2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3

[3ammy3uck3ts]

It has nothing to do with how Ware plays on the floor to me he is the only young guy on the roster with that type of demeanor to potentially be like that. Bam hasn’t been and never will be that guy. Your supposed franchise leader got waived off by Butler and not a word was exchanged about it between them. Your leader doesn’t need to be your best player. This wouldn’t be happening with Haslem around

Got waved off how? Were they supposed to stop playing mid defensive possession and talk it out?

He’s been stamped by UD who’s been around him his entire career. He was voted as the team captain for a reason. He huddles the guys up and chews into them mid game when needed we’ve seen it but ignore it because it’s Bam and agendas, he’s called team meetings after lackluster playoff games and chewed the team out.

The dismissal of Bam by this fanbase is weird as hell considering he always bust his ass, is always available, comes up huge in the biggest moments of the season, will be top 3 or leading every major statistic in Heat history when it’s all said and done, etc. we have a franchise greet on the roster when it’s all said and done and you all just spend 90% of the time **** on the dude, I hope he asks out too and goes somewhere with a competent FO where he’s appreciated.

Ware as the torch bearer when you’ve barely seen him is insane

Nah bro--Bam was supposed to throw down with Jimmy right on the court mid game. Only way to earn my respect...

“UD woUlDvE mET JiMmY at cENteR CouRT nD bEaT hiZ azz!!!”

[MettaWorldPanda]

C Bam C Ware C Looney
PF Jovic PF Anderson PF Johnson
SF Wiggins SF JJJ SF Highsmith SF Larrson
SG Herro SG Robinson SG Burks
PG Payton Jr PG Rozier

That's just a good mid-level team; Miami needs to find a path towards acquiring an MVP level talent.

That won’t be done this year. This is just a patchwork team that’s scrappy and makes the playoffs to pay out the pick. Next year that flexibility opens up.

[greg4012]

There's something encouraging about getting closure IMO. Time to turn the page and build a unified vision.

Unified vision, maybe publicly it seems that way. Do you think Riley and Spoelstra see anywhere eye to eye on how to build this team? I think that has been the issue for a few years now. Spoelstra wants to go 3pt shooting while Riley still wants toughness and defense and trying to do a hybrid of both is hurting the team in the regular season.

So you don't think Spo espouses toughness and defense first and foremost?

You in the private with Spo and Riley and have details to share that the "public" is not privy to?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I really want to see sky high usage Herro and Bam post Jimmy to end this year. Get them as many reps as possible being “the guys”. It can only help their growth and development and get them more comfortable for big moments in a playoff setting. I’m talking 17-20 shots a night, 30%+ usage

[MettaWorldPanda]

C Bam C Ware C Looney
PF Jovic PF Anderson PF Johnson
SF Wiggins SF JJJ SF Highsmith SF Larrson
SG Herro SG Robinson SG Burks
PG Payton Jr PG Rozier

That's just a good mid-level team; Miami needs to find a path towards acquiring an MVP level talent.

You use the Rozier and Duncan contracts with picks to work out a Fox deal, try to retain the expirings.

Fox/Payton/Dru
Herro/Burks/Pelle
Wiggins/JJJ/Highsmith
Bam/Jovic/Anderson or Keshad
Ware/Looney/Love

Bam and Ware get more 3 point reps to end the year and continue to build on it next summer to become more reliable shooters for next season who are also massive lob threats for Fox

This should be the plan moving forward into the summer. Pay out OKC and party with the picks that open up for us and whatever draft pick or picks we get from Butler.

[greg4012]

I really want to see sky high usage Herro and Bam post Jimmy to end this year. Get them as many reps as possible being “the guys”. It can only help their growth and development and get them more comfortable for big moments in a playoff setting. I’m talking 17-20 shots a night, 30%+ usage

If Jimmy is no longer in the rotation, even without/before any trade, it should open up opportunity for Bam and Jaime to both play in spots on the court they're more comfortable playing.

Miami made it work well enough, but the offensive fit with Bam and Jimmy was never optimal. The offense will have a lot less upside without Jimmy, of course. But, it could become more coherent without having to toggle between low usage Jimmy and star mode Jimmy.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I really want to see sky high usage Herro and Bam post Jimmy to end this year. Get them as many reps as possible being “the guys”. It can only help their growth and development and get them more comfortable for big moments in a playoff setting. I’m talking 17-20 shots a night, 30%+ usage

It should be easier for Spo to try Ware and Bam with Butler out of the way. Just play 3 shooters with them.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I really want to see sky high usage Herro and Bam post Jimmy to end this year. Get them as many reps as possible being “the guys”. It can only help their growth and development and get them more comfortable for big moments in a playoff setting. I’m talking 17-20 shots a night, 30%+ usage

If Jimmy is no longer in the rotation, even without/before any trade, it should open up opportunity for Bam and Jaime to both play in spots on the court they're more comfortable playing.

Miami made it work well enough, but the offensive fit with Bam and Jimmy was never optimal. The offense will have a lot less upside without Jimmy, of course. But, it could become more coherent without having to toggle between low usage Jimmy and star mode Jimmy.

Time to fully unleash Bam, let’s get to it

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I really want to see sky high usage Herro and Bam post Jimmy to end this year. Get them as many reps as possible being “the guys”. It can only help their growth and development and get them more comfortable for big moments in a playoff setting. I’m talking 17-20 shots a night, 30%+ usage

It should be easier for Spo to try Ware and Bam with Butler out of the way. Just play 3 shooters with them.

Exactly, we have no excuses now. It’s essentially the same thing starting Bam and Jimmy together has been except now Bam has been given the green light to shoot and Ware has as well

[AirP.]

There's something encouraging about getting closure IMO. Time to turn the page and build a unified vision.

Unified vision, maybe publicly it seems that way. Do you think Riley and Spoelstra see anywhere eye to eye on how to build this team? I think that has been the issue for a few years now. Spoelstra wants to go 3pt shooting while Riley still wants toughness and defense and trying to do a hybrid of both is hurting the team in the regular season.

So you don't think Spo espouses toughness and defense first and foremost?

You in the private with Spo and Riley and have details to share that the "public" is not privy to?

No, I've just been watching Spoelstra putting an undersized center and PF on the court for most of a half-decade which I don't think he's wrong for doing. It's not like we've not heard fans talk about this for years now. I'm not so sure a Riley ran team would be doing that or going with 2 bad defensive guards on the court.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Ware
Bam
Highsmith
Robinson
Herro

[Dmcdani6]

Other part of this is Jimmy has been tiring behind closed doors. Doesn’t travel with the team, doesn’t participate in team events, missing regular season games he shouldn’t have, etc.

The Heat was fine with putting up with this when they were winning but aren’t gonna sign up for another 3 years of this especially if he can’t play 60+ games in the regular season

THIS makes the most sense. Hes just hard to deal with. So why pay somebody when hes only about himself? Thats why the team dont mess w/ him anymore.

[greg4012]

Unified vision, maybe publicly it seems that way. Do you think Riley and Spoelstra see anywhere eye to eye on how to build this team? I think that has been the issue for a few years now. Spoelstra wants to go 3pt shooting while Riley still wants toughness and defense and trying to do a hybrid of both is hurting the team in the regular season.

So you don't think Spo espouses toughness and defense first and foremost?

You in the private with Spo and Riley and have details to share that the "public" is not privy to?

No, I've just been watching Spoelstra putting an undersized center and PF on the court for most of a half-decade which I don't think he's wrong for doing. It's not like we've not heard fans talk about this for years now. I'm not so sure a Riley ran team would be doing that or going with 2 bad defensive guards on the court at the same time.

Spo values skillsets. I don't believe he inherently needs a PF to be undersized to fit his system. I believe he needs to have true 3 pt shooting and spacing from at least 3 players on the floor at all times. And he needs defenders that can switch in space (tho he has turned to more drop coverage--even with Bam--over the past season+). Without Jimmy as a staple in the rotation, the SF spot can potentially be manned by more willing volume 3pt shooting which can alter the composition of skills needed for the PF spot. With that said, Jaime doesn't really fit the mold to add 3pt shooting to the SF spot.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Hmmmmmmmmm…..

[batterybro42]

Seems you're projecting your own preferred personality/demeanor onto Ware in the absence of him showing much alternative.

Time will tell but that’s my observation from watching him play and carry himself in college, summer league, and this season. If he ends up being good enough for his words to carry some weight I think there is a good chance he will be a leader here.

Was that at Oregon or at Indiana where he appeared to be a leader and culture bearer?

I watched virtually every play of his at Indiana (and am a big Ware fan) and I didn't see that in the slightest. I don't think he was exactly currying much favor during his stint at Oregon.

Dude doesn't really speak at all.

I could very well be wrong but I guess time will tell. My observation of him and his attitude is that he holds great leadership qualities. My main point that seemed to upset some people is that Bam is not that guy. Along with being an awkward fit as a 4 in what we are trying to move to.

[Rapaz]

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[greg4012]

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Hmmmmmmmmm…..

What if they did say that? Would they be lying?

This is all window dressing anyways. Good for the media outlets pumping it, tactical for the parties seeking their end goals.

[MettaWorldPanda]

So you don't think Spo espouses toughness and defense first and foremost?

You in the private with Spo and Riley and have details to share that the "public" is not privy to?

No, I've just been watching Spoelstra putting an undersized center and PF on the court for most of a half-decade which I don't think he's wrong for doing. It's not like we've not heard fans talk about this for years now. I'm not so sure a Riley ran team would be doing that or going with 2 bad defensive guards on the court at the same time.

Spo values skillsets. I don't believe he inherently needs a PF to be undersized to fit his system. I believe he needs to have true 3 pt shooting and spacing from at least 3 players on the floor at all times. And he needs defenders that can switch in space (tho he has turned to more drop coverage--even with Bam--over the past season+). Without Jimmy as a staple in the rotation, the SF spot can potentially be manned by more willing volume 3pt shooting which can alter the composition of skills needed for the PF spot. With that said, Jaime doesn't really fit the mold to add 3pt shooting to the SF spot.

JJJ fits more with the front court lineup of Ware and Jovic and that’s ok. Highsmith can just play SF and camp out behind the three point line with Duncan along side the Ware/Bam pairing

[RexBoyWonder]

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I thought it was centel I can’t lie

Front office should have had the foresight to avoid this chit show

They better find a decent trade soon

Disappointing lack of vision.