GSW / MIN / MIA

[BlazersBroncos]

Golden State Trades
Andrew Wiggins to MIN
Gary Payton JR to MIN
Kyle Anderson to MIA
Jonathan Kuminga to MIA

Golden State Receives
Jimmy Butler from MIA
Alec Burks from MIA

Minnesota Trades
Julius Randle to MIA

Minnesota Receives
Andrew Wiggins from GSW
Gary Payton III from GSW

Miami Trades
Jimmy Butler to GSW
Alec Burks to GSW

Miami Receives
Julius Randle from MIN
Jonathan Kuminga from GSW
Kyle Anderson from GSW

WHY FOR GOLDEN STATE
They 'go for it' one last time by bringing another star into the mix. Butler is a unique player whos fit may not be the best on many teams but as a facilitator in the GSW system I think he could flourish. His ability to play PF also opens up a new type of 'death lineup' IMO. They cash alot of depth but the team is wildly deep and should still be able to field a deep enough roster.

G - Steph Curry / Brandin Podziemski / Dennis Schroder
G - Buddy Hield / Dennis Schroder / Alec Burks
F - Jimmy Butler / Moses Moody / Lindy Waters
F - Draymond Green / Jimmy Butler / Lindy Waters
C - Trayce Jackson-Davis / Draymond Green / Kevon Looney

WHY FOR MINNESOTA
The Randle move has just not fit. Here they take on a longer deal but a much better system fit IMO. GPIII gives them more devensive guard depth and can play multiple positions. I know the break w/ Wiggins was rough but IMO this move makes them a much more balanced squad.

G - Mike Conley JR / Donte DiVincenzo / Rob Dillingham
G - Anthony Edwards / Nickeil Alexander-Walker / Donte DiVincenzo
F - Andrew Wiggins / Josh Minott / Gary Payton JR / Joe Ingles
F - Jaden McDaniels / Naz Reid / Gary Payton JR / Joe Ingles
C - Rudy Gobert / Naz Reid / Luke Garza

WHY FOR MIAMI
They are in a unique spot. They likely dont want to take money that goes beyond the 25/26 season as they are aiming to be big players in 2026 offseason FA. They also likely want to make the playoffs this season to satisfy their pick obligation to OKC. This deal toes a line. They get Randle to stay competitive this year and go for the playoffs, they take a look at Kuminga and they get some ballhandling help and defense in Kyle (Whos deal goes beyond 26 but likely would be an easy dump to a playoff team)

G - Terry Rozier / Josh Richardson / Tyler Herro
G - Tyler Herro / Duncan Robinson / Pelle Larsen
F - Jamie Jacquez JR / Jonathan Kuminga / Haywood Highsmith
F - Julius Randle / Nikola Jovic / Kyle Anderson
C - Bam Adebayo / Ke'el Ware / Kevin Love

[winforlose]

Minnesota is not interested. We are not looking for SG and SF depth (we are probably the most overstuffed team in the league at those positions.) This trade manages to give away the only contract we can actually work with in trade (Randle,) while not addressing my any of our needs. Cut the Wolves out and add picks to whoever takes Wiggins bad money.

[BBallFreak]

You may as well include a 4th team to take Kuminga because I don't see us paying him. We'd want first round picks in exchange.

[eminence]

I’d switch the Anderson/Payton destinations if possible

[winforlose]

I’d switch the Anderson/Payton destinations if possible

Some Wolves fans would like Kyle back. But, with Wiggins money it isn’t possible. Also, Kyle was a spacing nightmare for the Wolves last season. Also we are really lacking at PG and C. Kyle isn’t a PG, at best he is a point forward who cannot space with Rudy. Also the Wolves have no space or desire for Wiggins. You would need a team to take him, and as we all know, the more teams you add to a trade, the less stable the trade becomes.

[schaffy]

Is this legal for Minnesota? As a 2nd apron team they can't aggregate and they also can't take in more than 100%. Randle is at 33 and change. Wiggins is at 26.2. GP3 makes more than the 6.8M difference there. Am I missing something?

[wolves_89]

There are so many problems with this for Minnesota. First, I don't see how this makes the Wolves better since the team already has more wing players than we can find minutes for, plus I don't see Wiggin/Payton as being any sort of upgrade. Second, Minnesota needs playoff caliber minutes at PG and C and this deal does nothing to help that issue. Third, there is no way Wiggins back to the Wolves is a good idea both in terms of his contract and his history with the franchise. Finally, the money isn't even legal. This one seems completely dead on arrival, at least from the Minnesota side.

[schaffy]

I’d switch the Anderson/Payton destinations if possible

Some Wolves fans would like Kyle back. But, with Wiggins money it isn’t possible. Also, Kyle was a spacing nightmare for the Wolves last season. Also we are really lacking at PG and C. Kyle isn’t a PG, at best he is a point forward who cannot space with Rudy. Also the Wolves have no space or desire for Wiggins. You would need a team to take him, and as we all know, the more teams you add to a trade, the less stable the trade becomes.

I don't know that I'd put myself in the camp that wants Kyle back, but I think the Kyle Anderson fit part is workable if he did. Last year was terrible from 3 but over the past 5 years he's been roughly league average -- with the caveat that its well below league average frequency. Thats not an impossible problem to work through if you can get the rotations right, and he was pretty good at finding Rudy on drives and in the paint. The staff would just have to be careful about who is out there with him, but it wasn't unworkable the past 2 years so not any huge concern. His ball handling and creation also help lessen the need for another PG -- he can handle some of that responsibility and with him, Conley and Dillingham along with some NAW/DDV/Ant minutes I think you'd have enough to get by. And on defense he was really a value add for them. He was a great communicator and someone they could just throw at problems to help them work through it as best they could.

The Wiggins piece is more interesting to me. I'd have to think about it more but at first glance I dont totally hate the idea of him and McDaniels at the 3/4 and it gives you more options to throw out there as perimeter defenders along with NAW. And as we saw last year this team's defense can take them pretty far, so looking to improve that again wouldn't be the worst idea. The non-Gobert minutes would be really small though with Naz as the only "big", so they'd have to really commit to ball pressure and getting out and running. You'd hurt the rebounding, but the spacing might tick up. Wiggins 3pt shot has improved over the years as has his rebounding. With Jaden's continued improvement in rebounding this year, if Rudy picked it back up there a little as well it might not be much of a drop off. And with an already below average rebounding team how much does it really hurt? (The other side being if you aren't good at something is it wise to make it worse?) Of course the on court downside is you lose the other on-ball creator that Randle has been and that in the playoffs the team pretty desperately needed vs Dallas. And the optics of bringing him back as basically the final part of the KAT trade might be too much to overcome.

But ultimately I tend to agree that I dont think the money works to bring back both guys which kinda kills it because they are dealing one of the few movable pieces they have and still left with holes (namely backup C but also on-ball creation) and no real avenues left to patch those over.

[Slim Tubby]

Golden State Trades
Andrew Wiggins to MIN
Gary Payton JR to MIN
Kyle Anderson to MIA
Jonathan Kuminga to MIA

Golden State Receives
Jimmy Butler from MIA
Alec Burks from MIA

Minnesota Trades
Julius Randle to MIA

Minnesota Receives
Andrew Wiggins from GSW
Gary Payton III from GSW

Miami Trades
Jimmy Butler to GSW
Alec Burks to GSW

Miami Receives
Julius Randle from MIN
Jonathan Kuminga from GSW
Kyle Anderson from GSW

WHY FOR GOLDEN STATE
They 'go for it' one last time by bringing another star into the mix. Butler is a unique player whos fit may not be the best on many teams but as a facilitator in the GSW system I think he could flourish. His ability to play PF also opens up a new type of 'death lineup' IMO. They cash alot of depth but the team is wildly deep and should still be able to field a deep enough roster.

G - Steph Curry / Brandin Podziemski / Dennis Schroder
G - Buddy Hield / Dennis Schroder / Alec Burks
F - Jimmy Butler / Moses Moody / Lindy Waters
F - Draymond Green / Jimmy Butler / Lindy Waters
C - Trayce Jackson-Davis / Draymond Green / Kevon Looney

WHY FOR MINNESOTA
The Randle move has just not fit. Here they take on a longer deal but a much better system fit IMO. GPIII gives them more devensive guard depth and can play multiple positions. I know the break w/ Wiggins was rough but IMO this move makes them a much more balanced squad.

G - Mike Conley JR / Donte DiVincenzo / Rob Dillingham
G - Anthony Edwards / Nickeil Alexander-Walker / Donte DiVincenzo
F - Andrew Wiggins / Josh Minott / Gary Payton JR / Joe Ingles
F - Jaden McDaniels / Naz Reid / Gary Payton JR / Joe Ingles
C - Rudy Gobert / Naz Reid / Luke Garza

WHY FOR MIAMI
They are in a unique spot. They likely dont want to take money that goes beyond the 25/26 season as they are aiming to be big players in 2026 offseason FA. They also likely want to make the playoffs this season to satisfy their pick obligation to OKC. This deal toes a line. They get Randle to stay competitive this year and go for the playoffs, they take a look at Kuminga and they get some ballhandling help and defense in Kyle (Whos deal goes beyond 26 but likely would be an easy dump to a playoff team)

G - Terry Rozier / Josh Richardson / Tyler Herro
G - Tyler Herro / Duncan Robinson / Pelle Larsen
F - Jamie Jacquez JR / Jonathan Kuminga / Haywood Highsmith
F - Julius Randle / Nikola Jovic / Kyle Anderson
C - Bam Adebayo / Ke'el Ware / Kevin Love

As a MIN fan, I'm going to need your home address, work schedule and a complete list of all your food allergies.

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[winforlose]

Golden State Trades
Andrew Wiggins to MIN
Gary Payton JR to MIN
Kyle Anderson to MIA
Jonathan Kuminga to MIA

Golden State Receives
Jimmy Butler from MIA
Alec Burks from MIA

Minnesota Trades
Julius Randle to MIA

Minnesota Receives
Andrew Wiggins from GSW
Gary Payton III from GSW

Miami Trades
Jimmy Butler to GSW
Alec Burks to GSW

Miami Receives
Julius Randle from MIN
Jonathan Kuminga from GSW
Kyle Anderson from GSW

WHY FOR GOLDEN STATE
They 'go for it' one last time by bringing another star into the mix. Butler is a unique player whos fit may not be the best on many teams but as a facilitator in the GSW system I think he could flourish. His ability to play PF also opens up a new type of 'death lineup' IMO. They cash alot of depth but the team is wildly deep and should still be able to field a deep enough roster.

G - Steph Curry / Brandin Podziemski / Dennis Schroder
G - Buddy Hield / Dennis Schroder / Alec Burks
F - Jimmy Butler / Moses Moody / Lindy Waters
F - Draymond Green / Jimmy Butler / Lindy Waters
C - Trayce Jackson-Davis / Draymond Green / Kevon Looney

WHY FOR MINNESOTA
The Randle move has just not fit. Here they take on a longer deal but a much better system fit IMO. GPIII gives them more devensive guard depth and can play multiple positions. I know the break w/ Wiggins was rough but IMO this move makes them a much more balanced squad.

G - Mike Conley JR / Donte DiVincenzo / Rob Dillingham
G - Anthony Edwards / Nickeil Alexander-Walker / Donte DiVincenzo
F - Andrew Wiggins / Josh Minott / Gary Payton JR / Joe Ingles
F - Jaden McDaniels / Naz Reid / Gary Payton JR / Joe Ingles
C - Rudy Gobert / Naz Reid / Luke Garza

WHY FOR MIAMI
They are in a unique spot. They likely dont want to take money that goes beyond the 25/26 season as they are aiming to be big players in 2026 offseason FA. They also likely want to make the playoffs this season to satisfy their pick obligation to OKC. This deal toes a line. They get Randle to stay competitive this year and go for the playoffs, they take a look at Kuminga and they get some ballhandling help and defense in Kyle (Whos deal goes beyond 26 but likely would be an easy dump to a playoff team)

G - Terry Rozier / Josh Richardson / Tyler Herro
G - Tyler Herro / Duncan Robinson / Pelle Larsen
F - Jamie Jacquez JR / Jonathan Kuminga / Haywood Highsmith
F - Julius Randle / Nikola Jovic / Kyle Anderson
C - Bam Adebayo / Ke'el Ware / Kevin Love

As a MIN fan, I'm going to need your home address, work schedule and a complete list of all your food allergies.

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LMAO. I don’t know why, but the first thing that popped into my head when reading this is you calling Devin Booker and arranging a finch like takedown.