2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3

[unowen85]

Beal
Herro
Locksmith
Bam
Warewolf
Dynasty

[AirP.]

Spo values skillsets. I don't believe he inherently needs a PF to be undersized to fit his system. I believe he needs to have true 3 pt shooting and spacing from at least 3 players on the floor at all times. And he needs defenders that can switch in space (tho he has turned to more drop coverage--even with Bam--over the past season+). Without Jimmy as a staple in the rotation, the SF spot can potentially be manned by more willing volume 3pt shooting which can alter the composition of skills needed for the PF spot. With that said, Jaime doesn't really fit the mold to add 3pt shooting to the SF spot.

Nobody wants undersized players, the bigger the players with skill the better but Spoelstra's gone with undersized players to get the type of skill he wanted at those positions. My point is that Riley wouldn't have, he'd stay with size and toughness, one person believes in 3s are that important and the other probably doesn't value them as much as defense/rebounding. It's kinda hard to say everyone is on the same page when 2 of the 5 1st round draft picks have been used in the last 5 years were on centers, a position of strength for Miami while there were bigger holes to fill.

I see how you can have that perspective based on projecting those assumptions onto the situation.

I disagree and see it differently. The Heat have been drafting skillsets. The Heat—from Spo to FO to Scouting spoke a lot about Ware’s skillset in how he can fit with Bam and play to a style that they are pursuing. I think there’s more internal alignment between player acquisition, dev program, and coaching than the narrative being pushed.

So, you think Spoelstra is wanting to move Bam's offense to PF, go more towards drop coverage because of Ware at the 5 and utilize less of Bam's strengths which one would be his ability to switch and guard anyone on the court? I don't know why you'd give up trying to get a 37-40% 3pt volume shooter at a much lower price than the max then live with Bam playing that role at the max.

[Rapaz]

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Barry just BODIED Fat Erny lmao!!!!

This season just went from absolute snoozefest to absolute cinema.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Shaq speaking from experience

[AirP.]

This is interesting since Kuminga needs to be extended himself. Your big 3 under the tax would be Bam, Herro and Kuminga, what happens with Ware and Jovic(who has to be extended next offseason) or is this the teardown from Butler and Bam and movement to Herro, Kuminga and young guys?

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

This is interesting since Kuminga needs to be extended himself. Your big 3 under the tax would be Bam, Herro and Kuminga, what happens with Ware and Jovic(who has to be extended next offseason) or is this the teardown from Butler and Bam and movement to Herro, Kuminga and young guys?

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Kind of shocking they’d want Kuminga considering his contract situation but this is the team we need to be working with to get something done.

[AirP.]

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It's a number of things that just piled up. I too thought this FO would try to go for it vs just sit back and just bring in youth vs try to bring in the best players they could.

[MettaWorldPanda]

This is interesting since Kuminga needs to be extended himself. Your big 3 under the tax would be Bam, Herro and Kuminga, what happens with Ware and Jovic(who has to be extended next offseason) or is this the teardown from Butler and Bam and movement to Herro, Kuminga and young guys?

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Kind of shocking they’d want Kuminga considering his contract situation but this is the team we need to be working with to get something done.

We should be asking for an extra pick instead of Kuminga. But you know this is how negotiations work.

[Kobewade11]

If the return isnt a ready made star (or assets to flip into 1) and this guy decides he’s not going to be a professional, just send him home and let him play barista for the rest of the season. I havent seen enough to be enthused about a Sleepy Ingram/Kuminga type player

[carnageta]

Anyone else not even remotely excited at the possibility of getting Kuminga? The guy is about as mid as you can get, and if he wasn't playing on the Warriors no one would even know about him.

[winforlose]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278632/Heat-Implying-Jimmy-Butler-Didnt-Play-Hard-In-Wednesday-Win-Was-Breaking-Point-Relationship-Is-Irreparable

Pretty soon he will try embarrassing the starters in practice and missing games with bouts of General Soreness. I am not here to rub it in, I am here to commiserate. Jimmy is a a** clown and no franchise deserves this. You guys will be okay though. Plenty of teams will think they can make Jimmy fall in line, and you might not get top dollar, but you will get a decent/good return. There will be brighter days soon, and you will be free of the General

[MettaWorldPanda]

Anyone else not even remotely excited at the possibility of getting Kuminga? The guy is about as mid as you can get, and if he wasn't playing on the Warriors no one would even know about him.

Nope. This should not be holding up any deal. Give me Slo Mo and extra picks to flip next year for Fox. We can’t be this dumb to then contend with a restricted free agent next year.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Shams credibility is at an all time high for me now.

[AirP.]

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Hmmmmmmmmm…..

Just listened to Shams, he never said the Miami official said it to Butler or his agent, he said the Miami official said it to someone in his camp. Both sides could be correct since neither is saying who this was said to by the Miami official.

On the threatening, someone could say players (or a particular player) in the past got suspended for that level of effort which isn't saying Butler could be suspended but hints it's happened so watch it. It just depends on how it's interpreted and with how things have been going since Riley held his conference, everything could be getting amplified into reading in what people are "really" or "not really" saying. It's a bad situation; it's why a lot of teams just cut ties before things spiral out of control.

[Voltron914]

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thats why jimmy was sitting down pouting. he just saw the new young thang walk in and all his leverage went out the window. sit him at home if he cant be a professional so teams can see what they are signing up for at 36yrs old and go in with the youth movement. Bam wll never be that #1 scorer so let Herro,Jaime, and Niko audition for it

[carnageta]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278632/Heat-Implying-Jimmy-Butler-Didnt-Play-Hard-In-Wednesday-Win-Was-Breaking-Point-Relationship-Is-Irreparable

Pretty soon he will try embarrassing the starters in practice and missing games with bouts of General Soreness. I am not here to rub it in, I am here to commiserate. Jimmy is a a** clown and no franchise deserves this. You guys will be okay though. Plenty of teams will think they can make Jimmy fall in line, and you might not get top dollar, but you will get a decent/good return. There will be brighter days soon, and you will be free of the General

Bam will try posting up Jimmy in the low-post; Jimmy will strip the ball on the first attempt, leading to a Josh Christopher break-away dunk. On the second attempt, Bam will opt for a contested fade-away 2 from 15 feet away, which will hit nothing but the backboard.

Jimmy will then look at Spolestra and sleepy Pat and yell "you f***in need me!". Pat will then give him a max contract and Jimmy will give him a brew of his freshly made Big Face Coffee. Sleepy Pat will then be Awakey Pat.

[carnageta]

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thats why jimmy was sitting down pouting. he just saw the new young thang walk in and all his leverage went out the window. sit him at home if he cant be a professional so teams can see what they are signing up for at 36yrs old and go in with the youth movement. Bam wll never be that #1 scorer so let Herro,Jaime, and Niko audition for it

Yeah bro, Kel'el Ware scoring 25 points last night was the breaking point

[Hoops3355]

Anyone else not even remotely excited at the possibility of getting Kuminga? The guy is about as mid as you can get, and if he wasn't playing on the Warriors no one would even know about him.

If there's one take away from the GSW is that they are mid at developing talent. I'd rather we move him to Sac in a Fox trade.

[DayofMourning]

Anyone else not even remotely excited at the possibility of getting Kuminga? The guy is about as mid as you can get, and if he wasn't playing on the Warriors no one would even know about him.

If there's one take away from the GSW is that they are mid at developing talent. I'd rather we move him to Sac in a Fox trade.

What would that look like for both teams?