Game 32: Sixers vs Warriors

[Arsenal]

Huge strategic error to play Jo tonight instead of last night. Tonight was going to be an L regardless. If we had taken care of business last night it wouldn’t be a big deal. Instead we lose both.

[JordanMars]

Iverson was a freak of nature...to expect anyone to have that same stamina is just stupid.

I swear this fanbase is so quick to get on any player for not being tough and then throw out a guy who is just not normal (not to mention ignoring his own issues most of the time). Its not about toughness...dude is allowed to run out of gas especially when more than likely he is in a role he isn't built for and often one of two guys worth a damn on the court scoring wise. Iverson being able to shoot 30-40 times a night no matter what is not a normal thing thats what made him special. And even then there was a ton of of 5/26 nights in those too and him not having a Biid or even a washed PG to also take shots only made him even more emboldened.

Its not about toughness or a guy not being good actually but rather the fact that basketball is a TEAM sport and too often we overtask guys for roles they aren't built for and then get mad when they can't superman the team on their back every night no matter what and then go bu-but Iverson tho or bu-but his contract doe. Its the Iggy thing all over again lol. Sometimes players are still good despite not being able to solo teams guys. Maxey again has legit won us a playoff game or two each year, he is going to be fine. He's not a set up guy sadly and a lot of this season banked on that but he is still an elite off ball threat...something that makes him very easy to build WITH even if not AROUND. And thats ok. You need guys who are good too...not everyone has to be the guy who carries. I swear this fanbase expects every player to be perfect and flawless and capable of putting up 50/20/10 at a moments notice.

well the reality is that we are paying three players “max” contracts and he is one of them. I don’t expect him to be flawless or perfect, but I would like to see a greater level of maturity and control on the court from rese.

[M2J]

As I said, we were one Caleb Martin hot from 3 game away from having zero wins against any quality opponent that was at full strength. We should have tanked. The org was dumb, especially once McCain was lost for the season.

Never too late and I agree.


I don't take too much from this game. The back to backs before spotlight games is dumb by the league. The refusal to play their star today instead of Monday and Wednesday or this upcoming Saturday when the rules are but to rest for national TV games... Yet your toughest matchups on your trip are back to backs. Still think this is mismanaged by team.

But, because that decided to mismanage before the season even started and Jared went down. They should've pulled the plug

[M2J]

Iverson was a freak of nature...to expect anyone to have that same stamina is just stupid.

I swear this fanbase is so quick to get on any player for not being tough and then throw out a guy who is just not normal (not to mention ignoring his own issues most of the time). Its not about toughness...dude is allowed to run out of gas especially when more than likely he is in a role he isn't built for and often one of two guys worth a damn on the court scoring wise. Iverson being able to shoot 30-40 times a night no matter what is not a normal thing thats what made him special. And even then there was a ton of of 5/26 nights in those too and him not having a Biid or even a washed PG to also take shots only made him even more emboldened.

Its not about toughness or a guy not being good actually but rather the fact that basketball is a TEAM sport and too often we overtask guys for roles they aren't built for and then get mad when they can't superman the team on their back every night no matter what and then go bu-but Iverson tho or bu-but his contract doe. Its the Iggy thing all over again lol. Sometimes players are still good despite not being able to solo teams guys. Maxey again has legit won us a playoff game or two each year, he is going to be fine. He's not a set up guy sadly and a lot of this season banked on that but he is still an elite off ball threat...something that makes him very easy to build WITH even if not AROUND. And thats ok. You need guys who are good too...not everyone has to be the guy who carries. I swear this fanbase expects every player to be perfect and flawless and capable of putting up 50/20/10 at a moments notice.

It's also short-sighted when folks don't put context to the team. 1. The team isn't built around Maxey, it's built around the unreliable one. For instance the team is clearly built for Maxey and George to be spacers for each other of course... and Joel creates different space of course. And also the non shooters like Oubre and Caleb and Drummond. With Jared out, team doesn't have great spacing without all 3 of the Big 3.
2. It's one thing to talk about guys carrying a bunch of role players with a filled out team like Iverson was, another thing to talk about a guy carrying Kyle Lowry and Eric Gordon or Paul Reed when 1 Max or 2 Max players are missing from a 3 Max team... Last season 3 Max spots were missing sometimes with Maxey on a rookie deal during that stretch with Harden traded for Batum. Tobias sucking and being in and out and Joel.... It is a team sport and G League and minimum players is not the same as quality role guys that aren't stars, but are stars in their role

[Mik317]

again IMO I think they banked on Maxey taking another leap as a PG, PG to be able to take on the closer role, and for Jo to not be on one leg already .....and have missed on all 3 of those things lol. That sucks but they doubled down it by virtually acting like everything else did not matter. IDK what else could have been done but the team needs another ballhandler...that way Maxey can get going off ball without Biid needing to always be there. That way Biid could get more consistent touches where he likes it. They put it all in one basket and are paying for it...and they don't have a way to pivot.

hence banking it all on ONE offseason LAST year was stupid as ****. The big move being an aging Paul George and pretty much nothing else is looking like a bad choice (again not sure what else was available) and adding on Maxey finally hitting a wall and Jo being on the downswing and it gets worse lol. The plan should have been getting younger and more athletic for years now imo.

[76ciology]

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[ProcessDoctor]

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Jimmy holds past grudges which is why contenders like Minny and Philly are teams he doesn't want to play for unless you forgot the whole Tobias mess. Now we can add Miami to that no joy list. He wants to play for GS, Rox, Mavs or Suns.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/report-jimmy-butler-prefers-a-trade-out-of-miami-at-deadline-suns-warriors-preferred-destinations

[Black Mage]

Just noting, our next b2b is a OKC/Knicks tilt so that's 2 more losses. Those games kick-off a 4 games in 5 nights stretch so Joel's likely to miss 2 games not just one. We then face at least another 3 or 4 contending teams to end this month and have a 5 games in 7 days stretch so how many games does Joel miss there?

This is where Morey ticks me off b/c he's a numbers guy and he has to see that b/c of our light game schedule early in the year we'd be facing heavy game loads later and our rough start isn't going to let the team rest Joel like they want or they do and they risk missing even the 10th seed.

[76ciology]

Always a smart move to short the Sixers

[mksp]

So Maxey is the problem, huh? This board man.

[eyeatoma]

So Maxey is the problem, huh? This board man.

Only mikray thinks so. He's our new resident troll. Most likely Bum.

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[ProcessDoctor]

Even though it's not going to happen, I think Jimmy's "point guard" skillset would fit well on this team. I would do PG for Butler straight up if Miami would. It all comes down to the playoffs anyway, and Jimmy >>> PG in that regard.

Maxey/Lowry
Butler/McCain
Martin/Oubre
Yabusele/Martin
Embiid/Drummond

Still need a 4, but if the ship is sinking, I'd rather it be with Butler than George.

[sixerguy]

Even though it's not going to happen, I think Jimmy's "point guard" skillset would fit well on this team. I would do PG for Butler straight up if Miami would.

An expiring contract is all we gonna get for PG. Name me a worse contract in the NBA. Let’s stop the suffering and not do a Tobias Harris all over again and be thankful to have that salary off the books.

[ProcessDoctor]

Even though it's not going to happen, I think Jimmy's "point guard" skillset would fit well on this team. I would do PG for Butler straight up if Miami would.

An expiring contract is all we gonna get for PG. Name me a worse contract in the NBA. Let’s stop the suffering and not do a Tobias Harris all over again and be thankful to have that salary off the books.

Fair, but I also don't think Riley will take back a pile of junk for Butler. The rest of that team is still built to compete, and George is still a very effective player. I'll be hard-pressed to find another team that can offer a better player than him. Play with trade machine and try sending Butler to GSW, DAL, or HOU. All 3 are very clunky or absurd salary matches.

[sixerguy]

Even though it's not going to happen, I think Jimmy's "point guard" skillset would fit well on this team. I would do PG for Butler straight up if Miami would.

An expiring contract is all we gonna get for PG. Name me a worse contract in the NBA. Let’s stop the suffering and not do a Tobias Harris all over again and be thankful to have that salary off the books.

Fair, but I also don't think Riley will take back a pile of junk for Butler. The rest of the team is still built to compete, and George is still a very effective player. I'll be hard-pressed to find another team that can offer a better player than him.

So George IS a pile of junk IMO as his contract, injury history, and poor playoff performance is part of the package in a salary cap world. 4 more years man, if we can get rid of him without giving up draft picks I say do it

[ProcessDoctor]

An expiring contract is all we gonna get for PG. Name me a worse contract in the NBA. Let’s stop the suffering and not do a Tobias Harris all over again and be thankful to have that salary off the books.

Fair, but I also don't think Riley will take back a pile of junk for Butler. The rest of the team is still built to compete, and George is still a very effective player. I'll be hard-pressed to find another team that can offer a better player than him.

So George IS a pile of junk IMO as his contract, injury history, and poor playoff performance is part of the package in a salary cap world. 4 more years man, if we can get rid of him without giving up draft picks I say do it

I don’t agree. I think his value sits around where Westbrooks was circa his Houston days. He ended up getting traded for John Wall and a 1st.

I think when you’re comparing George’s current value to Butler’s, they’re not far off. Butler has left every team he’s ever been on on bad terms. I imagine Morey would already be lining up an extension for Butler in this scenario too.

From Miami’s side, you’re looking at Andrew Wiggins as the alternate best centerpiece. Houston can't trade Jalen Green this year. Dallas's "centerpiece" would be several 10-15 mil guys, with PJ Washington probably being the best player among them.

[mjkvol]

Fair, but I also don't think Riley will take back a pile of junk for Butler. The rest of the team is still built to compete, and George is still a very effective player. I'll be hard-pressed to find another team that can offer a better player than him.

So George IS a pile of junk IMO as his contract, injury history, and poor playoff performance is part of the package in a salary cap world. 4 more years man, if we can get rid of him without giving up draft picks I say do it

I don’t agree. I think his value sits around where Westbrooks was circa his Houston days. He ended up getting traded for John Wall and a 1st.

I think when you’re comparing George’s current value to Butler’s, they’re not far off. Butler has left every team he’s ever been on on bad terms. I imagine Morey would already be lining up an extension for Butler in this scenario too.

From Miami’s side, you’re looking at Andrew Wiggins as the alternate best centerpiece. Houston can't trade Jalen Green this year. Dallas's "centerpiece" would be several 10-15 mil guys, with PJ Washington probably being the best player among them.

The way this team is set up, I wouldn't object to extending Butler to coincide with Embiid's contract. If we're going to keep Embiid, let's get him the one guy he wanted here all along and who fits this roster to a 'T'. Gives us a couple of years beyond this one to make a couple of runs, and Morey can fill around the edges as we go.

[Negrodamus]

I, unfortunately, don't think the Heat would want PG for a multitude of reasons. I don't know the full scope of Butler's disgruntled situation, but I imagine it has to do with Heat winding down Butler from the the guy and letting the other forwards start to take a bigger role (Jaquez, Jovic, even want to have Herro take the reins as the scorer). PG would just be another ego wanting to take x amount of shots. He also doesn't really feel like the type of guy who will fully buy in to the Spoelstra high effort mentality.

Of anyone on our team, I imagine they'd want McCain; fits perfect for their vision and the gap on their team. Maxey too, but that's obviously not happening.

[Negrodamus]

I could see a situation with Sixers, Heat, and Kings built around Fox going to Heat, PG plus picks/young guys to Kings, and Butler to the Sixers.

Making the contracts work is the most difficult part, but it makes sense for everyone: Kings still try to compete with PG while continuing to build for the future, Heat get their next gen star who is at a standstill with his current team (also gets to play with his buddies Herro and Bam), Sixers get Embiid his best buddy.