MIN-DET-CHA : Randle/Harris/Stewart swap

[jbk1234]

From detroit - why is everyone trying to dump randle on us? He's 30. He doesn't defend. Does anyone honestly think that's the type of guy who really is going to help detroit build something around cade?

Amen

I'm yet to see a proposed trade of Stewart on TnT that is in DET's interests

I mean they get their first back, unload Harris, and whatever else you think about Randle he's an upgrade over Harris at this point.

[Kalamazoo317]

I'd absolutely do the OP for the Pistons. The value of getting control of our first rounder back makes this make sense. I like Beefstew, but not more than I like that, and the rest at least favors us in terms of talent. Harris is good in the locker room but doesn't do much on the court and Randle at least gives us a second scorer to take pressure off of Cade. If he's not a long term fit he at least has some value (along with controlling our drafts going forward) to help us get there.
Worst case scenario is he tanks the team this year and we're back in the running for Flagg.

[schaffy]

Trading Randle+1st for Stewart would be a complete non-starter for Minnesota. Giving up value to get significantly worse is a strategy that gets a GM fired (and Connelly has already lost a lot of stature from the KAT trade).

The fans may think that about Connelly, I really doubt ownership (either group) does.

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[Kineto]

Trading Randle+1st for Stewart would be a complete non-starter for Minnesota. Giving up value to get significantly worse is a strategy that gets a GM fired (and Connelly has already lost a lot of stature from the KAT trade).

The fans may think that about Connelly, I really doubt ownership (either group) does.

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$18 million less in salary cap, that's probably more than $60 million less in the team's final payroll.

If this team ceiling is a 1st round exit, it is possible that ownership will want to cut their losses at some point.

And from a competitive standpoint, downgrading a 33M Randle to a 15M Stewart may be the only way to sign both Naz and Naw this summer.

In a vacuum, Randle > Stewart, but does Randle+Naz > Stewart+Naz+Naw, some might argue that's debatable...

[shrink]

Trading Randle+1st for Stewart would be a complete non-starter for Minnesota. Giving up value to get significantly worse is a strategy that gets a GM fired (and Connelly has already lost a lot of stature from the KAT trade).

The fans may think that about Connelly, I really doubt ownership (either group) does.

$18 million less in salary cap, that's probably more than $60 million less in the team's final payroll.

If this team ceiling is a 1st round exit, it is possible that ownership will want to cut their losses at some point.

And from a competitive standpoint, downgrading a 33M Randle to a 15M Stewart may be the only way to sign both Naz and Naw this summer.

In a vacuum, Randle > Stewart, but does Randle+Naz > Stewart+Naz+Naw, some might argue that's debatable...

I think those are good points, but it’s hard to say what MIN’s ceiling is because the integration of DDV and Randle is only starting to improve. Both have especially good the last ten days. MIN has won 9 of their last 14, including just sweeping the three good Texas teams. Do they want to change the team chemistry a second time?

I would also mention that MIN doesn’t need to re-sign Naz and NAW until this summer, when DET isn’t the only team in town to have some cap space to throw in a deal. I certainly don’t think this is a deal you give up the DET 1st to downgrade, just to save money.

[shrink]

The fans may think that about Connelly, I really doubt ownership (either group) does.

I agree. Connelly spent a lot of assets to do it, but the organization has reached levels of success (and maybe even a little respect), that it has only approached once in its 35 year history. GMs and owners have to take a long view, unlike reactionary fans.

It has always made my eyes roll when I hear them project their feelings into the owner, GM, Coach or players, just because they feel it so hard without any of the perspective of the person living the real situation.

[tmorgan]

Be it Randle, Ingram, or anyone else, Detroit should not be trading any assets for expiring contracts.

Sure, a little post-season experience would be nice, but we still aren’t close to becoming a real contender. Too many holes, too many one-way players. No reason for any player to re-sign in Detroit without a large overpay, which is far worse of a decision than ever before with the new cap rules.

Gotta keep building through the draft and smart, small acquisitions for now.

[Kalamazoo317]

That’s what folks said last year about OG and Siakim, both of whom re-signed with the teams that traded for them.

[minimus]

Is Stewart a good basketball player?

[schaffy]

Trading Randle+1st for Stewart would be a complete non-starter for Minnesota. Giving up value to get significantly worse is a strategy that gets a GM fired (and Connelly has already lost a lot of stature from the KAT trade).

The fans may think that about Connelly, I really doubt ownership (either group) does.

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$18 million less in salary cap, that's probably more than $60 million less in the team's final payroll.

If this team ceiling is a 1st round exit, it is possible that ownership will want to cut their losses at some point.

And from a competitive standpoint, downgrading a 33M Randle to a 15M Stewart may be the only way to sign both Naz and Naw this summer.

In a vacuum, Randle > Stewart, but does Randle+Naz > Stewart+Naz+Naw, some might argue that's debatable...

I dont disagree with the money savings being substantial and that certainly matters. But I dont think this is a move the front office would do or even strongly consider. The downgrade in talent on the court hurts this season, and they certainly intent to try and push far into the playoffs again so that probably isn't happening. But to then also have them add in a 1st -- they dont have many I cant imagine this is how they burn one they do have.

[tmorgan]

Is Stewart a good basketball player?

Great rim protector and switchable defender. Ideal defender for modern defensive concepts unless you just have to have a shot blocker. Solid but not great rebounder — long arms. But only 6’9” and not a big leaper.

Very limited offensive player. Mediocre hands. Can’t handle the ball. Can make an open three, but it’s more of a set shot so he needs to be pretty open.

[tmorgan]

That’s what folks said last year about OG and Siakim, both of whom re-signed with the teams that traded for them.

Both of whom are arguably better players than Randle and Ingram (certainly Siakam is, OG is debatable), and both of whom went to teams currently better than Detroit.

Ingram is known to want more than he’s really worth, and Randle is known to get bottled up in the playoffs. I just don’t see the point.

[Kalamazoo317]

The point is to add a second top 100 player to a talent-starved team

[HornetJail]

somehow i hate this for all three teams, although getting that DET 1st back could actually be really nice for Detroit if they continue to punch above their weight

[minimus]

Is Stewart a good basketball player?

Great rim protector and switchable defender. Ideal defender for modern defensive concepts unless you just have to have a shot blocker. Solid but not great rebounder — long arms. But only 6’9” and not a big leaper.

Very limited offensive player. Mediocre hands. Can’t handle the ball. Can make an open three, but it’s more of a set shot so he needs to be pretty open.

Thank you for detailed answer! As MIN fan I'd say that Paul Reed is a better fit for us

[tmorgan]

Is Stewart a good basketball player?

Great rim protector and switchable defender. Ideal defender for modern defensive concepts unless you just have to have a shot blocker. Solid but not great rebounder — long arms. But only 6’9” and not a big leaper.

Very limited offensive player. Mediocre hands. Can’t handle the ball. Can make an open three, but it’s more of a set shot so he needs to be pretty open.

Thank you for detailed answer! As MIN fan I'd say that Paul Reed is a better fit for us

Stew is very much a modern Charles Oakley in a lot of ways. Loved by the Pistons, feared by opponents, but not exactly a super-skilled guy. Does have insanely fluid hips for a big guy — I can’t even begin to count the number of times a quick guard has gotten him on a switch and hasn’t been able to do a damn thing with it.