Should the Warriors make a trade?

[floppymoose]

Zion
Lol
Last year it was Simmons, now its Zion

[Jester_]

Zion
Lol
Last year it was Simmons, now its Zion

one is an MVP if he loses weight, the other is a mental midget who can't shoot, how are these the same thing?

[wco81]

Zion did lose weight or at least played at his lightest at the start of this season.

He looked great against the Lakers in the play-in or playoffs game before he hurt his hamstring.

But he's a guy who needs the ball, so how does that fit in? He needs the ball at the elbows with a live dribble. He's so explosive that he has been able to get to the rim. As he ages and the accumulated toll of injuries have effect, he's going to have to diversify his game more, like developing a reliable midrange jumper if he can't finish at the rim as easily as his first couple of seasons -- like a pitcher with a great arm learning offspeed pitches when his fastball is no longer enough by itself.

[xdrta+]

Zion
Lol
Last year it was Simmons, now its Zion

one is an MVP if he loses weight, the other is a mental midget who can't shoot, how are these the same thing?

Well, they're both high salaries who can't stay on the court, so there's that.

[bay2hk]

Trading for Zion is a gamble but it’ll give Warriors a trade chip this offseason to reload our roster. Moving on from Wiggins contract will also give us flexibility to resign Kuminga. NO gets a healthy former all star in his prime and on a reasonable contract, so I can see them doing it without receiving a pick. I say trade for Zion if we are still a borderline play in team in a month. Giving curry / dray more games off and less minutes during games they play. This would accelerate our tanking for the 2025 NBA draft.

[Onus]

Zion did lose weight or at least played at his lightest at the start of this season.

He looked great against the Lakers in the play-in or playoffs game before he hurt his hamstring.

But he's a guy who needs the ball, so how does that fit in? He needs the ball at the elbows with a live dribble. He's so explosive that he has been able to get to the rim. As he ages and the accumulated toll of injuries have effect, he's going to have to diversify his game more, like developing a reliable midrange jumper if he can't finish at the rim as easily as his first couple of seasons -- like a pitcher with a great arm learning offspeed pitches when his fastball is no longer enough by itself.

Zion has incredible touch around the rim. He has floaters, hooks, flips that he uses to get shots off in the paint. If he can extend his range that's great, but it's highly unlikely like giannis. He's 24 and has probably at least 6 years before he really needs to add to his game for any type of longevity. But whatever 6 years from now our team is going to be so different and Zion might not even be on it by then.

He's actually kind of like jk in that he's only going to be guarded at the rim the difference being zion can actually create more of his own offense more efficiently. I haven't seen how he sets screens but if I recall teams drop a lot when he sets screens because they don't want him to get downhill, which they won't be able to do with curry. I think he cuts well to the rim but he's a non factor at the 3 and teams won't guard him there. I think Zion also has better iq, makes better decisions with the ball and should be able to play center for us. I'm curious if he can play in the motion offense.

I think the biggest difference is defensively. When Zion is locked in on defense he can create havoc on that end with his short area quickness, but there's a lot of times he's uninterested and unfocused. But he was able to turn it around at the end of last year from memory.

If Kerr doesn't play Zion at center then it's probably going to be dead on arrival similar to Schroeder.

I've seen some media people say it probably only takes a 1st to get Zion and at that cost I'd rather go with Zion than Cam J whom the Nets want multiple 1sts. If it only takes the 25 1st then that should be a no brainer. If they need 27 1st as well I'd probably do lottery protected to maybe top 7 at the most.

[HiRez]

Right now the Pelicans would have the #1 pick, with Zion coming back soon he can probably only harm their tank, winning even a few games could jeopardize their chances.

It's too bad Trey Murphy isn't tradable, I'd go all-in on a trade including multiple picks bringing both Zion + Trey here.

[Twinkie defense]

Not interested in Zion but how 'bout these De'Aaron Fox whispers? Would he not be a perfect fit on the Warriors? And with that much perimeter scoring you could get away with a defensive frontcourt.

[Onus]

Not interested in Zion but how 'bout these De'Aaron Fox whispers? Would he not be a perfect fit on the Warriors? And with that much perimeter scoring you could get away with a defensive frontcourt.

No he would have similar issues to Schroeder. Obviously he’s better than Schroeder but we’d still be playing 2 non offensive threats at the 4/5.

[RUN-TJM]

I am not against trading JK but I wouldn’t include him in a trade for Zion. I don’t think we’d need to and if we do land Zion, we probably need to trade JK for someone who fits better not as a throw in.

Point Zion. It’s a massive roll of the dice but at this stage does it really matter if we keep our draft collateral or most of it? He’ll either stay healthy and play well with Steph Buddy etc or he’ll continue to miss games and we’ll be a lottery team.

[RUN-TJM]

Not interested in Zion but how 'bout these De'Aaron Fox whispers? Would he not be a perfect fit on the Warriors? And with that much perimeter scoring you could get away with a defensive frontcourt.

No he would have similar issues to Schroeder. Obviously he’s better than Schroeder but we’d still be playing 2 non offensive threats at the 4/5.

I’d put Schroeder in the package for Zion. He is a TANK MASTER! NO will love him.

[xdrta+]

Zion is too big a risk for me. If we're thinking this year, he's missed 24 straight games (hamstring) and still is not doing contact work in practice. Even if he were ready in 2 or 3 weeks that could be too late for the Warriors. If they're thinking of him for future years, that's just a huge unknown. I certainly wouldn't lose Wiggins for that kind of risk. But that's just me, I'm kind of conservative in these matters.

[Twinkie defense]

Not interested in Zion but how 'bout these De'Aaron Fox whispers? Would he not be a perfect fit on the Warriors? And with that much perimeter scoring you could get away with a defensive frontcourt.

No he would have similar issues to Schroeder. Obviously he’s better than Schroeder but we’d still be playing 2 non offensive threats at the 4/5.

You mean like when Warriors had a Draymond/Looney frontcourt with prime Steph and Klay in the backcourt?

[Jester_]

Not interested in Zion but how 'bout these De'Aaron Fox whispers? Would he not be a perfect fit on the Warriors? And with that much perimeter scoring you could get away with a defensive frontcourt.

His 3 has regressed this year which is an issue. But I think losing Barnes and bringing Derozan in is the reason why.

Are the Kings really going to blow it up though?

[Twinkie defense]

Not interested in Zion but how 'bout these De'Aaron Fox whispers? Would he not be a perfect fit on the Warriors? And with that much perimeter scoring you could get away with a defensive frontcourt.

His 3 has regressed this year which is an issue. But I think losing Barnes and bringing Derozan in is the reason why.

Are the Kings really going to blow it up though?

They kind of already did, by firing Mike Brown... looks like they are trying to add some talent but who knows if they will be successful... Fox chose not to extend his contract and next season will be expiring so Kings only have so much leverage there.

[vvoland]

I'm starting to come around the zion idea for one reason only: his salary is not that high and we wouldn't need to move wigs or dray to do it.

If they want to do it now vs the deadline or want to keep schroeder, they can move gp2/loon/kyle/buddy/lindy- none of whom are rotation players, at the moment.

They'd be at 11 rostered players and would need to move moody for 3 min contracts or for no money back. I'm not sure the prorated min as of feb 6th, but I think it would have to be moody that gets moved, BP just doesn't make enough. Assuming we'd give Post the cheapest guaranteed contract possible, we may only need to get 3 players back for moody (e.g. javonte green, matkovic and alvarado from NOP or a 3rd team). gp2/loon/kyle/buddy/lindy for zion/antonio reeves works in spotrac's trade machine and leaves us w/ 11 players. Looks like 1.1M is enough for a guaranteed contract (what reeves is making) so 3 of those guys = 3.3M outgoing.. so, in theory, it could be gui/trace for 3 min salaries or no money back and neither BP or Moody has to go. After all that, you'd have:

Steph/Wigs/Dray/Zion/JK/Schroeder/BP/Moody as the 8 man rotation. You'd still have the option of moving Moody or even Schroeder for more shooting/depth or just something better than minimum contracts at the end of the bench.

it's a gamble and if this team hasn't improved by the deadline, I'd consider pulling the trigger. the team would have injury protection in the out years and we'd have this playoff run and next season to try to make it work. The big difference between zion and the simmons/butler version is the contract cost. Those 2 would required moving Wigs or Dray AND THEN another 4 players to bring in a shaky vet. I'd rather move the last 5 spots on my bench (plus picks, of course) to get a rotation big. Zion, Dray, and WIgs front court won't shoot well but the slashing/passing/oboards should be fun. And if it doesn't work due to health, you can cut him (as soon as next season) or trade him (not a prohibitive contract) for another distressed asset.

[HiRez]

Steph/Wigs/Dray/Zion/JK/Schroeder/BP/Moody as the 8 man rotation. You'd still have the option of moving Moody or even Schroeder for more shooting/depth or just something better than minimum contracts at the end of the bench.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Schröder carry the "recently traded" tag until after the trade deadline has passed? Meaning he can't be aggregated with other outgoing players? As I understand it, he could be traded by himself (or with picks) for any number of other players less than his salary (or maybe within 25%), but not combined with other Warriors for a big trade to bring back like Zion, Butler, etc. Is there a workaround for that? Does it still apply if Schröder is refuted elsewhere in a multi-team trade?

[Jester_]

Anthony Slater said we're interested in Vooch

think I might legitimately have to take a year off basketball if that happens

[xdrta+]

Steph/Wigs/Dray/Zion/JK/Schroeder/BP/Moody as the 8 man rotation. You'd still have the option of moving Moody or even Schroeder for more shooting/depth or just something better than minimum contracts at the end of the bench.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Schröder carry the "recently traded" tag until after the trade deadline has passed? Meaning he can't be aggregated with other outgoing players? As I understand it, he could be traded by himself (or with picks) for any number of other players less than his salary (or maybe within 25%), but not combined with other Warriors for a big trade to bring back like Zion, Butler, etc. Is there a workaround for that? Does it still apply if Schröder is refuted elsewhere in a multi-team trade?

The current CBA includes an exception for this. If traded by Dec 16 a player can be aggregated on the trade deadline or the day before, i.e., Feb 5 or Feb 6. So Schroeder can be aggregated if traded on those days.

[xdrta+]

They'd be at 11 rostered players and would need to move moody for 3 min contracts or for no money back. I'm not sure the prorated min as of feb 6th,

FYI, these are the numbers.
Minimum salary cap charges from the deadline.
0 yr exp -- $438,900
1 yr exp -- $706,398
2 yr+ exp -- $791,818

Before the deadline add this per day.
pro rated for 0 yr exp -- $6,650 per day
pro rated for 1 yr exp -- $10,703 per day
pro rated for 2 yr+ exp -- $11,997 per day