Pelicans/Knicks - Knicks risk it all!

[ispitmoney1]

Rumblings of trade centered around OG Anunoby and Brandon Ingram. Where there is smoke there could be fire as Josh Hart (Lakers, Pelicans, Olympics) and Jalen Brunson (Olympics) have experience playing with Ingram.

Thoughts on the potential trade?


https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/new-york-knicks/news/knicks-could-shock-nba-trade-213-million-wing-pelicans-all-star/2b8674ecab75f6ad5685c9a4

[jayjaysee]

Would cost more than NOP would pay imo

[taikibansei]

That is just some random dude throwing out the Knicks' name for extra clicks. Ingram provides nothing the Knicks need--our offense is fine--and we're not giving up OG (in many ways our best defender) for him.

We need more defensive depth--to include healthy bigs (Precious and Robinson--or we need to trade one for somebody more reliable), but more perimeter players off the bench (that Thibs will trust with minutes) would be nice too. Otherwise, we're good.

[ispitmoney1]

That is just some random dude throwing out the Knicks' name for extra clicks. Ingram provides nothing the Knicks need--our offense is fine--and we're not giving up OG (in many ways our best defender) for him.

We need more defensive depth--to include healthy bigs (Precious and Robinson--or we need to trade one for somebody more reliable), but more perimeter players off the bench (that Thibs will trust with minutes) would be nice too. Otherwise, we're good.

Agreed tough to lose OG for Knicks.
Could be possible if Pelicans adds some combo of Herb Jones/Theis/Alvarado/picks. Knicks have salary to match btw Robinson/Precious/Sims/Dadiet/Payne. Thoughts?

[R-DAWG]

I couldn’t think of a worse trade idea for the Knicks than future sacrificing depth and defense for another ball dominant player.

I do think, however, that over the next 18 months (between now and the 2026 offseason) the Knicks are going to have a serious conversation about breaking the Anunoby contract into multiple role players while recouping some draft assets. The minutes the Knicks starters are playing isn’t sustainable over the 4 year window of this core.

I’m thinking more along the lines for a deal with Dallas for P.J. Washington, Daniel Gafford, 2025 1st (top-5 protected) and 2031 1st (unprotected). This trade can be expanded to add a 7mm range player, up to 9mm with a minimum guy (I would target Ayo Dusonmo for the Bulls).

Brunson/Bridges/Hart/Towns/Gafford
Payne/Duce/Dysunmo/Washington/Robinson (Precious)

Or a deal with Sacramento for Malik Monk, Keagan Murray and a future unprotected 1st rd pick. This trade can be expanded to add another 10mm ish player (closer to 12mm by including a min sal player) which fits Jonas Valancunis perfectly.

Brunson/Bridges/Hart/Towns/Valancunis
Duce/Monk/Murray/Robinson (Precious).

Big returns that add depth and setup another move.

I love the SAC move because it gives the Knicks another shot creator off the bench in addition to the ability to flex KAT between the 4/5 depending on matchups. Plus you throw another pick in the hopper for a future move.

[R-DAWG]

That is just some random dude throwing out the Knicks' name for extra clicks. Ingram provides nothing the Knicks need--our offense is fine--and we're not giving up OG (in many ways our best defender) for him.

We need more defensive depth--to include healthy bigs (Precious and Robinson--or we need to trade one for somebody more reliable), but more perimeter players off the bench (that Thibs will trust with minutes) would be nice too. Otherwise, we're good.

Agreed tough to lose OG for Knicks.
Could be possible if Pelicans adds some combo of Herb Jones/Theis/Alvarado/picks. Knicks have salary to match btw Robinson/Precious/Sims/Dadiet/Payne. Thoughts?

If the Pelicans wanted OG, I’d be interested in a Herb Jones plus multiple 1’s type of trade. Gives NY to loop in some other teams for depth. Utah with Collin Sexton/Walker Kessler for example.

The same concept of downgrading from OG to get 2-3 rotation pieces plus a future asset.

[Godaddycurse]

I couldn’t think of a worse trade idea for the Knicks than future sacrificing depth and defense for another ball dominant player.

I do think, however, that over the next 18 months (between now and the 2026 offseason) the Knicks are going to have a serious conversation about breaking the Anunoby contract into multiple role players while recouping some draft assets. The minutes the Knicks starters are playing isn’t sustainable over the 4 year window of this core.

I’m thinking more along the lines for a deal with Dallas for P.J. Washington, Daniel Gafford, 2025 1st (top-5 protected) and 2031 1st (unprotected). This trade can be expanded to add a 7mm range player, up to 9mm with a minimum guy (I would target Ayo Dusonmo for the Bulls).

Brunson/Bridges/Hart/Towns/Gafford
Payne/Duce/Dysunmo/Washington/Robinson (Precious)

Or a deal with Sacramento for Malik Monk, Keagan Murray and a future unprotected 1st rd pick. This trade can be expanded to add another 10mm ish player (closer to 12mm by including a min sal player) which fits Jonas Valancunis perfectly.

Brunson/Bridges/Hart/Towns/Valancunis
Duce/Monk/Murray/Robinson (Precious).

Big returns that add depth and setup another move.

I love the SAC move because it gives the Knicks another shot creator off the bench in addition to the ability to flex KAT between the 4/5 depending on matchups. Plus you throw another pick in the hopper for a future move.

OG on that contract is not fetching you 3 1sts worth of value. His value went down since the last trade, not up.

[spree8]

I couldn’t think of a worse trade idea for the Knicks than future sacrificing depth and defense for another ball dominant player.

I do think, however, that over the next 18 months (between now and the 2026 offseason) the Knicks are going to have a serious conversation about breaking the Anunoby contract into multiple role players while recouping some draft assets. The minutes the Knicks starters are playing isn’t sustainable over the 4 year window of this core.

I’m thinking more along the lines for a deal with Dallas for P.J. Washington, Daniel Gafford, 2025 1st (top-5 protected) and 2031 1st (unprotected). This trade can be expanded to add a 7mm range player, up to 9mm with a minimum guy (I would target Ayo Dusonmo for the Bulls).

Brunson/Bridges/Hart/Towns/Gafford
Payne/Duce/Dysunmo/Washington/Robinson (Precious)

Or a deal with Sacramento for Malik Monk, Keagan Murray and a future unprotected 1st rd pick. This trade can be expanded to add another 10mm ish player (closer to 12mm by including a min sal player) which fits Jonas Valancunis perfectly.

Brunson/Bridges/Hart/Towns/Valancunis
Duce/Monk/Murray/Robinson (Precious).

Big returns that add depth and setup another move.

I love the SAC move because it gives the Knicks another shot creator off the bench in addition to the ability to flex KAT between the 4/5 depending on matchups. Plus you throw another pick in the hopper for a future move.

OG on that contract is not fetching you 3 1sts worth of value. His value went down since the last trade, not up.

#1 I don’t support any trade of OG. He’s way too important to the team and I don’t think the FO, coach, players, or fans would be ok with him leaving. Highly doubt they would entertain a deal like that.

#2 if you think his value went down since the trade, well, guess you haven’t been watching him play this year. That’s a pretty strange take considering his impact to our success..

[R-DAWG]

I couldn’t think of a worse trade idea for the Knicks than future sacrificing depth and defense for another ball dominant player.

I do think, however, that over the next 18 months (between now and the 2026 offseason) the Knicks are going to have a serious conversation about breaking the Anunoby contract into multiple role players while recouping some draft assets. The minutes the Knicks starters are playing isn’t sustainable over the 4 year window of this core.

I’m thinking more along the lines for a deal with Dallas for P.J. Washington, Daniel Gafford, 2025 1st (top-5 protected) and 2031 1st (unprotected). This trade can be expanded to add a 7mm range player, up to 9mm with a minimum guy (I would target Ayo Dusonmo for the Bulls).

Brunson/Bridges/Hart/Towns/Gafford
Payne/Duce/Dysunmo/Washington/Robinson (Precious)

Or a deal with Sacramento for Malik Monk, Keagan Murray and a future unprotected 1st rd pick. This trade can be expanded to add another 10mm ish player (closer to 12mm by including a min sal player) which fits Jonas Valancunis perfectly.

Brunson/Bridges/Hart/Towns/Valancunis
Duce/Monk/Murray/Robinson (Precious).

Big returns that add depth and setup another move.

I love the SAC move because it gives the Knicks another shot creator off the bench in addition to the ability to flex KAT between the 4/5 depending on matchups. Plus you throw another pick in the hopper for a future move.

OG on that contract is not fetching you 3 1sts worth of value. His value went down since the last trade, not up.

#1 I don’t support any trade of OG. He’s way too important to the team and I don’t think the FO, coach, players, or fans would be ok with him leaving. Highly doubt they would entertain a deal like that.

#2 if you think his value went down since the trade, well, guess you haven’t been watching him play this year. That’s a pretty strange take considering his impact to our success..

While the contract isn’t great, it’s also not horrible. It’s pretty much 25% of the cap whereas max deals start at 30% of the cap.

Also I think when you’re looking at a team like Dallas, they would view OG as a final piece to a championship core that has a window around a top 3 player.

But more importantly, the Knicks won’t trade OG unless the return is substantial.

[taikibansei]

That is just some random dude throwing out the Knicks' name for extra clicks. Ingram provides nothing the Knicks need--our offense is fine--and we're not giving up OG (in many ways our best defender) for him.

We need more defensive depth--to include healthy bigs (Precious and Robinson--or we need to trade one for somebody more reliable), but more perimeter players off the bench (that Thibs will trust with minutes) would be nice too. Otherwise, we're good.

Agreed tough to lose OG for Knicks.
Could be possible if Pelicans adds some combo of Herb Jones/Theis/Alvarado/picks. Knicks have salary to match btw Robinson/Precious/Sims/Dadiet/Payne. Thoughts?

If the Pelicans wanted OG, I’d be interested in a Herb Jones plus multiple 1’s type of trade. Gives NY to loop in some other teams for depth. Utah with Collin Sexton/Walker Kessler for example.

The same concept of downgrading from OG to get 2-3 rotation pieces plus a future asset.

Why the heck would we want to downgrade from OG now and/or soon?! We currently have the #2 offense in the NBA (after only the Cavs), and we're 14th on defense (and improving daily with key players still returning). There are maybe two teams--Boston, OKC--that I'd be nervous about playing in the postseason. I think we'd be extremely competitive with everyone else.

OG's play is a key part in all this. You don't downgrade now for picks and spare parts when we're a top-five team with a puncher's chance at winning it all. (And newsflash, Ainge is not trading Kessler to us unless we absolutely gut our team.)

[taikibansei]

I couldn’t think of a worse trade idea for the Knicks than future sacrificing depth and defense for another ball dominant player.

I do think, however, that over the next 18 months (between now and the 2026 offseason) the Knicks are going to have a serious conversation about breaking the Anunoby contract into multiple role players while recouping some draft assets. The minutes the Knicks starters are playing isn’t sustainable over the 4 year window of this core.

I’m thinking more along the lines for a deal with Dallas for P.J. Washington, Daniel Gafford, 2025 1st (top-5 protected) and 2031 1st (unprotected). This trade can be expanded to add a 7mm range player, up to 9mm with a minimum guy (I would target Ayo Dusonmo for the Bulls).

Brunson/Bridges/Hart/Towns/Gafford
Payne/Duce/Dysunmo/Washington/Robinson (Precious)

Or a deal with Sacramento for Malik Monk, Keagan Murray and a future unprotected 1st rd pick. This trade can be expanded to add another 10mm ish player (closer to 12mm by including a min sal player) which fits Jonas Valancunis perfectly.

Brunson/Bridges/Hart/Towns/Valancunis
Duce/Monk/Murray/Robinson (Precious).

Big returns that add depth and setup another move.

I love the SAC move because it gives the Knicks another shot creator off the bench in addition to the ability to flex KAT between the 4/5 depending on matchups. Plus you throw another pick in the hopper for a future move.

OG on that contract is not fetching you 3 1sts worth of value. His value went down since the last trade, not up.

OG would fetch more than Ingram. OG's a far better defender, and while Ingram provides somewhat better scoring, it's not nearly enough to offset the defensive gap. (We also don't need more scoring.) Finally, Ingram wanted the max this past summer and refused to sign an extension when it wasn't offered--any new team will have to make a trade with this in mind. Hard pass.

That said, we're not trading OG.

[jbk1234]

I have to imagine the Knicks ask for Herb Jones as well.

[cgf]

Why would New York want Ingram? There would be a logic to OG for Herb + Trey +, but not for Ingram. Offense is not going to be this team’s undoing…

[cgf]

That is just some random dude throwing out the Knicks' name for extra clicks. Ingram provides nothing the Knicks need--our offense is fine--and we're not giving up OG (in many ways our best defender) for him.

We need more defensive depth--to include healthy bigs (Precious and Robinson--or we need to trade one for somebody more reliable), but more perimeter players off the bench (that Thibs will trust with minutes) would be nice too. Otherwise, we're good.

Agreed tough to lose OG for Knicks.
Could be possible if Pelicans adds some combo of Herb Jones/Theis/Alvarado/picks. Knicks have salary to match btw Robinson/Precious/Sims/Dadiet/Payne. Thoughts?

Robinson for Herb is the only Knicks - Pels trade that makes sense for NY…if we had a follow up trade using Dadiet + picks to upgrade on Sims…but that one doesn’t do anything for the Pels

[BowlRips]

Should be locked. One of the most unrealistic trades proposed on here all year

[R-DAWG]

Agreed tough to lose OG for Knicks.
Could be possible if Pelicans adds some combo of Herb Jones/Theis/Alvarado/picks. Knicks have salary to match btw Robinson/Precious/Sims/Dadiet/Payne. Thoughts?

If the Pelicans wanted OG, I’d be interested in a Herb Jones plus multiple 1’s type of trade. Gives NY to loop in some other teams for depth. Utah with Collin Sexton/Walker Kessler for example.

The same concept of downgrading from OG to get 2-3 rotation pieces plus a future asset.

Why the heck would we want to downgrade from OG now and/or soon?! We currently have the #2 offense in the NBA (after only the Cavs), and we're 14th on defense (and improving daily with key players still returning). There are maybe two teams--Boston, OKC--that I'd be nervous about playing in the postseason. I think we'd be extremely competitive with everyone else.

OG's play is a key part in all this. You don't downgrade now for picks and spare parts when we're a top-five team with a puncher's chance at winning it all. (And newsflash, Ainge is not trading Kessler to us unless we absolutely gut our team.)

I wouldn’t call Malik Monk and Keagan Murray spare parts. Sure, Murray isn’t the defender OG is and has struggled a little with his shot this year, but Monk adds a different element to the bench. The pick gives you amo to add a third quality rotation piece. In totality, you rebuild your depth going 1 for 3, which you can argue makes you a better team. Downgrading OG’s roster spot in exchange for quality depth.

I’m not saying the Knicks should downgrade from OG. They most likely will take another trade cycle or two to add some depth in the margins. But the lack of depth is not going to be sustainable over the next 4 years.

Adding context here, I’m a Knicks fan who thinks they built a pretender. Their record looks better than they are because they are overplaying their top guys to beat mediocre teams in the regular season. This doesn’t look sustainable over the course of a full season and will get exposed in the playoffs.