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Re: PG: Raps end 2024 with beatdown in Boston 

Post#261 » by Scase » Wed Jan 1, 2025 6:03 pm

Appostis wrote:People yelling replace Darko are just idiots.

What's the purpose? The best coach might get a handful of extra wins out if this crew.

People would really be happy about a 10-23 record? 12-21 record? To what end.

(Sorry the idiots on Facebook are just getting to me)

The sad thing is, there is a not so silent contingent of people here that believe it. Darko and injuries, the only reasons we arent fighting for a playoff spot. :crazy:
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Re: PG: Raps end 2024 with beatdown in Boston 

Post#262 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Jan 1, 2025 6:12 pm

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Tripod wrote:OKC lost by 48 and 57 pts just 1 month apart from each other in 2021.

Then lost by 73 and 50 the following year.

No one cares now. Oh, and God Presti was GM.


Yeah, no one cares about it now — but I highly doubt the majority of OKC fans glossed over those losses at the time as if they were nothing. Furthermore, three of those four losses came at the end of the season when was OKC was all-in on the tank. A 54-point loss — regardless of the opponent — is embarrassing, especially on the heels of back-to-back 30-point blowouts. People can spin it however they like, but an average deficit of 37 points over a three-game stretch while also averaging ~25 turnovers per game is just something that doesn’t happen often even when it comes to the absolute worst teams in NBA history.

Losing a lot is fine this season. It is/was unrealistic to expect the team to fight hard and lose by single digits every night, but we aren’t even at the midway point yet we’re already seeing serious losing fatigue and a lot of young players are at risk of developing bad habits. This team needs to win every once in a while so things don’t spiral out of control even more. I can’t picture a scenario where an emotional and competitive guy like Scottie is perfectly fine with losing 11 games in a row with the majority being games where we trailed by 20+ points before the end of the 4th quarter.


Whats stings about these ones is that they are mid season and with players that the team claims they're building with. If you look at those 4 OKC games, Lu Dort is the only player still on the Thunder that participated in those games (only 2). They played a dude named Charlie Brown! They played only 6 players in one of those losses.

If in two years no one remains and we're winning, I guess all is forgiven? How are we supposed to react to this? It's still being broadcast, they're still charging for tickets. When the product is this bad the customers will react.
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Re: PG: Raps end 2024 with beatdown in Boston 

Post#263 » by Madvillainy2004 » Wed Jan 1, 2025 6:25 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
pingpongrac wrote:
Tripod wrote:OKC lost by 48 and 57 pts just 1 month apart from each other in 2021.

Then lost by 73 and 50 the following year.

No one cares now. Oh, and God Presti was GM.


Yeah, no one cares about it now — but I highly doubt the majority of OKC fans glossed over those losses at the time as if they were nothing. Furthermore, three of those four losses came at the end of the season when was OKC was all-in on the tank. A 54-point loss — regardless of the opponent — is embarrassing, especially on the heels of back-to-back 30-point blowouts. People can spin it however they like, but an average deficit of 37 points over a three-game stretch while also averaging ~25 turnovers per game is just something that doesn’t happen often even when it comes to the absolute worst teams in NBA history.

Losing a lot is fine this season. It is/was unrealistic to expect the team to fight hard and lose by single digits every night, but we aren’t even at the midway point yet we’re already seeing serious losing fatigue and a lot of young players are at risk of developing bad habits. This team needs to win every once in a while so things don’t spiral out of control even more. I can’t picture a scenario where an emotional and competitive guy like Scottie is perfectly fine with losing 11 games in a row with the majority being games where we trailed by 20+ points before the end of the 4th quarter.


Whats stings about these ones is that they are mid season and with players that the team claims they're building with. If you look at those 4 OKC games, Lu Dort is the only player still on the Thunder that participated in those games (only 2). They played a dude named Charlie Brown! They played only 6 players in one of those losses.

If in two years no one remains and we're winning, I guess all is forgiven? How are we supposed to react to this? It's still being broadcast, they're still charging for tickets. When the product is this bad the customers will react.


I think people have a right to be annoyed at just how awful they are lmao like they've given up the most points in a 5 game stretch since 1991. They are atrocious on both sides of the ball. Obviously nobody thinks this team is a piece or 2 away from the playoffs. But did anyone view this as a "process sixers level tear down"?
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Re: PG: Raps end 2024 with beatdown in Boston 

Post#264 » by mihaic » Wed Jan 1, 2025 7:21 pm

Scottie was "leading" with a +/- of -39. Along with 6 turnovers.

What is going on. Some really bad passes, on the break for example.
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Re: PG: Raps end 2024 with beatdown in Boston 

Post#265 » by Pointgod » Wed Jan 1, 2025 7:25 pm

I mean beat downs like this happen when you’re rebuilding. The point is that this is part of the process and a team has to have the stomach to go through it. Teams should be playing hard every game even in a rebuild. The coaching staff and management have to keep them ready.
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Re: PG: Raps end 2024 with beatdown in Boston 

Post#266 » by Tripod » Wed Jan 1, 2025 8:34 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
pingpongrac wrote:
Tripod wrote:OKC lost by 48 and 57 pts just 1 month apart from each other in 2021.

Then lost by 73 and 50 the following year.

No one cares now. Oh, and God Presti was GM.


Yeah, no one cares about it now — but I highly doubt the majority of OKC fans glossed over those losses at the time as if they were nothing. Furthermore, three of those four losses came at the end of the season when was OKC was all-in on the tank. A 54-point loss — regardless of the opponent — is embarrassing, especially on the heels of back-to-back 30-point blowouts. People can spin it however they like, but an average deficit of 37 points over a three-game stretch while also averaging ~25 turnovers per game is just something that doesn’t happen often even when it comes to the absolute worst teams in NBA history.

Losing a lot is fine this season. It is/was unrealistic to expect the team to fight hard and lose by single digits every night, but we aren’t even at the midway point yet we’re already seeing serious losing fatigue and a lot of young players are at risk of developing bad habits. This team needs to win every once in a while so things don’t spiral out of control even more. I can’t picture a scenario where an emotional and competitive guy like Scottie is perfectly fine with losing 11 games in a row with the majority being games where we trailed by 20+ points before the end of the 4th quarter.


Whats stings about these ones is that they are mid season and with players that the team claims they're building with. If you look at those 4 OKC games, Lu Dort is the only player still on the Thunder that participated in those games (only 2). They played a dude named Charlie Brown! They played only 6 players in one of those losses.

If in two years no one remains and we're winning, I guess all is forgiven? How are we supposed to react to this? It's still being broadcast, they're still charging for tickets. When the product is this bad the customers will react.

Look at put Championship year...only 2 starters were there a year before. Changes will happen.

And people need to look at context. All these blowouts happened after Barnes hot hurt and came back after 2 games instead of weeks like he should have. He hasn’t been close to "his norm". Then add in Yak missed games, RJ too...or playing sick. Hell, others might be playing sick that we don't know about.

Yeah it sucks to get blown out, but we were within 7 pts of a top team just seconds from halftime. They hit that lucky 3 and it seemed to suck the wind out of the team.

On to the next one
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Re: PG: Raps end 2024 with beatdown in Boston 

Post#267 » by Johnston » Wed Jan 1, 2025 9:19 pm

johanliebert wrote:
Johnston wrote:I'd hope if we draft a real talent MLSE would be smart enough to hire a real coach. Things are going downhill quick
.big difference between development losses and generational losses lol

This isnt college the nba is about the players. If you're looking for a game where coaches matter watch the NCAA cause in the NBA none of them are successful without talent.


If we had talent, would Darko be the head coach you choose?
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Re: PG: Raps end 2024 with beatdown in Boston 

Post#268 » by Indeed » Wed Jan 1, 2025 9:50 pm

Johnston wrote:
johanliebert wrote:
Johnston wrote:I'd hope if we draft a real talent MLSE would be smart enough to hire a real coach. Things are going downhill quick
.big difference between development losses and generational losses lol

This isnt college the nba is about the players. If you're looking for a game where coaches matter watch the NCAA cause in the NBA none of them are successful without talent.


If we had talent, would Darko be the head coach you choose?


Darko was hired to build around Barnes with his system meant for passing big men that also includes Poeltl and Olynyk (Boucher is not, so he was not played end of last year and us with enough healthy bigs).

Firing Darko means we are no longer building around Barnes with him claiming to play the point.

What kind of coach would you be looking for as having Barnes making near max if not capable of playing the point and shooting from 3s?

Without being a sharp shooter, it is pretty much Barnes not worth the near max without being the point, and create for others. So far as people complain the coach and the system, which actually reflects to the player that they dont want to admit to.
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Re: PG: Raps end 2024 with beatdown in Boston 

Post#269 » by sidsid » Wed Jan 1, 2025 10:05 pm

Madvillainy2004 wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
pingpongrac wrote:
Yeah, no one cares about it now — but I highly doubt the majority of OKC fans glossed over those losses at the time as if they were nothing. Furthermore, three of those four losses came at the end of the season when was OKC was all-in on the tank. A 54-point loss — regardless of the opponent — is embarrassing, especially on the heels of back-to-back 30-point blowouts. People can spin it however they like, but an average deficit of 37 points over a three-game stretch while also averaging ~25 turnovers per game is just something that doesn’t happen often even when it comes to the absolute worst teams in NBA history.

Losing a lot is fine this season. It is/was unrealistic to expect the team to fight hard and lose by single digits every night, but we aren’t even at the midway point yet we’re already seeing serious losing fatigue and a lot of young players are at risk of developing bad habits. This team needs to win every once in a while so things don’t spiral out of control even more. I can’t picture a scenario where an emotional and competitive guy like Scottie is perfectly fine with losing 11 games in a row with the majority being games where we trailed by 20+ points before the end of the 4th quarter.


Whats stings about these ones is that they are mid season and with players that the team claims they're building with. If you look at those 4 OKC games, Lu Dort is the only player still on the Thunder that participated in those games (only 2). They played a dude named Charlie Brown! They played only 6 players in one of those losses.

If in two years no one remains and we're winning, I guess all is forgiven? How are we supposed to react to this? It's still being broadcast, they're still charging for tickets. When the product is this bad the customers will react.


I think people have a right to be annoyed at just how awful they are lmao like they've given up the most points in a 5 game stretch since 1991. They are atrocious on both sides of the ball. Obviously nobody thinks this team is a piece or 2 away from the playoffs. But did anyone view this as a "process sixers level tear down"?


That's not what the assumption was at the beginning of the season, and I assume the FO does believe they're a piece away if needed to be mid. There are pointless, shortsighted gimmicks at the expense of development like Nurse did that can squeeze a few more wins to try to get into the play-in in a horrible east next year if you want it and assume some better health. Let's hope we don't go down that path.

That's kind of why the shortsighted Jak thinking is still in play. But there were a lot of expectations set for a team who revamped around the deadline return of OG and a consensus bad draft where we lost our lottery pick. Only so much you can squeeze out of pissing away the last 4 years in asset losses instead of investing in a rebuild earlier.

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