Bulls/ warriors/ Knicks / spurs

[scottyg]

Warriors trade -
-Kevon Looney
-Kyle Anderson
-Brandin Podziemski

Warriors get -
- Nikola Vucevic
- Torey Craig

Why? They get there stretch 5 and balance out the roster better for the team !

Knicks get -
- Kevin Looney
- Kyle Anderson

Knicks trade -
- Mitchell Robinson
- Cam Payne
-future 2nd goin to SA

Why? They need some size and defense Perfect Thibs players, they can use Slow Mos playmaking ( Kyle Anderson) after seeing Val from Washington beat up on them I think Looney will help and can play with Kat

Bulls trade -
Nikola Vucevic
-Torey Craig

Bulls get -
- Mitchell Robinson
- Cam Payne ( released )
- 1st rd pic back from Spurs

Why? Get a defensive center and let him heal and tank and get control of our picks again

Spurs trade -
- 1st rd pic Via Chi

Spurs get -
- Brandin Podziemski
-Gui Santos
- future 2nd from NY

Why? He will instantly be a favorite and can get playing time now instead of waiting on the bulls to tank or not tank and get a player now for Wemby

[One_and_Done]

Seems like too much for the Spurs to pay for Podz. Just take them out. They're only here to give away value for others.

[daoneandonly]

DOnt think Chi should get a pick for Vuc. He just doesnt have that value even with Mitchell's contract coming back

[taikibansei]

If we're trading Robinson, it will be for a more reliable (health-wise) rim-protector/defensive big (albeit with some offense) who can start on a contender (what Knicks' management feels we're becoming). Full stop.

Neither Looney nor Anderson comes close to fitting this description--let alone are "perfect Thibs players." Also, in general, Knicks fans really like Pain (sorry, Payne). Hard pass.

[ChettheJet]

The Bulls sign those papers as soon as they hit the desk.

People don't want the Spurs to give them their pick back but it's not about how good Vucevic is, on offense pretty damn good, on defense no. But it's the Bulls being wiling to take on the injured salary of Robinson to help everybody else. Most of these big trades include the Bulls to dump some excess players (2, 3, 4 guards) and contracts, for once the Bulls get some consideration for being included.

Robinson may come back, maybe be able to run and jump for the length of his contract, we'll see but that pick cover the risk for the Bulls and the fact that they aren't saving all that much money

Given advance knowledge of this trade maybe the Bulls can find a team in need of a PG like Payne and get back some spare 'Big'.

[gswhoops]

If the Knicks are willing to trade Robinson for Looney and SloMo, I just do that and leave the rest out.

Not giving up Podz for Vucevic.

[jbk1234]

If we're trading Robinson, it will be for a more reliable (health-wise) rim-protector/defensive big (albeit with some offense) who can start on a contender (what Knicks' management feels we're becoming). Full stop.

Neither Looney nor Anderson comes close to fitting this description--let alone are "perfect Thibs players." Also, in general, Knicks fans really like Pain (sorry, Payne). Hard pass.

Who is trading the player you described for Mitchell Robinson? The guy can't stay healthy. That's why they're Knicks are open to moving him.

[gswhoops]

If we're trading Robinson, it will be for a more reliable (health-wise) rim-protector/defensive big (albeit with some offense) who can start on a contender (what Knicks' management feels we're becoming). Full stop.

Neither Looney nor Anderson comes close to fitting this description--let alone are "perfect Thibs players." Also, in general, Knicks fans really like Pain (sorry, Payne). Hard pass.

Who is trading the player you described for Mitchell Robinson? The guy can't stay healthy. That's why they're Knicks are open to moving him.

Yeah this reads as "we want to trade Robinson for someone who is just as good but doesn't have injury problems"

Good luck finding someone to sign up for that.

[taikibansei]

If we're trading Robinson, it will be for a more reliable (health-wise) rim-protector/defensive big (albeit with some offense) who can start on a contender (what Knicks' management feels we're becoming). Full stop.

Neither Looney nor Anderson comes close to fitting this description--let alone are "perfect Thibs players." Also, in general, Knicks fans really like Pain (sorry, Payne). Hard pass.

Who is trading the player you described for Mitchell Robinson? The guy can't stay healthy. That's why they're Knicks are open to moving him.

Yeah this reads as "we want to trade Robinson for someone who is just as good but doesn't have injury problems"

Good luck finding someone to sign up for that.

No, this reads as, "We're not desperate to dump Robinson--as he exactly fits our main current need of rim protection/tough defense--so trades which provide the Knicks little beyond said dump are DOA." This is especially true because of our stubborn (yet winning) coach, whose defensive schemes all traditionally revolve around having an excellent rim protector/shot blocker (with penetration funneled to this person). Not having somebody like Robinson (and/or Hartenstein) is why our current defense sometimes struggles.

That said, we have the 4th best record in the NBA currently, and we're #2 in team offense right now. More to the point, with Robinson last year, we had one of the best defenses in the NBA--and that was without Mikal (or OG for the full season). I.e., there's a good chance that with Robinson healthy--and he's expected back next month--we could couple our excellent offense with good-to-great defense. Sounds like a team that, with health, can compete for a championship, yes?

Or it doesn't work out, which would suck. That said, losing Robinson for Looney and Anderson does NOTHING to help this team with our main issues this season--why we've been targeting bigs like Kessler and/or Valanciunas predominantly. Will either of the latter trades work out? Doubt it, as we have little to offer in a trade currently. Still, again, we're not desperate to dump Robinson, as he's apparently returning soon and fills a key need.

[scottyg]

Bulls get -
Mitchell Robinson
Kevon Looney
- 2nd rd pick via GS

Warriors get-
Vucevic

Knicks get-
jonas valanciunas
Torey Craig

Wizards get -
- Buddy Hield
- Gui Santos
- Lindy waters
- draft capital via Knicks ( maybe something around there own pick back )

[taikibansei]

If the Knicks are willing to trade Robinson for Looney and SloMo, I just do that and leave the rest out.

Not giving up Podz for Vucevic.

And we're not, for the reasons articulated above. Good luck with Looney and SloMo!

[taikibansei]

Bulls get -
Mitchell Robinson
Kevon Looney
- 2nd rd pick via GS

Warriors get-
Vucevic

Knicks get-
jonas valanciunas
Torey Craig

Wizards get -
- Buddy Hield
- Gui Santos
- Lindy waters
- draft capital via Knicks ( maybe something around there own pick back )

This seems far closer to something the Knicks would actually do.

[DaGawd]

yeah this trade is pointless for the knicks. much rather just keep mitch than settle for this return

[cgf]

If we're trading Robinson, it will be for a more reliable (health-wise) rim-protector/defensive big (albeit with some offense) who can start on a contender (what Knicks' management feels we're becoming). Full stop.

Neither Looney nor Anderson comes close to fitting this description--let alone are "perfect Thibs players." Also, in general, Knicks fans really like Pain (sorry, Payne). Hard pass.

Who is trading the player you described for Mitchell Robinson? The guy can't stay healthy. That's why they're Knicks are open to moving him.

Yeah this reads as "we want to trade Robinson for someone who is just as good but doesn't have injury problems"

Good luck finding someone to sign up for that.

More like we have a need for someone like Robinson in the playoffs, so it's hard to entice us into giving Robinson up unless we're getting someone like Robinson back. Which is why a Robinson trade seems highly unlikely as long as our FO thinks that he'll be in game shape by March.

If he has a serious setback, that calculus could change, or if Towns improves significantly as a rim protector with more time under Thibs' tutelage...but the latter seems a lot more unlikely than Robinson staying healthy for half a season, and the former hasn't happened yet.

Plus Payne has fit really well with McBride, Shamet/Bridges/Anunoby/Hart, Achiuwa, and Towns, when Brunson rests. So throwing him in to a foundation that's unattractive, just makes this even less attractive.

Maybe if we didn't have Precious, Looney would be interesting...but we do, so he isn't.

[cgf]

Bulls get -
Mitchell Robinson
Kevon Looney
- 2nd rd pick via GS

Warriors get-
Vucevic

Knicks get-
jonas valanciunas
Torey Craig

Wizards get -
- Buddy Hield
- Gui Santos
- Lindy waters
- draft capital via Knicks ( maybe something around there own pick back )

This seems far closer to something the Knicks would actually do.

I probably like Torey Craig more than most, but I'm not sure about that one does much for us either. It makes more sense, but does Val really give us the rim protection at the 5 that we lack with KAT?

He's a big body and can help us on the glass, but I don't think he's a good enough defender and I don't think Craig is meaningfully better than just signing Okeke whenever we can afford another vet min, to warrant pulling the trigger.

[taikibansei]

Bulls get -
Mitchell Robinson
Kevon Looney
- 2nd rd pick via GS

Warriors get-
Vucevic

Knicks get-
jonas valanciunas
Torey Craig

Wizards get -
- Buddy Hield
- Gui Santos
- Lindy waters
- draft capital via Knicks ( maybe something around there own pick back )

This seems far closer to something the Knicks would actually do.

I probably like Torey Craig more than most, but I'm not sure about that one does much for us either. It makes more sense, but does Val really give us the rim protection at the 5 that we lack with KAT?

He's a big body and can help us on the glass, but I don't think he's a good enough defender and I don't think Craig is meaningfully better than just signing Okeke whenever we can afford another vet min, to warrant pulling the trigger.

I agree with you, but I don't see an attainable alternative if for some bizarre reason Mitch cannot come back by March. Also, and this is important, Thibs would likely trust Jonas enough to play him significant minutes off the bench. Given Thibs' "trust" issues, I'm not confident Anderson (and maybe even Looney) make it onto the court (barring catastrophic injuries to our stars).

[cgf]

This seems far closer to something the Knicks would actually do.

I probably like Torey Craig more than most, but I'm not sure about that one does much for us either. It makes more sense, but does Val really give us the rim protection at the 5 that we lack with KAT?

He's a big body and can help us on the glass, but I don't think he's a good enough defender and I don't think Craig is meaningfully better than just signing Okeke whenever we can afford another vet min, to warrant pulling the trigger.

I agree with you, but I don't see an attainable alternative if for some bizarre reason Mitch cannot come back by March. Also, and this is important, Thibs would likely trust Jonas enough to play him significant minutes off the bench. Given Thibs' "trust" issues, I'm not confident Anderson (and maybe even Looney) make it onto the court (barring catastrophic injuries to our stars).

Fair enough, if mitch isn't playing by the deadline then yeah, different story.

[wemby]

i never liked Podz or saw the appeal with him, I would much rather the Spurs keep the pick for some other trade or using it on a different prospect. Pass.