Identity crisis?

[Loaf_of_bread]

It's not just Randle. It's Randle PLUS Gobert PLUS McDaniels PLUS Conley. That's a killer, and it's exactly what we saw last year when they tried to play Kyle Anderson with McDaniels and Gobert. I believe much of this year's roster construction was predicated on the internal improvement of one Jaden McDaniels along with the steadying presence of Mike Conley. Edwards is the only starter who is shooting above 36 percent from 3-point range. Heck, Ant and NAW are the only rotation players doing that. This might be the strongest case yet for getting Dillingham minutes.

Changed your tune pretty quick. But yes, we need to see what he's got, or trade Randle for a pg.

[minimus]

It's not just Randle. It's Randle PLUS Gobert PLUS McDaniels PLUS Conley. That's a killer, and it's exactly what we saw last year when they tried to play Kyle Anderson with McDaniels and Gobert. I believe much of this year's roster construction was predicated on the internal improvement of one Jaden McDaniels along with the steadying presence of Mike Conley. Edwards is the only starter who is shooting above 36 percent from 3-point range. Heck, Ant and NAW are the only rotation players doing that. This might be the strongest case yet for getting Dillingham minutes.

Or move McDaniels to PF, to make room for another shooter in rotation.

[Guest84]

Dane podcast
https://youtu.be/XS5FaqPWDrE?si=obJWW566sztqorUf

[Loaf_of_bread]

It's not just Randle. It's Randle PLUS Gobert PLUS McDaniels PLUS Conley. That's a killer, and it's exactly what we saw last year when they tried to play Kyle Anderson with McDaniels and Gobert. I believe much of this year's roster construction was predicated on the internal improvement of one Jaden McDaniels along with the steadying presence of Mike Conley. Edwards is the only starter who is shooting above 36 percent from 3-point range. Heck, Ant and NAW are the only rotation players doing that. This might be the strongest case yet for getting Dillingham minutes.

Or move McDaniels to PF, to make room for another shooter in rotation.

I mentioned this awhile back. Jaden may be best as a pf. Tell me if im wrong, but we haven't seen many lineups with him there.

Freaking Julius is getting so much run, we pretty much haven't seen anything other than the same crap game after game that won't work.

[Klomp]

It's not just Randle. It's Randle PLUS Gobert PLUS McDaniels PLUS Conley. That's a killer, and it's exactly what we saw last year when they tried to play Kyle Anderson with McDaniels and Gobert. I believe much of this year's roster construction was predicated on the internal improvement of one Jaden McDaniels along with the steadying presence of Mike Conley. Edwards is the only starter who is shooting above 36 percent from 3-point range. Heck, Ant and NAW are the only rotation players doing that. This might be the strongest case yet for getting Dillingham minutes.

Or move McDaniels to PF, to make room for another shooter in rotation.

I mentioned this awhile back. Jaden may be best as a pf. Tell me if im wrong, but we haven't seen many lineups with him there.

Freaking Julius is getting so much run, we pretty much haven't seen anything other than the same crap game after game that won't work.

I feel like in some of his biggest breakout performances, Jaden was playing a pseudo-PF role offensively, similar to Vanderbilt in a lot of ways.

[Guest84]

This team just doesn’t fit together. If Ant is your star, you need to find players that fit with him. Naz does, Naw, but everyone else is a no or so so.

Ant needs a team like OKC or Boston. He needs guys who can get out and push the pace with him. Aside from KG, we’ve always had slow plotting bigs and non shooting wings.

[Guest84]

https://youtu.be/8o9VzaDDugA?si=Z1akZz9YAX99FcoU

This one was interesting. Dane pod

[Klomp]

As crazy as it seems, I think the lineup change that would unlock the most for the team as a whole is starting Rob. However, I don't think that will happen for a while. Kyle brought it up on today's podcast too. The biggest benefits are it wouldn't mess up the bench group and wouldn't tank anyone's trade value. Let Mike heal up.

[Calinks]

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[winforlose]

As crazy as it seems, I think the lineup change that would unlock the most for the team as a whole is starting Rob. However, I don't think that will happen for a while. Kyle brought it up on today's podcast too. The biggest benefits are it wouldn't mess up the bench group and wouldn't tank anyone's trade value. Let Mike heal up.

Starting Rob will not fix much. He would give up a ton of corner 3s as Gobert has to adjust to fix his defensive mistakes. Also can you imagine Dilly trying to deal with ball pressure from the elite NBA defenders for long stretches. There is a reason he leads the team in minus relative to his minutes. We need a legit starting PG and Mike as PG2. Develop Dilly in Iowa this season and when Mike is resting, and then next year Dilly is PG2 over Mike. Also Dilly still has ankle issues.

[Guest84]

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[Norseman79]

Too many people are expecting too much from Edwards. This is an important clarification, you don't ask something that's programmed to kill to nurture. Edwards will never be a playmaker in the sense of running an offense or setting up his teammates. He will have the ability to make passes to people and does so already. Expecting him to become something he isn't is not going to help us. This is why they need to find a legit starting point guard next to him and run an offense that actually features plays designed for him. The biggest identity crisis this team has is a lack of focus and discipline because the system we run is meant to be very free and open. Edwards is not a basketball savant, he is a tremendous athlete with a gift of scoring the ball. You cannot expect him to be a facilitator. To be successful, something must change.

[TheZachAttack]

I have been saying that for Ant to be successful in this spacing he needs to get back to taking 10-15 3's per game, similar to the first stretch of the season. I'm not saying in an ideal world that Ant plays this way, but in order to make an impact against the auto two on the ball with this spacing he has to intentionally find this shot. This is a shot that is available to him even with our spacing, does open up some spacing for himself, and allows him to make an impact offensively.

If we can say "he needs to get off the ball" then we can also say if he doesn't get off the ball he needs to be pulling those 3 point shots. Again, leveling up I would do whatever it takes structurally to get offensive lineups that make more sense around Ant with more spread floors. But, it doesn't seem like the organization is read for that.

Last night was a good example of getting back to taking 10-15 3's and the way it can impact his offensive game.

[Note30]

Too many people are expecting too much from Edwards. This is an important clarification, you don't ask something that's programmed to kill to nurture. Edwards will never be a playmaker in the sense of running an offense or setting up his teammates. He will have the ability to make passes to people and does so already. Expecting him to become something he isn't is not going to help us. This is why they need to find a legit starting point guard next to him and run an offense that actually features plays designed for him. The biggest identity crisis this team has is a lack of focus and discipline because the system we run is meant to be very free and open. Edwards is not a basketball savant, he is a tremendous athlete with a gift of scoring the ball. You cannot expect him to be a facilitator. To be successful, something must change.

This feels like a similar critique people had of Donovan Mitchell on the Jazz. They eventually made him out to be the problem instead of his other teammates who were subpar.

He's playing his real role now and he's doing it well.

Expecting Ant to change his play style to match the deficiencies and poor schemes is a recipe to piss him off.

[Norseman79]

Too many people are expecting too much from Edwards. This is an important clarification, you don't ask something that's programmed to kill to nurture. Edwards will never be a playmaker in the sense of running an offense or setting up his teammates. He will have the ability to make passes to people and does so already. Expecting him to become something he isn't is not going to help us. This is why they need to find a legit starting point guard next to him and run an offense that actually features plays designed for him. The biggest identity crisis this team has is a lack of focus and discipline because the system we run is meant to be very free and open. Edwards is not a basketball savant, he is a tremendous athlete with a gift of scoring the ball. You cannot expect him to be a facilitator. To be successful, something must change.

This feels like a similar critique people had of Donovan Mitchell on the Jazz. They eventually made him out to be the problem instead of his other teammates who were subpar.

He's playing his real role now and he's doing it well.

Expecting Ant to change his play style to match the deficiencies and poor schemes is a recipe to piss him off.

Honestly he's exactly who came to mind regarding a similar situation. Don't get me wrong, I think Edwards is a better player because of his defensive capabilities. But similar to Mitchell, Edwards is getting fingers pointed because people basically expect him to average triple doubles. It's not realistic for who he is as a player. It would be more likely for him to average 40 points a game.

[winforlose]

Too many people are expecting too much from Edwards. This is an important clarification, you don't ask something that's programmed to kill to nurture. Edwards will never be a playmaker in the sense of running an offense or setting up his teammates. He will have the ability to make passes to people and does so already. Expecting him to become something he isn't is not going to help us. This is why they need to find a legit starting point guard next to him and run an offense that actually features plays designed for him. The biggest identity crisis this team has is a lack of focus and discipline because the system we run is meant to be very free and open. Edwards is not a basketball savant, he is a tremendous athlete with a gift of scoring the ball. You cannot expect him to be a facilitator. To be successful, something must change.

This feels like a similar critique people had of Donovan Mitchell on the Jazz. They eventually made him out to be the problem instead of his other teammates who were subpar.

He's playing his real role now and he's doing it well.

Expecting Ant to change his play style to match the deficiencies and poor schemes is a recipe to piss him off.

Honestly he's exactly who came to mind regarding a similar situation. Don't get me wrong, I think Edwards is a better player because of his defensive capabilities. But similar to Mitchell, Edwards is getting fingers pointed because people basically expect him to average triple doubles. It's not realistic for who he is as a player. It would be more likely for him to average 40 points a game.

Quite the contrary. Ant had a 1 shot attempt, 5 assist quarter and said that is not the kind of basketball he want to play. Ant said he is a scorer and followed that with 31 shots in the next game. Ant gave himself a narrative of numbers over everything.

[Note30]

This feels like a similar critique people had of Donovan Mitchell on the Jazz. They eventually made him out to be the problem instead of his other teammates who were subpar.

He's playing his real role now and he's doing it well.

Expecting Ant to change his play style to match the deficiencies and poor schemes is a recipe to piss him off.

Honestly he's exactly who came to mind regarding a similar situation. Don't get me wrong, I think Edwards is a better player because of his defensive capabilities. But similar to Mitchell, Edwards is getting fingers pointed because people basically expect him to average triple doubles. It's not realistic for who he is as a player. It would be more likely for him to average 40 points a game.

Quite the contrary. Ant had a 1 shot attempt, 5 assist quarter and said that is not the kind of basketball he want to play. Ant said he is a scorer and followed that with 31 shots in the next game. Ant gave himself a narrative of numbers over everything.

LOL. He's a shooting guard wtf are you on about? He's averaging the same amount of assists a shooting guard should be.

It's not narrative over numbers it's him having to do everything on offense because our team is incapable of handling itself. Expecting him to try to craft a new style of play is going to be incredibly difficult.

Could he create more with his current skillset? Yes. Should he have to do so on a regular basis? No. That's not his job. Just because our GM wasted all of his picks and didn't get a long term solution at PG doesn't make it Ants fault.

[Norseman79]

Honestly he's exactly who came to mind regarding a similar situation. Don't get me wrong, I think Edwards is a better player because of his defensive capabilities. But similar to Mitchell, Edwards is getting fingers pointed because people basically expect him to average triple doubles. It's not realistic for who he is as a player. It would be more likely for him to average 40 points a game.

Quite the contrary. Ant had a 1 shot attempt, 5 assist quarter and said that is not the kind of basketball he want to play. Ant said he is a scorer and followed that with 31 shots in the next game. Ant gave himself a narrative of numbers over everything.

LOL. He's a shooting guard wtf are you on about? He's averaging the same amount of assists a shooting guard should be.

It's not narrative over numbers it's him having to do everything on offense because our team is incapable of handling itself. Expecting him to try to craft a new style of play is going to be incredibly difficult.

Could he create more with his current skillset? Yes. Should he have to do so on a regular basis? No. That's not his job. Just because our GM wasted all of his picks and didn't get a long term solution at PG doesn't make it Ants fault.

This is pretty much where I was going. Obviously Edwards can pass the ball to people. But that's not his strength. We're trying to turn him into something different. Finch is trying to turn him into something different. Put him in the triangle offense, with a point guard who can get things set up and initiated, and his scoring takes off. I'm just using that as an example. The issue with playing positionless, 5 out, free wheeling offense, is you really want players that are jacks of all trades and Masters of none, or Masters of every trade which isn't realistic. Coaches like Funch love this style, it's beautiful, pure, difficult to stop when working, with the right players. because typically speaking, the game and players of that style are more geared towards that style basketball. Everyone can shoot a little, everyone can pass a little, everyone can dribble a little, but typically no one dominates.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Too many people are expecting too much from Edwards. This is an important clarification, you don't ask something that's programmed to kill to nurture. Edwards will never be a playmaker in the sense of running an offense or setting up his teammates. He will have the ability to make passes to people and does so already. Expecting him to become something he isn't is not going to help us. This is why they need to find a legit starting point guard next to him and run an offense that actually features plays designed for him. The biggest identity crisis this team has is a lack of focus and discipline because the system we run is meant to be very free and open. Edwards is not a basketball savant, he is a tremendous athlete with a gift of scoring the ball. You cannot expect him to be a facilitator. To be successful, something must change.

This feels like a similar critique people had of Donovan Mitchell on the Jazz. They eventually made him out to be the problem instead of his other teammates who were subpar.

He's playing his real role now and he's doing it well.

Expecting Ant to change his play style to match the deficiencies and poor schemes is a recipe to piss him off.

The main difference between Don from Jazz and Cavs is that in the Jazz, he was playing hero ball way too much despite having around him some goods shooters ( Bogda, Clarkson...)a good PG, Mike anda terrific defender, Rudy where in the Cavs, he is the leader and score when needed but keep his teammate involved all the time.

It's not a surprise if Don personal stats now are lower than what he get with the jazz but he is a much better player.... probably call it maturity. Don recently speak in an ITW about being a much mature person now. ANT is just too young to lead a contending team, too much responsibility on his shoulder. We have the perfect fit before for that KAT and TC f.... up by large.

[Note30]

Too many people are expecting too much from Edwards. This is an important clarification, you don't ask something that's programmed to kill to nurture. Edwards will never be a playmaker in the sense of running an offense or setting up his teammates. He will have the ability to make passes to people and does so already. Expecting him to become something he isn't is not going to help us. This is why they need to find a legit starting point guard next to him and run an offense that actually features plays designed for him. The biggest identity crisis this team has is a lack of focus and discipline because the system we run is meant to be very free and open. Edwards is not a basketball savant, he is a tremendous athlete with a gift of scoring the ball. You cannot expect him to be a facilitator. To be successful, something must change.

This feels like a similar critique people had of Donovan Mitchell on the Jazz. They eventually made him out to be the problem instead of his other teammates who were subpar.

He's playing his real role now and he's doing it well.

Expecting Ant to change his play style to match the deficiencies and poor schemes is a recipe to piss him off.

The main difference between Don from Jazz and Cavs is that in the Jazz, he was playing hero ball way too much despite having around him some goods shooters ( Bogda, Clarkson...)a good PG, Mike anda terrific defender, Rudy where in the Cavs, he is the leader and score when needed but keep his teammate involved all the time.

It's not a surprise if Don personal stats now are lower than what he get with the jazz but he is a much better player.... probably call it maturity. Don recently speak in an ITW about being a much mature person now. ANT is just too young to lead a contending team, too much responsibility on his shoulder. We have the perfect fit before for that KAT and TC f.... up by large.

He had like two good shooters. But sure w.e.

We weren't a perfect for last year either. We had a less **** offense, but we weren't amazing, we could just pull out wins. It was still a rickety patched together system. We just had a less old PG, and a star PF anchoring **** down.