, both of whom are having their best seasons, with some upside left. Aldama in particular is becoming a key big man reserve. However, Smart has two more years after this season at $20m each, so while he is a good player, a good influence as you say, one FRP is not sufficient for taking up $40m in salary. Memphis' 2025 FRP would currently be around #25. Other iterations of a trade for Brown to Memphis might work, for example Brandon Clarke as retained salary - he also has two more seasons after this one, but at a smaller number ($12.5m per season) and he fits a front-court need. Then, add in either expiring money (Kennard) or an RFA (LaRavia) because in the latter case, the Raptors would almost certainly have the tax space to match a likely offer for LaRavia, who is 23 and was a first rounder in 2022. There are multiple scenarios with the Grizzlies that would work.

They have $27m in tax room to keep those guys. They don’t need to dump Smart.

[douggood]

Marcus Smart is a guy we should go after. We need a strong veteran voice in the locker room. Even if that is temporary. Can trade for him plus frp for brown.

I've thought of that, Memphis has significant tax issues to work with to keep pending RFAs LaRavia and Aldama, both of whom are having their best seasons, with some upside left. Aldama in particular is becoming a key big man reserve. However, Smart has two more years after this season at $20m each, so while he is a good player, a good influence as you say, one FRP is not sufficient for taking up $40m in salary. Memphis' 2025 FRP would currently be around #25. Other iterations of a trade for Brown to Memphis might work, for example Brandon Clarke as retained salary - he also has two more seasons after this one, but at a smaller number ($12.5m per season) and he fits a front-court need. Then, add in either expiring money (Kennard) or an RFA (LaRavia) because in the latter case, the Raptors would almost certainly have the tax space to match a likely offer for LaRavia, who is 23 and was a first rounder in 2022. There are multiple scenarios with the Grizzlies that would work.

They have $27m in tax room to keep those guys. They don’t need to dump Smart.

plus net worth owner of grizz has skyrocketed recently, on paper he is one of the wealthiest owner in nba now. tax for a season or 2 for them wont be an issue, especially considering their standing.

[Spida888]

My guess is Lakers will just go after Val instead. He should be a lot cheaper to get and Lakers still got some SRPs.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Marcus Smart is a guy we should go after. We need a strong veteran voice in the locker room. Even if that is temporary. Can trade for him plus frp for brown.

I've thought of that, Memphis has significant tax issues to work with to keep pending RFAs LaRavia and Aldama, both of whom are having their best seasons, with some upside left. Aldama in particular is becoming a key big man reserve. However, Smart has two more years after this season at $20m each, so while he is a good player, a good influence as you say, one FRP is not sufficient for taking up $40m in salary. Memphis' 2025 FRP would currently be around #25. Other iterations of a trade for Brown to Memphis might work, for example Brandon Clarke as retained salary - he also has two more seasons after this one, but at a smaller number ($12.5m per season) and he fits a front-court need. Then, add in either expiring money (Kennard) or an RFA (LaRavia) because in the latter case, the Raptors would almost certainly have the tax space to match a likely offer for LaRavia, who is 23 and was a first rounder in 2022. There are multiple scenarios with the Grizzlies that would work.

They have $27m in tax room to keep those guys. They don’t need to dump Smart.

if they trade for him, it would be sign him to a reasonable extension to help with the other upcoming FA in the future. and i thought smart was one more year after this one. they were also willing to trade a frp for konchar, kennard one of whom has a long term contract so clearly maintaining good cap flexibility is a priority for them.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

My guess is Lakers will just go after Val instead. He should be a lot cheaper to get and Lakers still got some SRPs.

we also need to stop posting trades to get rui or vincent back. they're both terrible, overpaid players that we don't need

[ArthurVandelay]

I've thought of that, Memphis has significant tax issues to work with to keep pending RFAs LaRavia and Aldama, both of whom are having their best seasons, with some upside left. Aldama in particular is becoming a key big man reserve. However, Smart has two more years after this season at $20m each, so while he is a good player, a good influence as you say, one FRP is not sufficient for taking up $40m in salary. Memphis' 2025 FRP would currently be around #25. Other iterations of a trade for Brown to Memphis might work, for example Brandon Clarke as retained salary - he also has two more seasons after this one, but at a smaller number ($12.5m per season) and he fits a front-court need. Then, add in either expiring money (Kennard) or an RFA (LaRavia) because in the latter case, the Raptors would almost certainly have the tax space to match a likely offer for LaRavia, who is 23 and was a first rounder in 2022. There are multiple scenarios with the Grizzlies that would work.

They have $27m in tax room to keep those guys. They don’t need to dump Smart.

if they trade for him, it would be sign him to a reasonable extension to help with the other upcoming FA in the future. and i thought smart was one more year after this one. they were also willing to trade a frp for konchar, kennard one of whom has a long term contract so clearly maintaining good cap flexibility is a priority for them.

My comment speaks to tax issues. Grizz don’t have any tax issues with current roster next year or the year after. $27m to tax in 2025-26 and $81 in 2026-27 (but extension will be due for JJJr).

[Ell Curry]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/dallas-mavericks/news/mavericks-predicted-land-45-million-nba-champion-trade-raptors/cf8c8f2366d3ff66d4d4671c

FanSided suggests that Dallas trades for Bruce Brown.

A trade proposal could send Maxi Kleber, Dwight Powell, Dante Exum, Olivier-Maxence Prosper, and their 2025 first-round draft pick to Toronto.

Hmm....Who gets cut?

Exum probably goes to a 3rd team with an exception for nothing and Fernando and Temple get cut, maybe Temple is immediately offered an off-court job of some kind. Someone might take Powell for free, too. He's experienced and makes only 4M next year (I'm assuming he's picking up his option), that's not insane for a big if you think he can give you 10 decent minutes and you're some team with cap room and a need there (Kings maybe fit, if they think Lyles is gonna attract a bigger offer this summer than they want to match, or he just wants to leave and play for a contender and they offer him the tax MLE or whatever, or the Kings can get a 2nd + expiring for him at the deadline).

Does cost us using the non-tax MLE, but probably still worth it to get the 1st.

We'd just fit under the tax next year with that. If we did this deal, you'd wanna see something like Olynyk for PJ Tucker to save money. Then we can still probably just fit a non-tax MLE guy in.

[psman2]

Marcus Smart is a guy we should go after. We need a strong veteran voice in the locker room. Even if that is temporary. Can trade for him plus frp for brown.

I've thought of that, Memphis has significant tax issues to work with to keep pending RFAs LaRavia and Aldama, both of whom are having their best seasons, with some upside left. Aldama in particular is becoming a key big man reserve. However, Smart has two more years after this season at $20m each, so while he is a good player, a good influence as you say, one FRP is not sufficient for taking up $40m in salary. Memphis' 2025 FRP would currently be around #25. Other iterations of a trade for Brown to Memphis might work, for example Brandon Clarke as retained salary - he also has two more seasons after this one, but at a smaller number ($12.5m per season) and he fits a front-court need. Then, add in either expiring money (Kennard) or an RFA (LaRavia) because in the latter case, the Raptors would almost certainly have the tax space to match a likely offer for LaRavia, who is 23 and was a first rounder in 2022. There are multiple scenarios with the Grizzlies that would work.

LaRavia is an example of a team having so many draft picks, they can't be as patient with development as they should like because they have so many extensions to manage. Memphis is butting up against the tax line, and will be a bit over it next season, just with the contracts they have. Aldama alone is likely to command a RFA offer in the mid-teens, something a bit more than the MLE. That isn't included in the Grizzlies current salary projections, and matching such an offer would put them into second apron territory, and Memphis is not a rich market which can pay that kind of financial penalty

When they drafted him, they thought LaRavia would be a big-time shooter, but in his second season, he made 34% of his 3 pointers. Therefore, looking at a challenging cap=tax situation ahead, the Grizz declined his fourth season option for next season. So what is he shooting this season from 3? 44%, and his other numbers are all up.

Memphis values Smart more than they would Brown, no way we include any draft capitol to make that swap and wouldn't do the swap straight up either. This idea that Memphis needs or wants to dump Smart has no truth behind it. Plus you keep repeating bad information regarding our cap sheet. Not sure why you just cannot look at our cap sheet instead of pushing this false narrative.

Next year the tax starts at 188m. With a hypothetical resigned Aldama at 20m, letting Kennard and LaRavia walk, then our cap sheet is at 177m before having to sign our 1st and 2nd rounder leaving us well short of the tax and at 15 contracts. We can even offer LaRavia the max we are able to offer which is his declined option of 5.2m and still be 3-5m short of entering the tax depending on what type of contract our 2nd rounder gets, likely a 2 way being that late.