Best SF/Wing for Daniel Gafford?

[daoneandonly]

Happy New Year, all! Hope its a joyous 2025.

I thought I'd start the new year with a Mavs thread, seeing what SF/wing Dallas could get for Gaff. I am not sure how much value the Landlord has league-wide. He's a solid player who knows his part, but Dallas seems to play better with Lively. Granted, it is always nice to have a solid backup, and D-Live does have some availability concerns, but if Dallas could turn Gafford into a solid wing, they should be able to parlay other players/assets into a backup 5.

Ayn ideas?

[Godaddycurse]

whats wrong w/ marshall?

[jbk1234]

Probably a three team trade where the Mavs get Thybulle and Portland gets a couple of seconds and matcing salary (or slightly less).

That said, I don't think it will be easy for the Mavs to replace him. The Pacers lost both of their backup centers. Mo Wagner and Nance are lost for the season. You have Richards and Boucher as available comps. The only good thing for the backup center market is that the Pelicans have been bad enough to drop out as a buyer.

[Astaluego]

Gafford+FRP25+31 by Herb Jones.. Then we use Grimes/Maxi+Filling for Nurkic..??or any backup center

[daoneandonly]

whats wrong w/ marshall?

Oh, I love Marshall; I actually think he should start over Klay. Call this a knee-jerk, overreaction thread to his current suspension and Dallas's falling in the West standings.

[jayjaysee]

I think NOP would’ve been the most realistic destination for Gafford. Split minutes with a decent rookie. But their season hasn’t gone as expected. At all.

I don’t see the team that would value Gafford highly enough to move him unfortunately. Teams with the need don’t have the medium asset he calls for.. Dallas better off packaging less important players and their limited draft capital IMO.

[LarsV8]

JeSean Tate and Landale.

[daoneandonly]

Wow I must have really overrated Gaff. I definitely didn't think he could net someone the caliber of Herb Jones. But Ja'sean Tate or Thybulle? If that's his value, Gaff can and should remain a Mav

[jayjaysee]

I don’t like the idea I don’t think.

But what value goes into…

Gafford to LAL
Val to Dallas
Vincent+JHS to Washington

So Dallas gets 3.5 million breathing room. You want to use it to duck the tax by dumping Exum? That’s smart. Or you want to use it to turn Exum+Powell into a 10-11 million dollar wing? That’s smart.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I’d like OKC to go back and make this trade a year ago, please.

Unfortunately I don’t see the Mavs and OKC dealing directly. And with Hart less of a need now.

Rock solid player off the bench though.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I don’t like the idea I don’t think.

But what value goes into…

Gafford to LAL
Val to Dallas
Vincent+JHS to Washington

So Dallas gets 3.5 million breathing room. You want to use it to duck the tax by dumping Exum? That’s smart. Or you want to use it to turn Exum+Powell into a 10-11 million dollar wing? That’s smart.

Try to get Kispert in that deal imo.

[jayjaysee]

I don’t like the idea I don’t think.

But what value goes into…

Gafford to LAL
Val to Dallas
Vincent+JHS to Washington

So Dallas gets 3.5 million breathing room. You want to use it to duck the tax by dumping Exum? That’s smart. Or you want to use it to turn Exum+Powell into a 10-11 million dollar wing? That’s smart.

Try to get Kispert in that deal imo.

Yeah, that is who I was looking at as an easy target. Not my favorite name, but is locked up.

Not sure how far the league would make Dallas work to get around the PP, but it’s possible no matter what. Dallas has TPE’s, Washington has tax space.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I don’t like the idea I don’t think.

But what value goes into…

Gafford to LAL
Val to Dallas
Vincent+JHS to Washington

So Dallas gets 3.5 million breathing room. You want to use it to duck the tax by dumping Exum? That’s smart. Or you want to use it to turn Exum+Powell into a 10-11 million dollar wing? That’s smart.

Try to get Kispert in that deal imo.

Yeah, that is who I was looking at as an easy target. Not my favorite name, but is locked up.

Not sure how far the league would make Dallas work to get around the PP, but it’s possible no matter what. Dallas has TPE’s, Washington has tax space.

Loop Detroit to dump some outgoing with seconds/cash

[Godaddycurse]

could a kuminga for gafford trade make sense? not sure who should add?

[jayu70]

Probably a three team trade where the Mavs get Thybulle and Portland gets a couple of seconds and matcing salary (or slightly less).

That said, I don't think it will be easy for the Mavs to replace him. The Pacers lost both of their backup centers. Mo Wagner and Nance are lost for the season. You have Richards and Boucher as available comps. The only good thing for the backup center market is that the Pelicans have been bad enough to drop out as a buyer.

Nance isn't out for the season. Fractured hand - surgery today. 6 week or so timeline to return is my guess.

[jayjaysee]

could a kuminga for gafford trade make sense? not sure who should add?

Dallas should add their 2025 first to that IMO.

Especially if you manage to get Dallas a backup center worthwhile (Richards) that keeps Dallas under the tax..

GSW doesn’t do it I don’t think..

[psman2]

Wow I must have really overrated Gaff. I definitely didn't think he could net someone the caliber of Herb Jones. But Ja'sean Tate or Thybulle? If that's his value, Gaff can and should remain a Mav

You got him for the OKC pick that was nearly GTD to be late pick and a negative two year contract of Holmes. He has played as many expected him to play just like he was in Washington before the trade. He is a fringe starter and good backup. I think that is likely still his value range if not a little less with a year off his contract. He can pull more than Tate or Thybulle, those teams would need to add 2nds, or some kind of 3 way with more value landing in Dallas.

Rotational worthy wings are just more in demand than centers of this level. I would start with the teams that need Gafford and work from that starting point. I don't think NO is going to pay any assets for him, they will just let Missi eat all the minutes he can in a lost season. I don't think the list is very long of teams willing to give Dallas the value they want versus just keeping him. Several teams would like him but don't have a logical way to obtain him.

[jayjaysee]

Try to get Kispert in that deal imo.

Yeah, that is who I was looking at as an easy target. Not my favorite name, but is locked up.

Not sure how far the league would make Dallas work to get around the PP, but it’s possible no matter what. Dallas has TPE’s, Washington has tax space.

Loop Detroit to dump some outgoing with seconds/cash

Doesn’t even need it really and doubt Washington would want to give up any of the value for that.

Kispert’s PPE shouldn’t impact Apron rules I don’t think. So Dallas can use the THJ TPE to take him in to make a legal trade.

If it does, then you still take Kispert into the TPE, but you need to add like 2-3 players from each team to play with it. Washington and Dallas both have decent sized TPE’s so would be fine to work around

[jbk1234]

Probably a three team trade where the Mavs get Thybulle and Portland gets a couple of seconds and matcing salary (or slightly less).

That said, I don't think it will be easy for the Mavs to replace him. The Pacers lost both of their backup centers. Mo Wagner and Nance are lost for the season. You have Richards and Boucher as available comps. The only good thing for the backup center market is that the Pelicans have been bad enough to drop out as a buyer.

Nance isn't out for the season. Fractured hand - surgery today. 6 week or so timeline to return is my guess.

They have him listed out indefinitely pending the results of the surgery, but a broken hand is a broken hand. In any event, he won't see the court again before the trade deadline.

[daoneandonly]

could a kuminga for gafford trade make sense? not sure who should add?

Dallas should add their 2025 first to that IMO.

Especially if you manage to get Dallas a backup center worthwhile (Richards) that keeps Dallas under the tax..

GSW doesn’t do it I don’t think..

Kuminga was actually one of the names that came to mind for me, as well as Terrence Mann, and to a lesser extent Nesmith. But though Kuminga's value may far exceed that of Gaff's. He's hard to get a gauge on.

But I think it's a swap that would benefit both teams. Given how pick shallow Dallas already is, I wouldn't add an FRP to it personally, but maybe an Exum/GPII swap as well would make it more worthwhile for the Ws.