Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond

[thebuzzardman]

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Just listend to this very good conversation between Marci and Katz.

If I'm Leon Rose and I'm concerned about the heavy minutes. I would walk down to Thibs office and say.. "here's a list of wings that are available that we might be able to swing a trade, which player can play 10-20 minutes to replace OG and Mikal's minutes"? And if Thibs say, "he needs to practice first". Leon should just fcking shave his head for that answer.

Wings are just difficult to get, all the bad teams have young ones which they're not trading, and the good teams have wings they aren't trading either.

The only ones I can see that would actually play are Cody Martin, Mattise Thybule (Injured all season) and while he's not a wing Clarkson would play as well.

What about Tate from the Rockets?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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Just listend to this very good conversation between Marci and Katz.

If I'm Leon Rose and I'm concerned about the heavy minutes. I would walk down to Thibs office and say.. "here's a list of wings that are available that we might be able to swing a trade, which player can play 10-20 minutes to replace OG and Mikal's minutes"? And if Thibs say, "he needs to practice first". Leon should just fcking shave his head for that answer.

Wings are just difficult to get, all the bad teams have young ones which they're not trading, and the good teams have wings they aren't trading either.

The only ones I can see that would actually play are Cody Martin, Mattise Thybule (Injured all season) and while he's not a wing Clarkson would play as well.

What about Tate from the Rockets?

He's a little undersized, he's really a 4 that's only 6'4". He'd play though, but I don't view him as a wing anymore.

[ctuk]

Health



I think next year is when we'll be the favorites, after we have a chance to load up on vet minimum guys and get maybe another bench scorer or Brock works some magic.

This year, we'd need another wing that can play. Just look at the Celtics from last year, very top heavy but Sam Hauser got real minutes all throughout the playoffs and played legitimate minutes in the finals, he played more than anyone outside the starting 5. Maybe Shamet can be that, but even then we still need 1 more wing/forward that can hit threes.

Hart may already be that guy who can hit threes. He can make them if he chooses to fully buy-in.

We still need 1 guy outside the starting 5 that has size and can defend multiple positions, maybe it's Shamet, but against teams with size we'd need 1 more guy that can switch 1-4. Which is what Hauser was able to do for the Celtics, they had an elite starting 5 and still relied on Hauser for 15mpg in the playoffs because he's a versatile big defender that can hit threes (19 mins for Pritchard as well).

I want to target Aaron Wiggins from OKC in a 3 team trade. Okc has a glut with Wiggins, Joe and Kenrich Williams at the wings and are apparently trying to get Cam Johnson from the nets. If they get Cam Johnson 2 of those 3 wings become expendable as they won't be getting playoff minutes behind Dort, Cam and Cason Wallace.

Duece & Precious work for salary matching. Or Duece, Kolek, Sims & Dadiet also work salary matching wise. None of the young guys are playing in the playoffs for Thibs and the dropoff from Duece to Payne/Shamet isn't nearly that bad when you factor in Wiggins as an additional defender. This would also buy us minutes for OG, Mikal and Josh.

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[Jalen Bluntson]

os in the league. They are par with any teams top two players. Where are all of these teams with top 10-20 players that we can't compete with? Brunson/KAT/Mikal are just as good as any teams top three. Having OG/Hart out there makes us that much tougher.
I hate to say it, but for this team to be favored to win a chip they need another top-10 player who is also a 2 way player.

Teams built around a fringe top-10 and fringe top-20 player, both of whom are below average defensively, tend not to win championships. They look great against most of the league in the regular season, but come playoff time it’s a different story.

I think you are underrating Brunson/KAT. They are two of the best players at their positions in the entire league. We have two of the best wing 3&D guys in the league. Hart is one of the best glue guys in the league. Deuce is a great bench player as well. Precious/Shamet are solid bench pieces. Payne isn't trash either. When Mitch comes back, he's one of the best rebounders in the league. We have plenty of talent. It's all about being healthy in April/May/June.

We will also be able to bring in another vet minimum player at the end of February and stay under the cap as well IIRC.

There isn't a better starting 5 offensively in the league. If our bench can pick up the slack we are going to be really tough to beat. I think people are underestimating the team we have right now. Brunson/KAT are one of the best du

Coaching/adjustments are big in the playoffs. We have the bullets in the gun. It's all about getting them to perform at their peak.

You were talking me round until I came to the last line.

No ****. It was difficult to type but, I was on a roll.

[GettinitDone]

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This is Thibs with minutes police constantly biting his balls... he's so tired of us complaining

Leave him alone guys/ stop biting his balls/ let him run our guys to the ground by March

[spree2kawhi]

Wings are just difficult to get, all the bad teams have young ones which they're not trading, and the good teams have wings they aren't trading either.

The only ones I can see that would actually play are Cody Martin, Mattise Thybule (Injured all season) and while he's not a wing Clarkson would play as well.

What about Tate from the Rockets?

He's a little undersized, he's really a 4 that's only 6'4". He'd play though, but I don't view him as a wing anymore.

We can always move Hart to the bench and start a big. Problem solved.

[ispitmoney1]

OG Anunoby for Brandon Ingram rumors coming out now…thoughts?

Do we want the 1x all-star? Worth giving up OG?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/new-york-knicks/news/knicks-could-shock-nba-trade-213-million-wing-pelicans-all-star/2b8674ecab75f6ad5685c9a4

[R-DAWG]

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Just listend to this very good conversation between Marci and Katz.

If I'm Leon Rose and I'm concerned about the heavy minutes. I would walk down to Thibs office and say.. "here's a list of wings that are available that we might be able to swing a trade, which player can play 10-20 minutes to replace OG and Mikal's minutes"? And if Thibs say, "he needs to practice first". Leon should just fcking shave his head for that answer.

If Pacome Dadiet played 10 MPG what would our record be? 20-13 instead of 23-10? On a pace to win 49 games instead of 56?

Sometimes you need to accept schedule losses and manage the roster for a long season.

But forget just this season, this is the team for the next 7 years. If you run these guys into the ground in years 1 and 2 the back end is going to be a disaster.

I get criticized on these boards for not believing that this team is a title contender. But this team is the 3 seed based on overplaying the top guys to dominate the easy part of the schedule.

[R-DAWG]

Hart may already be that guy who can hit threes. He can make them if he chooses to fully buy-in.

We still need 1 guy outside the starting 5 that has size and can defend multiple positions, maybe it's Shamet, but against teams with size we'd need 1 more guy that can switch 1-4. Which is what Hauser was able to do for the Celtics, they had an elite starting 5 and still relied on Hauser for 15mpg in the playoffs because he's a versatile big defender that can hit threes (19 mins for Pritchard as well).

I want to target Aaron Wiggins from OKC in a 3 team trade. Okc has a glut with Wiggins, Joe and Kenrich Williams at the wings and are apparently trying to get Cam Johnson from the nets. If they get Cam Johnson 2 of those 3 wings become expendable as they won't be getting playoff minutes behind Dort, Cam and Cason Wallace.

Duece & Precious work for salary matching. Or Duece, Kolek, Sims & Dadiet also work salary matching wise. None of the young guys are playing in the playoffs for Thibs and the dropoff from Duece to Payne/Shamet isn't nearly that bad when you factor in Wiggins as an additional defender. This would also buy us minutes for OG, Mikal and Josh.

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The knicks don’t have enough room under the apron to do a 2 for 1 trade

[R-DAWG]

OG Anunoby for Brandon Ingram rumors coming out now…thoughts?

Do we want the 1x all-star? Worth giving up OG?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/new-york-knicks/news/knicks-could-shock-nba-trade-213-million-wing-pelicans-all-star/2b8674ecab75f6ad5685c9a4

Absolutely not the kind of trade we should be making, unless New Orleans overwhelms us with unprotected picks.

If we decide to go the route of trading OG (which is something that I believe will become a conversation in the next 18 months) it should be to add depth and/or recoup draft assets.

[stuporman]

Clickbaity media muppets can't seem to keep the Knicks out of their mouth...'knicks for clicks' allday erryday

[NoDopeOnSundays]

They aren't trading OG for Ingram


That's literally just some random dude coming up with one of those bull titles to get people to click on a story.

"You'll never believe what this NBA superstars did"

[thebuzzardman]

They aren't trading OG for Ingram


That's literally just some random dude coming up with one of those bull titles to get people to click on a story.

"You'll never believe what this NBA superstars did"

How NBA GMs make trades with this one neat trick!!!!

[G_K_F]

If all it takes to get Valanciunas is a 2nd round pick then we need to get him.

[BKlutch]

They aren't trading OG for Ingram


That's literally just some random dude coming up with one of those bull titles to get people to click on a story.

"You'll never believe what this NBA superstars did"

The Sporting News has fallen really far that this is note typical of their “reporting.”

[HopelessKnick]

OG Anunoby for Brandon Ingram rumors coming out now…thoughts?

Do we want the 1x all-star? Worth giving up OG?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/new-york-knicks/news/knicks-could-shock-nba-trade-213-million-wing-pelicans-all-star/2b8674ecab75f6ad5685c9a4

Absolutely not. I personally like Ingram as a player and believe he can be a big asset in the right team, but for this team we'd be off much worse after such a trade. I think the core 5 are not going to change in the next 2-3 seasons at all (barring any crazy injury luck etc.). Our FO went specifically after all these guys---Remember how hard they pressed for Brunson? How many assets they gave up for Bridges? The never ending KAT and OG rumors since Leon took over? They had this team in mind and they got it. They will try to optimize the rotation around them and try to win a title in the next 3-5 years.

With Ingram instead of OG you make the defense much much worse and it is not clear whether the offense gets better much at all. With Brunson, KAT and Mikal we have 3 allround scorers on the court that can score from anywhere. We don't need any help on offense. We may need another strong rotational player off the bench but no change in the core of the team.

[HopelessKnick]

If all it takes to get Valanciunas is a 2nd round pick then we need to get him.

But who do you send out? If I understand the CBA correctly, we'd need to match his salary and can't aggregate players. I think the only realistic midseason trade options are players that make 6-7 million or less. I don't see any team being really interested in Mitch at this point.

The most realistic scenario IMO is we play the season out with our current guys and hope Mitch can be healthy and contribute. Then you may have a market for him and his 15mill. contract that enables you to do a sound trade in the offseason. But if he comes back and kicks the Knicks defense into another gear and the Knicks make it far in the playoffs you may not even want to trade him at all.

We gotta play out the season.

I don't think Thibs is going to bench any of our starters once Mitch is back but we will be much more flexible....With KAT and Mitch hopefully playing 20 minutes together on the court you'll essentially have Hart or Mikal spending more time anchoring our bench...it will be a huge lift IMO (if Mitch stays healthy).

[dukeknicksirish]

Precious making corner 3’s realllllly makes keeping him and Mitch a possibility. Spacing is king, and if teams have to acknowledge Precious will take that 3, that doesn’t kill our P&R 2nd unit if Kolek(or Payne) and Mitch

[spree8]

I’m not opposed to keeping Mitch, but this dude has to be back by the All Star break cuz this is a crazy amount of time out.

I dunno why PJ Tucker wasn’t getting time in LAC, but if they cut him (since they sent him home and he’s a FA this summer) I wouldn’t be opposed to signing him. Pretty sure he fits the criteria of a MLE that we’re allowed to sign. He’s def gotta have enough left in the tank to give us 10-15 mpg on the run to the playoffs.

A bench of Cam/Deuce/PJ/Precious/Mitch is solid and could make sure Thibs gives the starters proper rest.

[Woodsanity]

There really isn't any trade I would make right now. Mitch's value is pretty low atm. No point trading him unless somehow we can get a good piece for him (doubtful).