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2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3

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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#361 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:53 pm

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winforlose wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278632/Heat-Implying-Jimmy-Butler-Didnt-Play-Hard-In-Wednesday-Win-Was-Breaking-Point-Relationship-Is-Irreparable

Pretty soon he will try embarrassing the starters in practice and missing games with bouts of General Soreness. I am not here to rub it in, I am here to commiserate. Jimmy is a a** clown and no franchise deserves this. You guys will be okay though. Plenty of teams will think they can make Jimmy fall in line, and you might not get top dollar, but you will get a decent/good return. There will be brighter days soon, and you will be free of the General :)


Bam will try posting up Jimmy in the low- post; Jimmy will strip the ball on the first attempt, leading to a Josh Christopher break-away dunk. On the second attempt, Bam will opt for a contested fade-away 2 from 15 feet away, which will hit nothing but the backboard.

Jimmy will then look at Spolestra and sleepy Pat and yell "you f***in need me!". Pat will then give him a max contract and Jimmy will give him a brew of his freshly made Big Face Coffee. Sleepy Pat will then be Awakey Pat.


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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#362 » by Lennyzinho » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:54 pm

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We were stuck. Part of it was our fault for overpaying a dude like Duncan that no one wanted on such a long deal.

Herro showing now that his deal was worth it but was too young and still developing and his timeline didn't match up with Jimmy's.

And lastly the biggest issue I'll never get over, trading for Lowry and giving him 3-90M when he was already a shell of himself and raptors were perfectly fine on letting him move on. Lowry ruined Jimmy's timeline here. And then we panicked and sent a first to get rozier and dumped Lowry.

How were we to make moves when we had no real assets in terms of picks and all our cap was stuck on players nobody wanted? Duncan is on Riley but Lowry, who I felt was the bigger problem, is on jimmy.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#363 » by AirP. » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:56 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#364 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:58 pm

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carnageta wrote:Anyone else not even remotely excited at the possibility of getting Kuminga? The guy is about as mid as you can get, and if he wasn't playing on the Warriors no one would even know about him.


If there's one take away from the GSW is that they are mid at developing talent. I'd rather we move him to Sac in a Fox trade.


What would that look like for both teams?


3 1sts Kuminga Looney or anderson and Terry to Sacramento

Jimmy to GS

Fox Payton and Wiggins to Miami
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#365 » by Flash4thewin » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:01 pm

Lennyzinho wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Read on Twitter


We were stuck. Part of it was our fault for overpaying a dude like Duncan that no one wanted on such a long deal.

Herro showing now that his deal was worth it but was too young and still developing and his timeline didn't match up with Jimmy's.

And lastly the biggest issue I'll never get over, trading for Lowry and giving him 3-90M when he was already a shell of himself and raptors were perfectly fine on letting him move on. Lowry ruined Jimmy's timeline here. And then we panicked and sent a first to get rozier and dumped Lowry.

How were we to make moves when we had no real assets in terms of picks and all our cap was stuck on players nobody wanted? Duncan is on Riley but Lowry, who I felt was the bigger problem, is on jimmy.


I think you are forgetting maxing Bam a year early when we could have used that money to get another star. Then compound that with the Duncan signing. In retrospect and not even Monday morning quarter backing, our front office was operating at a Cleveland level of incompetence. Then using asset after asset for cap purposes, ugh.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#366 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:02 pm

Read on Twitter


FWIW which is likely nothing
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#367 » by carnageta » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:02 pm

Lennyzinho wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Read on Twitter


We were stuck. Part of it was our fault for overpaying a dude like Duncan that no one wanted on such a long deal.

Herro showing now that his deal was worth it but was too young and still developing and his timeline didn't match up with Jimmy's.

And lastly the biggest issue I'll never get over, trading for Lowry and giving him 3-90M when he was already a shell of himself and raptors were perfectly fine on letting him move on. Lowry ruined Jimmy's timeline here. And then we panicked and sent a first to get rozier and dumped Lowry.

How were we to make moves when we had no real assets in terms of picks and all our cap was stuck on players nobody wanted? Duncan is on Riley but Lowry, who I felt was the bigger problem, is on jimmy.


Part of this is true, but part of this is revisionist history.

In 2019-2020 - after we acquired Iguodala and Crowder - Pat had the extended opportunity to also get Gallo and CP3 for very cheap. Gallo was averaging 19 ppg in OKC that year but was on a multi-year contract, and Chris Paul was an expiring. OKC was cleaning house for the grand reset. However, we didn't want to take on any salary that would get in the way of the 2021 offseason (the year Giannis was going to be a free agent) and so we didn't make the trade. Giannis ended up signing an extension about 8 months later and eventually won the championship in 2021, rendering that entire plan 'moot'. We instead used the money to sign 36 YO Kyle Lowry.


Point being, we had an opportunity to get greater depth around Jimmy back when he was just 30, and opted to not do it. With Gallo and CP3 on the roster, perhaps we get the job done agains the Lakers in the finals.

This is just one example. @AirP has about a dozen up his sleeve too.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#368 » by DayofMourning » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:03 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
Hoops3355 wrote:
If there's one take away from the GSW is that they are mid at developing talent. I'd rather we move him to Sac in a Fox trade.


What would that look like for both teams?


3 1sts Kuminga Looney or anderson and Terry to Sacramento

Jimmy to GS

Fox Payton and Wiggins to Miami


Sign me up. Let this franchise rest its hopes on the backs of the three Kentucky boys and the Kentucky kid himself, Pat Riley.
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Post#369 » by AirP. » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:11 pm

Someting that hasn't really been floated out there and it makes some sense to me. Phoenix, not moving Beal but one of KD or Booker to not just get Butler but other assets also. Phoenix can then move Beal to the #2 option and better utilize his strengths than they are now. Riley could push a Butler + more package for KD or try to rope Houston in who has been after KD and has draft assets and young players to help both Miami and Phoenix young players/draft assets.

Although I think it was a win in talent for Phoenix to get Beal for very little, he doesn't fit on a team with 2 volume scorers as a volume scorer himself. Maybe Phoenix makes Nurkic part of the parameters of the deal and gets back S.Adams and J.Smith with Butler in the deal.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#370 » by Hoops3355 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:14 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
Hoops3355 wrote:
If there's one take away from the GSW is that they are mid at developing talent. I'd rather we move him to Sac in a Fox trade.


What would that look like for both teams?


3 1sts Kuminga Looney or anderson and Terry to Sacramento

Jimmy to GS

Fox Payton and Wiggins to Miami



I really don't think Fox is going to be expensive. He's got 100% leverage over the Kings on the trade front since no is going to be able to pay him substantially more.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#371 » by ZoStrong » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:15 pm

carnageta wrote:
winforlose wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278632/Heat-Implying-Jimmy-Butler-Didnt-Play-Hard-In-Wednesday-Win-Was-Breaking-Point-Relationship-Is-Irreparable

Pretty soon he will try embarrassing the starters in practice and missing games with bouts of General Soreness. I am not here to rub it in, I am here to commiserate. Jimmy is a a** clown and no franchise deserves this. You guys will be okay though. Plenty of teams will think they can make Jimmy fall in line, and you might not get top dollar, but you will get a decent/good return. There will be brighter days soon, and you will be free of the General :)


Bam will try posting up Jimmy in the low-post; Jimmy will strip the ball on the first attempt, leading to a Josh Christopher break-away dunk. On the second attempt, Bam will opt for a contested fade-away 2 from 15 feet away, which will hit nothing but the backboard.

Jimmy will then look at Spolestra and sleepy Pat and yell "you f***in need me!". Pat will then give him a max contract and Jimmy will give him a brew of his freshly made Big Face Coffee. Sleepy Pat will then be Awakey Pat.


Haha, sure, but I wanna see Jimmy attacking Bam on the offense. Bam's no Towns. He can lock Jimmy up, I bet in practice w no refs to bail him out w quick whistles
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#372 » by ZoStrong » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:18 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
What would that look like for both teams?


3 1sts Kuminga Looney or anderson and Terry to Sacramento

Jimmy to GS

Fox Payton and Wiggins to Miami


Sign me up. Let this franchise rest its hopes on the backs of the three Kentucky boys and the Kentucky kid himself, Pat Riley.


Kentucky vs Villanova in the second round of the playoff this year, lol
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#373 » by winforlose » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:19 pm

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How dumb a take can Stephen A make. Why would the Heat trade Butler for Beal? Beal is the worst contract in the league, has a no trade clause, and the Suns have no picks to sweeten the deal. Just bizarre.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#374 » by SerialChiller » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:20 pm

DayofMourning wrote:I traded Butler 2 years ago for a haul.


Same right after the failed Dame trade fell through that was the time!
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#375 » by Bmaster » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:22 pm

I like this one:
Golden State Warriors Receive: Jimmy Butler and Jalen Wilson

Golden State Warriors Lose: Andrew Wiggins, Gary Payton II, Buddy Hield, Jonathan Kuminga, a 2025 first-round pick and a 2027 first-round pick

Miami Heat Receive: Cameron Johnson, Buddy Hield, Jonathan Kuminga, Ziaire Williams, a 2025 first-round pick (via Golden State) and a 2027 first-round pick (via Golden State)

Miami Heat Lose: Jimmy Butler, Pelle Larsson and a top-10 protected 2030 first-round pick

Brooklyn Nets Receive: Andrew Wiggins, Gary Payton II, Pelle Larsson and a top-10 protected 2030 first-round pick (via Miami)

Brooklyn Nets Lose: Cameron Johnson, Ziaire Williams and Jalen Wilson
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#376 » by unowen85 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:26 pm

We’re gonna trade Jimmy out west and then meet that team in the Finals thanks to Herro’s All NBA season. And then Heat win championship and Herro is Finals MVP.
For a long time it gave me nightmares,witnessing an injustice like that.It’s a constant reminder of just how unfair this world can be.I can still hear them taunting him, Silly Rabbit tricks are for kids.I mean why couldn’t they just give him some cereal?
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#377 » by greg4012 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:28 pm

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AirP. wrote:Nobody wants undersized players, the bigger the players with skill the better but Spoelstra's gone with undersized players to get the type of skill he wanted at those positions. My point is that Riley wouldn't have, he'd stay with size and toughness, one person believes in 3s are that important and the other probably doesn't value them as much as defense/rebounding. It's kinda hard to say everyone is on the same page when 2 of the 5 1st round draft picks have been used in the last 5 years were on centers, a position of strength for Miami while there were bigger holes to fill.


I see how you can have that perspective based on projecting those assumptions onto the situation.

I disagree and see it differently. The Heat have been drafting skillsets. The Heat—from Spo to FO to Scouting spoke a lot about Ware’s skillset in how he can fit with Bam and play to a style that they are pursuing. I think there’s more internal alignment between player acquisition, dev program, and coaching than the narrative being pushed.

So, you think Spoelstra is wanting to move Bam's offense to PF, go more towards drop coverage because of Ware at the 5 and utilize less of Bam's strengths which one would be his ability to switch and guard anyone on the court? I don't know why you'd give up trying to get a 37-40% 3pt volume shooter at a much lower price than the max then live with Bam playing that role at the max.


Whether intentional or not, you're trying really hard to conflate this. You ask me if I think Spoelstra is wanting Bam to "go more towards drop coverage because of Ware at the 5 and utilize less of Bam's stregths which one would be his ability to switch and guard anyone on the court". My answer to that is that you may need to pay better attention because that's something that has already happened independent of Ware.

The drop remains but one part of the package – 53.5 percent of his coverages have been drop, a career high and just three percentage points behind Gobert, where common comparison Draymond Green never topped 40 percent – and of the 33 players who have defended at least 1,000 screens in any coverage, Adebayo moves all the way up to No. 5 at 0.96 points allowed per action, his 0.83 mark when the ballhandler attacks in a dead heat with Gobert.


Link: https://www.nba.com/heat/news/bam-adebayo-plus-one-defensive-player-of-the-year

Spo ramped up drop coverage and blended coverages to a huge degree as of last season, and guess what, Bam proved to make it a strength, as well.

I think Bam--with Spo's support and guidance--is continually rounding out his game on both ends to be as multi-faceted as possible. That means being more comfortable playing on the perimeter and taking open 3s. That means more drop coverage and distinct defensive assignments. That means more multi-faceted in who he can complement on the court.

Yes, I'd rather have a DPOY on the floor that plays his game but can also space the floor in a pinch and accommodate his teammates rather than trot out a Davis Bertans for heavy minutes.

Any Bam-Ware fit dialogue is looking at the next chunk of years, not the next chunk of games this season. That's what Miami's operating lens should be in a post-Jimmy scenario.

Like I've said (and is common sense), if the other players on the floor are shooters, then it makes it easier to fit Bam's game with them rather than hope he turns into a volume 35%+ shooter from 3. If he can be an occasional 35% shooter from 3 (not unlike Jimmy's approach), then that's the win that I believe Miami and Bam are working towards.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#378 » by SerialChiller » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:32 pm



Go to 12:51....Wade clearly knew what was going on here.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#379 » by greg4012 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:34 pm

winforlose wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278632/Heat-Implying-Jimmy-Butler-Didnt-Play-Hard-In-Wednesday-Win-Was-Breaking-Point-Relationship-Is-Irreparable

Pretty soon he will try embarrassing the starters in practice and missing games with bouts of General Soreness. I am not here to rub it in, I am here to commiserate. Jimmy is a a** clown and no franchise deserves this. You guys will be okay though. Plenty of teams will think they can make Jimmy fall in line, and you might not get top dollar, but you will get a decent/good return. There will be brighter days soon, and you will be free of the General :)


I'd take the ride again. Knowing it has a shaky finish doesn't take away from the quality of it. Great times had. Endure rebuilding/retooling. Don't let bullsh*t noise affect me personally.
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3 

Post#380 » by DayofMourning » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:37 pm

ZoStrong wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
3 1sts Kuminga Looney or anderson and Terry to Sacramento

Jimmy to GS

Fox Payton and Wiggins to Miami


Sign me up. Let this franchise rest its hopes on the backs of the three Kentucky boys and the Kentucky kid himself, Pat Riley.


Kentucky vs Villanova in the second round of the playoff this year, lol


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