2023-24 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V3.0

[MessiahUjiri]

Jaden Ivey broke his fibula. Can we get our 2025 2nd pick back?

Ochai and Olynyk would've played with Simone Fontecchio in Utah. He's 6'8 so would free up guard spots.

Simone Fontecchio and 2025 2nd pick (Tor)
For
Davion Mitchell and Chris Boucher

PG IQ - Shead/Jakobe
SG Dick - Jakobe - Battle
SF Barrett - Ochai - Fontecchio
PF Barnes - Fontecchio/Mogbo
C Poeltl - Olynyk - Fernando

905 - Chomche

I like this.

Pistons could bite.

The good thing about this trade for Davion is that he only needs to play 15-16 mins, and he can easily overlap 5-6 mins with Cade, due to Cades size.

[CazOnReal]

I don't know why y'all are even bothering with Lakers trade speculation. They're not giving up a 1st for one of our guys and we shouldn't be interested in their junk...as should basically the other 28 teams in the league.

because they are one of the few teams that have picks to trade

That's not true and this belies the fact that the Lakers have been unwilling to part with their picks for trades that would vault them into contention.

one of the few teams that are likely to buy

It's quite literally the opposite of that; there's plenty of teams looking to buy at the deadline or prior to it.

Jaden Ivey broke his fibula. Can we get our 2025 2nd pick back?

Ochai and Olynyk would've played with Simone Fontecchio in Utah. He's 6'8 so would free up guard spots.

Simone Fontecchio and 2025 2nd pick (Tor)
For
Davion Mitchell and Chris Boucher

PG IQ - Shead/Jakobe
SG Dick - Jakobe - Battle
SF Barrett - Ochai - Fontecchio
PF Barnes - Fontecchio/Mogbo
C Poeltl - Olynyk - Fernando

905 - Chomche

Okay but why a 2nd 2025 second round pick? We already have a Top 5 (Just wait for the Blazers to sell at the deadline) second rounder and there's only so many minutes to go around for development/roster spots. Unless the plan is to trade up into the 1st round, I don't see the point unless one is already set on who they're choosing re: Shead vs. Davion.

[Psubs]

I don't know why y'all are even bothering with Lakers trade speculation. They're not giving up a 1st for one of our guys and we shouldn't be interested in their junk...as should basically the other 28 teams in the league.

because they are one of the few teams that have picks to trade

That's not true and this belies the fact that the Lakers have been unwilling to part with their picks for trades that would vault them into contention.

one of the few teams that are likely to buy

It's quite literally the opposite of that; there's plenty of teams looking to buy at the deadline or prior to it.

Jaden Ivey broke his fibula. Can we get our 2025 2nd pick back?

Ochai and Olynyk would've played with Simone Fontecchio in Utah. He's 6'8 so would free up guard spots.

Simone Fontecchio and 2025 2nd pick (Tor)
For
Davion Mitchell and Chris Boucher

PG IQ - Shead/Jakobe
SG Dick - Jakobe - Battle
SF Barrett - Ochai - Fontecchio
PF Barnes - Fontecchio/Mogbo
C Poeltl - Olynyk - Fernando

905 - Chomche

Okay but why a 2nd 2025 second round pick? We already have a Top 5 (Just wait for the Blazers to sell at the deadline) second rounder and there's only so many minutes to go around for development/roster spots. Unless the plan is to trade up into the 1st round, I don't see the point unless one is already set on who they're choosing re: Shead vs. Davion.

Yes, this would be a trade made any time now. Use the worse 2nd pick and say Bruce Brown to get a 1st pick? Or like the worst 2nd and Poeltl for Steven Adams and 1st pick (Pho via Hou)

[CazOnReal]

Some quick and dirty "Toronto facilitates the Jimmy Buckets" trade.

Rockets

Spoiler:

Magic

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Warriors

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Lakers

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Grizzlies

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Nuggets

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Kangz

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Pistons

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Washington (Just for laughs):

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These aren't serious proposals (Hence why certain teams are giving up more/less picks than others...I have a hard time gauging Jimmy's value; he's a playoff riser but constantly coasts through the regular season. Similar situation to Siakam last season where he's seeking a new contract and is essentially an expiring and the league knows they team or player wants a trade but Jimmy is significantly older/more injury-prone and is eligible for significantly more money than Pascal was) but are meant to demonstrate what the Raptors could do in potential Butler trades to take on money for draft compensation.

[islandboy53]

I don't know why y'all are even bothering with Lakers trade speculation. They're not giving up a 1st for one of our guys and we shouldn't be interested in their junk...as should basically the other 28 teams in the league.

because they are one of the few teams that have picks to trade

That's not true and this belies the fact that the Lakers have been unwilling to part with their picks for trades that would vault them into contention.

one of the few teams that are likely to buy

It's quite literally the opposite of that; there's plenty of teams looking to buy at the deadline or prior to it.

Jaden Ivey broke his fibula. Can we get our 2025 2nd pick back?

Ochai and Olynyk would've played with Simone Fontecchio in Utah. He's 6'8 so would free up guard spots.

Simone Fontecchio and 2025 2nd pick (Tor)
For
Davion Mitchell and Chris Boucher

PG IQ - Shead/Jakobe
SG Dick - Jakobe - Battle
SF Barrett - Ochai - Fontecchio
PF Barnes - Fontecchio/Mogbo
C Poeltl - Olynyk - Fernando

905 - Chomche

Okay but why a 2nd 2025 second round pick? We already have a Top 5 (Just wait for the Blazers to sell at the deadline) second rounder and there's only so many minutes to go around for development/roster spots. Unless the plan is to trade up into the 1st round, I don't see the point unless one is already set on who they're choosing re: Shead vs. Davion.

The rest of Detroit's 2nds are late, so the Toronto 25 2nd is their best. I agree we don't need 3 picks next year, but 2 good SRPs gives you lots of opportunities on draft weekend, so why not. As to the trade itself, I'd suggest taking Boucher out, to make it Mitchell for Fontecchio & the 2nd. Detroit gets a replacement for Ivey, of sorts, while increasing their cap room for other trades this year and next. Toronto gets a serviceable wing who is a very tradable expiring next year.

[MiamiSPX]

Some quick and dirty "Toronto facilitates the Jimmy Buckets" trade.

Rockets

Spoiler:

Magic

Spoiler:

Warriors

Spoiler:

Lakers

Spoiler:

Grizzlies

Spoiler:

Nuggets

Spoiler:

Kangz

Spoiler:

Pistons

Spoiler:

Washington (Just for laughs):

Spoiler:

These aren't serious proposals (Hence why certain teams are giving up more/less picks than others...I have a hard time gauging Jimmy's value; he's a playoff riser but constantly coasts through the regular season. Similar situation to Siakam last season where he's seeking a new contract and is essentially an expiring and the league knows they team or player wants a trade but Jimmy is significantly older/more injury-prone and is eligible for significantly more money than Pascal was) but are meant to demonstrate what the Raptors could do in potential Butler trades to take on money for draft compensation.

Your Grizzlies proposal is an absolute heist by the Raptors, for 3 players that won't be on the team soon anyway lol

[Jermaine OBosh]

Any trade where we take back $20 mil or more for next year, will make us a taxed team. Therefore, those trades must include Kelly Olynk as the player going out.

[bluerap23]

My guess is Lakers will just go after Val instead. He should be a lot cheaper to get and Lakers still got some SRPs.

Only trade with LAL that makes sense to me is

Brown / Mitchell / Olynyk / Agbaji
for
Rui / Vanderbilt / Vincent / Christie

They get better "now" guys and we take on the **** Rui / Vanderbilt / Vincent contracts along with pick consideration to do so.

Lakers would start Agbaji/Reaves/Lebron/DFS/Davis which is solid defence and 5 out, and bring Mitchell/Brown/Knecth/Olynyk/Koloko off the bench which is a solid bench unit.

How many picks coming back? Why include Ochai? He's fits our team really well.

[Thaddy]

The Heat want competitive returns for Butler. If gave up Barrett + Brown we could get some good pieces in a 3 team deal.

Raptors:
Adams
Brooks
Picks (2027 PHX 1st? and 2nd rounder?)

Heat:
Barrett
Brown

Rockets:
Butler

Poeltl / Adams
Barnes / Mogbo
Brooks / Walter
Dick / Agbaji
IQ / Mitchell

This would also make Poeltl expendable. We get a guy in Brooks who will establish a culture here as well. The lost scoring from Barrett could be picked up by Barnes, Dick, and IQ. This trade would entirely depend upon the pick package we get, and that depends on what the Rockets think Butler is worth.

[ash_k]

I dont get the point of trading KO or Boucher. Until I see it with my own eyes, I cant image KO being traded..KO and Chris should be Raptor for their rest of their career on reasonable contracts..

Meanwhile as I have not done one of this in years:

To CLIPPERS (for their championship push with Kawhi back, Harden and All-Star newbie Norman Powell )
>Bruce Brown

To BULLS (To get out of PWIll contract as he never connected with Billy D)
>PJ Tucker
>Terance "forever prospect" Mann

To Raps (perfect 3D-SF for us, at his age, we need a real big SF! )
>Pat Williams
>C Duarte

IQ|RJ|Scottie|PW|Yak|Bench: Davion/Shead|Ochai|Gradey|Boucher|KO|Mogbo|Walter|

[CazOnReal]

The Heat want competitive returns for Butler. If gave up Barrett + Brown we could get some good pieces in a 3 team deal.

Raptors:
Adams
Brooks
Picks (2027 PHX 1st? and 2nd rounder?)

Heat:
Barrett
Brown

Rockets:
Butler

Poeltl / Adams
Barnes / Mogbo
Brooks / Walter
Dick / Agbaji
IQ / Mitchell

This would also make Poeltl expendable. We get a guy in Brooks who will establish a culture here as well. The lost scoring from Barrett could be picked up by Barnes, Dick, and IQ. This trade would entirely depend upon the pick package we get, and that depends on what the Rockets think Butler is worth.

This is peak "That pick could be anything, it could even be RJ!" mystery box nonsense

Also no, this doesn't make Poeltl expendable. Adams is washed so at most he's a good locker room guy on an expiring deal.

I dont get the point of trading KO or Boucher. Until I see it with my own eyes, I cant image KO being traded..KO and Chris should be Raptor for their rest of their career on reasonable contracts..

Meanwhile as I have not done one of this in years:

To CLIPPERS (for their championship push with Kawhi back, Harden and All-Star newbie Norman Powell )
>Bruce Brown

To BULLS (To get out of PWIll contract as he never connected with Billy D)
>PJ Tucker
>Terance "forever prospect" Mann

To Raps (perfect 3D-SF for us, at his age, we need a real big SF! )
>Pat Williams
>C Duarte

IQ|RJ|Scottie|PW|Yak|Bench: Davion/Shead|Ochai|Gradey|Boucher|KO|Mogbo|Walter|

Boucher is expiring and in his mid-30s so that one should be self-explanatory. Olynyk has another year left on his deal though whether he's available is an open question since the Raptors did give up a first for him and Ochai. I could see both off the roster come the deadline but I think it's more likely than not that Kelly sticks around unless there's a really good offer for him on the table.

I'd say of the Raptors players who are known to be available or questionably available that the most to least likely to be moved are as follows:
Bruce Brown
Chris Boucher
Davion Mitchell
Bruno Fernando/Garrett Temple (As pure filler for either money or roster slot)
Kelly Olynyk

[Raptorfan2012]

I wonder with Jabari Smith now out for weeks will Houston want to trade him. Raptors have all the time in the world this season to rehab him.

[Tripod]

I wonder with Jabari Smith now out for weeks will Houston want to trade him. Raptors have all the time in the world this season to rehab him.

They have no reason to trade him. They can just play other youth who haven't been playing as much to fill the minutes like Whitmore.

[Raptorfan2012]

I wonder with Jabari Smith now out for weeks will Houston want to trade him. Raptors have all the time in the world this season to rehab him.

They have no reason to trade him. They can just play other youth who haven't been playing as much to fill the minutes like Whitmore.

Jabri is up for an extension in 2026; Rockets have to decide whether to give him big bucks or trade him for other assets.

[YogurtProducer]

My guess is Lakers will just go after Val instead. He should be a lot cheaper to get and Lakers still got some SRPs.

Only trade with LAL that makes sense to me is

Brown / Mitchell / Olynyk / Agbaji
for
Rui / Vanderbilt / Vincent / Christie

They get better "now" guys and we take on the **** Rui / Vanderbilt / Vincent contracts along with pick consideration to do so.

Lakers would start Agbaji/Reaves/Lebron/DFS/Davis which is solid defence and 5 out, and bring Mitchell/Brown/Knecth/Olynyk/Koloko off the bench which is a solid bench unit.

How many picks coming back? Why include Ochai? He's fits our team really well.

Ochai for salaries pretty much. Only one that fits salary wise, and Max Christie coming back is a guy you could develop to be Ochai (or better).

2 firsts maybe? Not bad for essentially guys you have no future use for.

[navyblue]

I wonder with Jabari Smith now out for weeks will Houston want to trade him. Raptors have all the time in the world this season to rehab him.

They have no reason to trade him. They can just play other youth who haven't been playing as much to fill the minutes like Whitmore.

Jabri is up for an extension in 2026; Rockets have to decide whether to give him big bucks or trade him for other assets.

They are saving bullets for a big trade, especially a younger star. Darren Fox or who ever the next person is.

[navyblue]

Cameron Johnson is one of the hottest current names on the market. He’d fill a need as an extra shooting wing who could fit in versatile lineup combinations and also makes a reasonable $22.5 million this season (plus $20.5 million and $22.5 million the next two). But Brooklyn’s price tag has been steep and there are other teams (like the Sacramento Kings and Oklahoma City Thunder) that appear in hotter pursuit.

Per athletic

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Another hypothetical: Would you trade the 3rd pick for Shaedon Sharpe?

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Only trade with LAL that makes sense to me is

Brown / Mitchell / Olynyk / Agbaji
for
Rui / Vanderbilt / Vincent / Christie

They get better "now" guys and we take on the **** Rui / Vanderbilt / Vincent contracts along with pick consideration to do so.

Lakers would start Agbaji/Reaves/Lebron/DFS/Davis which is solid defence and 5 out, and bring Mitchell/Brown/Knecth/Olynyk/Koloko off the bench which is a solid bench unit.

How many picks coming back? Why include Ochai? He's fits our team really well.

Ochai for salaries pretty much. Only one that fits salary wise, and Max Christie coming back is a guy you could develop to be Ochai (or better).

2 firsts maybe? Not bad for essentially guys you have no future use for.

They just gave Christie a good extension and he's been playing well. He's probably off the table unless he's in a package getting them a clear starter level upgrade. While our depth pieces might work out better than some of theirs in this swap, I don't think its worth it for LA, even if it gets them off long term money. For us it kind of hamstrings our team and forces us to try to either dump guys for picks or make another consolidation trade because Gabe and Vanderbilt are on longer deals

[Thaddy]

Another hypothetical: Would you trade the 3rd pick for Shaedon Sharpe?

No we should be leveraging the rookie scale contract as cheap production. This would give us an opportunity to take on a bad contract (3-4 year term) and get another first round pick. If we got Bailey and then traded Barrett for a bad contract + 2 first rounders it would be ideal. There are a lot of fake contenders, similar to the Raps in 2022, who will faulter. I'd have the Pacers up there in terms of fake contenders along with the Heat and a few others in the East.