2024-25 Regular Season

[JonFromVA]

Or maybe the Cavs just enter the tax a year earlier than they might want to? *shrugs*

It doesn't even matter if they see a path out of it before the repeater kicks in.

I’m not worried as much about the repeater tax as I am about being over the 2nd apron for more than two years. Just depends on who we retain next year. LeVert, Jerome, and Merrill might get expensive.

It could get expensive and it would be nice to keep some of them, but for instance is there going to be gambling inside arena's? The league just might outgrow our spending as long as we're reasonable like we were with Isaac.

[toooskies]

Or maybe the Cavs just enter the tax a year earlier than they might want to? *shrugs*

It doesn't even matter if they see a path out of it before the repeater kicks in.

I’m not worried as much about the repeater tax as I am about being over the 2nd apron for more than two years. Just depends on who we retain next year. LeVert, Jerome, and Merrill might get expensive.

It could get expensive and it would be nice to keep some of them, but for instance is there going to be gambling inside arena's? The league just might outgrow our spending as long as we're reasonable like we were with Isaac.

The TV deal will max out the cap growth at 10% for at least the length of their contracts, but we are going to be a tax team for the foreseeable future.

What we might get away with is descending contracts for three years where we are deep in the tax next year but get out of the 2nd apron by 2027.

[JujitsuFlip]

I agree that keeping those 3 is gonna be tough.

I wonder if we could find some cheap pieces to replace them, to fit into the system.

[toooskies]

I agree that keeping those 3 is gonna be tough.

I wonder if we could find some cheap pieces to replace them, to fit into the system.

Tyson and Bates might develop. In theory, those are the roles they were drafted to play.

[Eightnineborn]

If I had to pick two of the three Id pick Levert and Merrill, even though Ty has been insane.

[JonFromVA]

If I had to pick two of the three Id pick Levert and Merrill, even though Ty has been insane.

Care to expound on that?

Having Ty healthy this season as our backup PG has been an amazing luxury. I like CPJ, but I feel a lot better having Jerome if/when Darius or Donovan get hurt.

It's going to be tough to lose any of them, which is a really good thing.

[JujitsuFlip]

Cavs about to go on a little west coast swing. The Christmas day injuries to Luka and AD *might* make it not as treacherous but we'll see.

[mcfly1204]

If I had to pick two of the three Id pick Levert and Merrill, even though Ty has been insane.

Care to expound on that?

Having Ty healthy this season as our backup PG has been an amazing luxury. I like CPJ, but I feel a lot better having Jerome if/when Darius or Donovan get hurt.

It's going to be tough to lose any of them, which is a really good thing.

Obviously cost is a big factor, but I'd be looking to retain Jerome and Merrill. It'd be great if we could lock Sam into a deal similar to Wade's.

[toooskies]

If I had to pick two of the three Id pick Levert and Merrill, even though Ty has been insane.

Care to expound on that?

Having Ty healthy this season as our backup PG has been an amazing luxury. I like CPJ, but I feel a lot better having Jerome if/when Darius or Donovan get hurt.

It's going to be tough to lose any of them, which is a really good thing.

Obviously cost is a big factor, but I'd be looking to retain Jerome and Merrill. It'd be great if we could lock Sam into a deal similar to Wade's.

I’d want to set up descending contracts for Jerome/Merrill/LeVert so that the tax/apron consequences hit early. Either that or 2-year deals.

[Eightnineborn]

In a recent interview, I didnt like Donovan’s mindset, he said something along the lines of, “our goal is to win a championship within the next 5 years”… the mindset should be to win one this year, and then the next… etc

[JujitsuFlip]

In a recent interview, I didnt like Donovan’s mindset, he said something along the lines of, “our goal is to win a championship within the next 5 years”… the mindset should be to win one this year, and then the next… etc

There's no point to apply that pressure to themselves. If they win one this season, great. The aim should be the ECF, keep the natural progression going.

It's Kenny's 1st season, core 4 are locked up for many seasons, all the players are still young.

[Eightnineborn]

In a recent interview, I didnt like Donovan’s mindset, he said something along the lines of, “our goal is to win a championship within the next 5 years”… the mindset should be to win one this year, and then the next… etc

There's no point to apply that pressure to themselves. If they win one this season, great. The aim should be the ECF, keep the natural progression going.

It's Kenny's 1st season, core 4 are locked up for many seasons, all the players are still young.

I know Evan has a big upside still, I think Ja is who he is and Darius is who he is (could still get slightly better)… but when it comes to Donovan, how many years do you think he has this prime Don left in the tank ? I love how Kenny isnt playing him heavy minutes and hope to see him get rests on some b2bs and some games that dont mean much. But does he have 5 more years of Peak Donovan left in the tank ?

[JonFromVA]

In a recent interview, I didnt like Donovan’s mindset, he said something along the lines of, “our goal is to win a championship within the next 5 years”… the mindset should be to win one this year, and then the next… etc

There's no point to apply that pressure to themselves. If they win one this season, great. The aim should be the ECF, keep the natural progression going.

It's Kenny's 1st season, core 4 are locked up for many seasons, all the players are still young.

I know Evan has a big upside still, I think Ja is who he is and Darius is who he is (could still get slightly better)… but when it comes to Donovan, how many years do you think he has this prime Don left in the tank ? I love how Kenny isnt playing him heavy minutes and hope to see him get rests on some b2bs and some games that dont mean much. But does he have 5 more years of Peak Donovan left in the tank ?

I have no problem with Donovan having a realistic outlook. Of course they want to win 5 in a row, but deluding yourself in to thinking you've already arrived because of your regular season performance can be detrimental.

Experience and continuity are very important unless you just get super lucky.

As for how Don ages, those 5 years will cover the bulk of his physical prime. Unless injuries catch up to him, he should be terrific and continue to grow mentally.

[JujitsuFlip]

In a recent interview, I didnt like Donovan’s mindset, he said something along the lines of, “our goal is to win a championship within the next 5 years”… the mindset should be to win one this year, and then the next… etc

There's no point to apply that pressure to themselves. If they win one this season, great. The aim should be the ECF, keep the natural progression going.

It's Kenny's 1st season, core 4 are locked up for many seasons, all the players are still young.

I know Evan has a big upside still, I think Ja is who he is and Darius is who he is (could still get slightly better)… but when it comes to Donovan, how many years do you think he has this prime Don left in the tank ? I love how Kenny isnt playing him heavy minutes and hope to see him get rests on some b2bs and some games that dont mean much. But does he have 5 more years of Peak Donovan left in the tank ?

He just turned 28, I'd say he has this season and 2 more at minimum.

Everyone's prime is different. And if he's your 2nd or 3rd best player, instead of 1st Cavs could probably still win a chip. The other 3 guys in the core4 haven't even hit their physical primes yet.

[JonFromVA]

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[ijspeelman]

Now that we are in 2025, have your expectations for the Cavs this year changed?

I'm really not changing where I was at the beginning of the season that I want to see these guys in an ECF and I'll be very happy. I think they've showed that they are real contenders based on their record, but the playoffs are a different beast and anything can happen.

I will say, for my own selfish reasons, would love to see the Cavs play the Magic, Knicks, and Celts in the playoffs to ward off some demons. Especially the Knicks... that series has tainted the general view on the Cavs since it happened and quelling those demons would do a lot just for the public purview of the Cavs. However, I also just want the Cavs to win a championship so I am down for the easiest route possible haha.

Edit: I know I shouldn't care about the general NBA fan's view on the Cavs, but even on RealGM its hard to have a conversation about the Cavs without the convo going back to "but can they do it in the playoffs" or "2014-15 Hawks/2020-21 Jazz" so I barely bother with the GB

[JonFromVA]

Who cares, this is a very special team like few we've seen in the history of the team. A complete joy to watch with no controversy or bull. The Cavs team's I'd compare them to are one of the early Daugherty, Price, Harper teams before we traded KJ. Just so much promise and youth. And the '08/'09 team that won 66 games.

Neither of those teams made it to the finals.

How far this team actually goes will come down to health and the challenges they have to solve along the way. So many champions have won it all with a huge dose of luck. Why not us?

[KuruptedCav]

I just want to enjoy the ride and see them healthy.

I’d love for there to be a plan B to Dean Wade, but two-way stretch fours that don’t carve up the team to acquire are like unicorns.

In the words of John Madden, the team that scores the most points usually wins the game. I love the depth and am curious to see how this translates to the playoffs.


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[jbk1234]

They have some decisions to make, but they should probably wait until the deadline to see who's still healthy. You don't want to trade Merrill and have Ty Jerome get injured, or vis versa. I think the chances of us retaining LeVert are really low once Mobley's extension kicks in this summer, but maybe Okoro isn't back to 100% by the deadline.

[JujitsuFlip]

At least Mitch is getting some love.