Should the Warriors make a trade?

[Onus]

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2024/12/31/24333175/nba-trade-rumors-golden-state-warriors-bulls-top-fits-pelicans-zion-williamson

I'm all-in on the Zion train now. The off chance of restoring him to his former glory is our only shot in hell of winning a ring again in my lifetime at this point

never going to happen but i am gonna speak this into existence

Let’s make it happen. I’ve been trying to and finally an outlet is saying it’s possible.

[Jester_]

Any trade for zion needs dray to go out. Don't think it's plausible to play dray and zion together.

Dubs get

Zion, theis, green, and Robinson

Pels get

Dray, jk, tjd, and gp2

Steph/schroeder
Heild/podz
Wiggins/moody
Zion/slomo
Loon/slomo/post

At least it works financially. Pels get win now and future.

I don't even think we need to give up Kuminga to get Zion. I think the market for him is terrible - who wants to take on that 4 year contract when there's a good chance he's hurt all 4 years

some deal centered around Dray and Podz I think could get it done

[Onus]

Any trade for zion needs dray to go out. Don't think it's plausible to play dray and zion together.

Dubs get

Zion, theis, green, and Robinson

Pels get

Dray, jk, tjd, and gp2

Steph/schroeder
Heild/podz
Wiggins/moody
Zion/slomo
Loon/slomo/post

At least it works financially. Pels get win now and future.

If dray has to go so be it.

But I’ve been saying

Ds/mm/jk/gp2/ka for zw/jre/ar/jg

Moses goes to det and det sends klintman or Wendell Carter. I’d probably want sasser but not sure he would fit under the cap.

Curry/podz
Buddy/waters/ar
Wiggins/jg
Dray/jre/gui
Zion/looney

Klintman/carter/sasser as 14. I’d really want sasser so maybe we add gui and get both klintman and sasser? Probably need to send them some 2nds maybe pels can send them if we’re giving up multiple 1sts to them.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Any trade for zion needs dray to go out. Don't think it's plausible to play dray and zion together.

Dubs get

Zion, theis, green, and Robinson

Pels get

Dray, jk, tjd, and gp2

Steph/schroeder
Heild/podz
Wiggins/moody
Zion/slomo
Loon/slomo/post

At least it works financially. Pels get win now and future.

I don't even think we need to give up Kuminga to get Zion. I think the market for him is terrible - who wants to take on that 4 year contract when there's a good chance he's hurt all 4 years

some deal centered around Dray and Podz I think could get it done

I'm not comfortable giving jk his asking price of at least 5/170 and hoping that adding him means less draft capital going out. If I bring in zion, I try to keep and get as many shooters as possible.

[Onus]

Any trade for zion needs dray to go out. Don't think it's plausible to play dray and zion together.

Dubs get

Zion, theis, green, and Robinson

Pels get

Dray, jk, tjd, and gp2

Steph/schroeder
Heild/podz
Wiggins/moody
Zion/slomo
Loon/slomo/post

At least it works financially. Pels get win now and future.

I don't even think we need to give up Kuminga to get Zion. I think the market for him is terrible - who wants to take on that 4 year contract when there's a good chance he's hurt all 4 years

some deal centered around Dray and Podz I think could get it done

I'm not comfortable giving jk his asking price of at least 5/170 and hoping that adding him means less draft capital going out. If I bring in zion, I try to keep and get as many shooters as possible.

That’s why I want to get ar and sasser. We still don’t get a stretch 4/5. But between dray/zion/looney/jre there’s not much playing time anyway. Maybe we just size down with Wiggins playing the 4. So maybe we play podz or Javonte.

Curry/podz or Javonte/buddy/wiggins/zion? We really would need Zion and dray to be able to play together.

[Jester_]

I didn't realize how many conditions Zion had on his contract. Much better than I thought it was. we'd definitely have to throw some young guys and maybe even a pick in there. but still worth imo especially since he can come off the books early if needed

trade for him, put him on a strict rehab and diet program for 6 months and have him gel with the team in the mean time. in the off-season surround these guys with shooters. then just pray for a healthy Zion postseason next year. one thing kerr is good at is keeping minutes low so we should be able to minimize wear and tear in the season

don't forget we won a championship because we basically did exactly this with Andrew Bogut

[wco81]

Zion isn't playing and there doesn't seem to be any timeline about when he'd play. Maybe the Pelicans are soft tanking sine their record is so bad.

Issue if he came here is that there's no spacing so teams will just build a wall.

[HiRez]

Zion isn't playing and there doesn't seem to be any timeline about when he'd play. Maybe the Pelicans are soft tanking sine their record is so bad.

Issue if he came here is that there's no spacing so teams will just build a wall.

If they really want to move him, why not try it? What the hell do the Warriors have to lose at this point? Their "future" players are mediocre and their "past" players are fading fast. I really don't care what they do as long as they don't keep thinking nibbling around the edges is going to change anything. This team is cooked and going nowhere without a BIG move (and I emphasize BIG for Zion). Maybe removing him from the beignet shops on every corner will turn him around immediately.

[xdrta+]

Zion isn't playing and there doesn't seem to be any timeline about when he'd play. Maybe the Pelicans are soft tanking sine their record is so bad.

Issue if he came here is that there's no spacing so teams will just build a wall.

Zion has played 6 games this season. Supposedly he's doing non-contact work now (as of yesterday.) He's already lost 20% of next years salary by not playing over 60 games and is well on his was to another 20% if he can't get over 50 games. So far he's met all his weight triggers, though.

[whatisacenter]

Zion isn't playing and there doesn't seem to be any timeline about when he'd play. Maybe the Pelicans are soft tanking sine their record is so bad.

Issue if he came here is that there's no spacing so teams will just build a wall.

Zion has played 6 games this season. Supposedly he's doing non-contact work now (as of yesterday.) He's already lost 20% of next years salary by not playing over 60 games and is well on his was to another 20% if he can't get over 50 games. So far he's met all his weight triggers, though.

I would take a chance on a Zion or Brandon Ingram trade. Why not?

[wco81]

Zion isn't playing and there doesn't seem to be any timeline about when he'd play. Maybe the Pelicans are soft tanking sine their record is so bad.

Issue if he came here is that there's no spacing so teams will just build a wall.

If they really want to move him, why not try it? What the hell do the Warriors have to lose at this point? Their "future" players are mediocre and their "past" players are fading fast. I really don't care what they do as long as they don't keep thinking nibbling around the edges is going to change anything. This team is cooked and going nowhere without a BIG move (and I emphasize BIG for Zion). Maybe removing him from the beignet shops on every corner will turn him around immediately.

Sure but if they send out a lot of draft assets, that is a risk if he can’t stay out on the court.

Look at the Cavs. They have 3 top-5 picks in the roster in Garland, Mobley and Okoro. I don’t know if any of them have been all stars or all NBa yet but they all earned second contracts and are rotation players for a team on pace to win 60 or 70 games.

They rebuilt in 5 seasons, after Bron left them for nothing. Now they had some fortune like getting Allen who leveled up after arriving and then when Utah imploded, Mitchell was there.

Those FRPs are going to be very important after Curry retires. You just keep taking shots with top 5 picks. That’s why Houston and Orlando aren’t loaded right now.

As long as Dunleavy isn’t picking players like himself high in the lottery, team should rebuild the talent base.

They may not get another generational like Curry for a long time. But they don’t necessarily need that, just hit some HRs and even doubles consistently and you can’t score without hitting grand slams.

[HiRez]

The only 100% guaranteed unacceptably bad move is to make no moves at all. If they sit on their hands through this trade deadline they'll deserve every bit of shame, fan apathy, and player dissatisfaction that will follow.

[Mac1958]

There may not be a more dangerous health risk, within the context of the size of a contract, in the NBA than Zion right now.

I wouldn't blame a team for having zero (0) interest in him. I'd give them a second rounder, at most.

[wco81]

The only 100% guaranteed unacceptably bad move is to make no moves at all. If they sit on their hands through this trade deadline they'll deserve every bit of shame, fan apathy, and player dissatisfaction that will follow.

Or they’d be delaying the inevitable rebuild, giving away valuable draft assets.

[Onus]

There may not be a more dangerous health risk, within the context of the size of a contract, in the NBA than Zion right now.

I wouldn't blame a team for having zero (0) interest in him. I'd give them a second rounder, at most.

His contract has so many outs. The pels might be able to waive him at the end of the year if they don't trade him, or any team that does trade for him could do so.

[HiRez]

The only 100% guaranteed unacceptably bad move is to make no moves at all. If they sit on their hands through this trade deadline they'll deserve every bit of shame, fan apathy, and player dissatisfaction that will follow.

Or they’d be delaying the inevitable rebuild, giving away valuable draft assets.

Then isn't that just the "2 timelines" strategy all over again? If the goal is to maximize future assets then they should be trading Steph. They can make trades without picks but they probably don't have much value (Kuminga is an expiring but Dubs could still match offers, and Moody, Podz, and TJD all have questionable value at best).

They basically have these options:

• Do nothing, this is the team. Logic/math suggest this is a play-in team and maybe worse as Steph & Draymond have increasing availability issues (Steph and Draymond both questionable again for tonight's game).
• Do nothing with the roster, but swap Kerr for Brown and pray it changes things up for the better.
• Trade anyone and everyone for picks, accelerate the rebuild, and supercharge it with picks for Steph.
• Keep Steph & Draymond (and presumably Wiggins?), keep all your picks, trade anyone else for marginal role-players.
• Keep Steph (+), but use at least 1 pick to boost when you can get in return, maybe that buys you some quality fringe roleplayer/starter types like Cam Johnson (although technically they are asking multiple picks for him).
• Keep Steph (+), use 1 pick plus youngsters to get a damaged/old/risky elite player (Zion, Butler, etc.)
• Keep Steph (+), use multiple picks plus youngsters to get 1 or 2 elite level players and/or quality starters, guys along the lines of Markkanen, OG Anunoby, etc.

Which of those is most effective? I have no idea! But, I'm pretty sure the first option is the worst of all of them. If you think this team is going to make a miraculous run through 16-28 playoff games (plus 1-2 play-in games?) then I don't think you have been paying attention. Most of the paths that might be expected to improve their situation in a significant way require sending out at least one pick. It sucks and no one is happy with the choices, but that's where they are.

[bay2hk]

I like the Zion trade idea. Trade Wiggins plus salary fillers, then start Kuminga in place of Wiggins. It might be possible to get Zion without giving up a pick due to his availability. If it doesn’t work out by next year then we can cut him for cap savings and resign Kuminga.

[HiRez]

I like the Zion trade idea. Trade Wiggins plus salary fillers, then start Kuminga in place of Wiggins. It might be possible to get Zion without giving up a pick due to his availability. If it doesn’t work out by next year then we can cut him for cap savings and resign Kuminga.

I'm all for that if it's a possibility but I have to think New Orleans isn't going to let him go that easily/cheaply. Damaged or not, he's still a young former #1 pick and an absolute beast when he does play. Honestly I'd be willing to give up a pick for him if it's necessary because I'll take a proven player over a nebulous draft pick. We know Zion can play with the best the league has to offer. The chances of that pick being better are very, very low, even if the Warriors are picking high.

[Jester_]

I like the Zion trade idea. Trade Wiggins plus salary fillers, then start Kuminga in place of Wiggins. It might be possible to get Zion without giving up a pick due to his availability. If it doesn’t work out by next year then we can cut him for cap savings and resign Kuminga.

I'm all for that if it's a possibility but I have to think New Orleans isn't going to let him go that easily/cheaply. Damaged or not, he's still a young former #1 pick and an absolute beast when he does play. Honestly I'd be willing to give up a pick for him if it's necessary because I'll take a proven player over a nebulous draft pick. We know Zion can play with the best the league has to offer. The chances of that pick being better are very, very low, even if the Warriors are picking high.

I think if NO were smart they'd hang on to Zion and just try to get another superstar in the draft. If they pick up Cooper Flagg and manage to turn Zion around they're a championship team in 2 years

however they're so incompetent it's hard to say what they're doing

[Crazy-Canuck]

I like the Zion trade idea. Trade Wiggins plus salary fillers, then start Kuminga in place of Wiggins. It might be possible to get Zion without giving up a pick due to his availability. If it doesn’t work out by next year then we can cut him for cap savings and resign Kuminga.

Lol, steph, Schroeder, jk, Zion, and dray. Worst shooting team in the league by far. Is that you Kerr?