Presti overpaying for Deni?

[Pattycakes]

Portland doesn't like this, but has to consider it. Deni is probably the team's best player, which makes the optics of flipping him difficult and means another setback to the rebuild. On the other hand, the cost of acquiring Deni is sunk, the rebuild is going nowhere fast, and 2025 is the year to target any and all draft capital.

It's tough. I say no because the Philadelphia pick ultimately is not likely to remain in the lottery. It's a fair idea for consideration, though.

The “sunk cost” is highly negligible until carrington or the other pick from the trade do anything of note.

This is a brain dead trade for Portland as Deni is already our best player and looks like a future borderline star

[MasterIchiro]

Windows close quickly. Injuries to long skinny centers..

Tax.. take advantage of having an MVP level player on an MLE sized contract for two full more years..

Get Wemby/Carter in the playoffs early and developing in winning atmosphere..

They can afford to make a semi-big win now move and maintain the assets to make a real all in move in a couple years given the extra picks they own..

Plus, when you preach patience you are saying there is plenty of time.

Well, the target here is still 23 and fits that.

What are the Spurs losing, 3 firsts who will take 4 years before they reach Avdija's level if they ever do?

right on!!...Please come straighten out the ORL board. Being "ahead of schedule" is a blessing...not a reason to pump the brakes, pat yourself on the back and sit tight. Slipping (for a zillion possible reasons) is just as likely, or more, than continuing an "organic" ascent. There comes a point in a rebuild where you've scored big in the draft, have a young core worth building around...That's when you bring in complementary players...not slow down and wait for a new batch of 19 year old raw "maybe's" to catch up - while your young stars start getting their max deals while getting frustrated and beaten on - for lack of support.

If I'm the Spurs Deni Avdija is far more integral to my build than 3 mid-first round picks.

When a young core rises above a rebuild, the rotation spots/minutes are occupied by NBA-ready talents and already-established players with upside.

Spurs aren't going to have the minutes available to optimize those three green prospects. That's gonna cost them wins and limit their progress towards a playoff spot as the young established players continue to improve and outproduce rookies. The gap just keeps widening.

Blazers grabbed Deni too soon, but it was understandable given large contracts to established players: Grant, Ayton, Simons. They thought they had the pieces to exit a rebuild but now it looks like they need to break it down to Scoot/Sharpe and extend the thing.

They are not close to the Spurs.

Magic should bundle their 2 first round picks and add a rotation piece.

[Skybox]

Plus, when you preach patience you are saying there is plenty of time.

Well, the target here is still 23 and fits that.

What are the Spurs losing, 3 firsts who will take 4 years before they reach Avdija's level if they ever do?

right on!!...Please come straighten out the ORL board. Being "ahead of schedule" is a blessing...not a reason to pump the brakes, pat yourself on the back and sit tight. Slipping (for a zillion possible reasons) is just as likely, or more, than continuing an "organic" ascent. There comes a point in a rebuild where you've scored big in the draft, have a young core worth building around...That's when you bring in complementary players...not slow down and wait for a new batch of 19 year old raw "maybe's" to catch up - while your young stars start getting their max deals while getting frustrated and beaten on - for lack of support.

If I'm the Spurs Deni Avdija is far more integral to my build than 3 mid-first round picks.

When a young core rises above a rebuild, the rotation spots/minutes are occupied by NBA-ready talents and already-established players with upside.

Spurs aren't going to have the minutes available to optimize those three green prospects. That's gonna cost them wins and limit their progress towards a playoff spot as the young established players continue to improve and outproduce rookies. The gap just keeps widening.

Blazers grabbed Deni too soon, but it was understandable given large contracts to established players: Grant, Ayton, Simons. They thought they had the pieces to exit a rebuild but now it looks like they need to break it down to Scoot/Sharpe and extend the thing.

They are not close to the Spurs.

Magic should bundle their 2 first round picks and add a rotation piece.

I've got Collin Sexton on my mind...would be happy to "settle" for Simons or CJ McCollum as Plan B's. ORL desperately needs a (second unit but significant role) guard who can handle the ball, score, spread the floor, and should be willing to acknowledge that we've got defense covered - so it's not terrifying to bring in someone who isn't Suggs 2.0...How attached are you to Tre Mann?

[MasterIchiro]

right on!!...Please come straighten out the ORL board. Being "ahead of schedule" is a blessing...not a reason to pump the brakes, pat yourself on the back and sit tight. Slipping (for a zillion possible reasons) is just as likely, or more, than continuing an "organic" ascent. There comes a point in a rebuild where you've scored big in the draft, have a young core worth building around...That's when you bring in complementary players...not slow down and wait for a new batch of 19 year old raw "maybe's" to catch up - while your young stars start getting their max deals while getting frustrated and beaten on - for lack of support.

If I'm the Spurs Deni Avdija is far more integral to my build than 3 mid-first round picks.

When a young core rises above a rebuild, the rotation spots/minutes are occupied by NBA-ready talents and already-established players with upside.

Spurs aren't going to have the minutes available to optimize those three green prospects. That's gonna cost them wins and limit their progress towards a playoff spot as the young established players continue to improve and outproduce rookies. The gap just keeps widening.

Blazers grabbed Deni too soon, but it was understandable given large contracts to established players: Grant, Ayton, Simons. They thought they had the pieces to exit a rebuild but now it looks like they need to break it down to Scoot/Sharpe and extend the thing.

They are not close to the Spurs.

Magic should bundle their 2 first round picks and add a rotation piece.

I've got Collin Sexton on my mind...would be happy to "settle" for Simons or CJ McCollum as Plan B's. ORL desperately needs a (second unit but significant role) guard who can handle the ball, score, spread the floor, and should be willing to acknowledge that we've got defense covered - so it's not terrifying to bring in someone who isn't Suggs 2.0...How attached are you to Tre Mann?

Mann is our 2nd best isolation player after LaMelo Ball.

I would say from the players you mentioned, I'd surrender just one of your firsts for Simons. He's everything you described, and balances well with Suggs. He has played on some serious teams alongside Dame and McCollum.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Portland doesn't like this, but has to consider it. Deni is probably the team's best player, which makes the optics of flipping him difficult and means another setback to the rebuild. On the other hand, the cost of acquiring Deni is sunk, the rebuild is going nowhere fast, and 2025 is the year to target any and all draft capital.

It's tough. I say no because the Philadelphia pick ultimately is not likely to remain in the lottery. It's a fair idea for consideration, though.

The “sunk cost” is highly negligible until carrington or the other pick from the trade do anything of note.

This is a brain dead trade for Portland as Deni is already our best player and looks like a future borderline star

For Deni the player, this isn't a good idea. For Deni the asset, it might just be sound. Like I said, he may be another team's awesome player anyway by the time the Blazers are competing for anything but ping pong balls. I ABHOR where we're at as a fan base and franchise, but here we are: Deni the asset may be more important to us than Deni the player.

[Blazinaway]

Portland doesn't like this, but has to consider it. Deni is probably the team's best player, which makes the optics of flipping him difficult and means another setback to the rebuild. On the other hand, the cost of acquiring Deni is sunk, the rebuild is going nowhere fast, and 2025 is the year to target any and all draft capital.

It's tough. I say no because the Philadelphia pick ultimately is not likely to remain in the lottery. It's a fair idea for consideration, though.

The “sunk cost” is highly negligible until carrington or the other pick from the trade do anything of note.

This is a brain dead trade for Portland as Deni is already our best player and looks like a future borderline star

For Deni the player, this isn't a good idea. For Deni the asset, it might just be sound. Like I said, he may be another team's awesome player anyway by the time the Blazers are competing for anything but ping pong balls. I ABHOR where we're at as a fan base and franchise, but here we are: Deni the asset may be more important to us than Deni the player.

Yeah interesting way to put it and I see your point. Portland is a hot mess mostly because of ownership/mgmt, they can't or won't pick a direction, won't fire what I consider a bad coach and the GM is very questionable. So what chance do we have? Best thing that could happen is for Jody to sell the team.