Heat/Warriors/Spurs

[louc1970]

Curry on his last run. Spurs trying to build. Heat need some youth (and away from Butler).

Spurs trade Keldon Johnson
Spurs receive Wiggins and 2 - 26 SRPs
Spurs get a better defensive player, one who has been in the championship and knows Chris Paul. For taking on $7M they will get 2 SRPs to use in future trades.

Miami trades Butler, 26 SRP (Jovic could be included)
Miami receives Johnson, Kuminga, Looney, Payton
Miami is able to get a young SF with a declining contract in Johnson. He can be kept and Robinson/Jaquez can be moved or moved on to another team without much loss. The prize is Kuminga who the Warriors seem reluctant to sign at a large enough number to keep him happy. Miami saves about $5M. Instead of getting picks they get a young 22 year old to partner with Herro, Ware, Jaquez.

Warriors trade Wiggins, Kuminga, Looney, Payton and 26 SRP.
Warriors get Butler (and Jovic).
Warriors go for a last effort to make something happen. Curry/Butler/Green will last until Curry's contract ends.

Who is getting the better end of the deal and who is getting the shaft?

[BBallFreak]

Miami shouldn't be including Jovic. If we're trading Jimmy for youth, we should keep our own, but I'm not into this trade as is. I'd want to move Kuminga and Johnson because we shouldn't be paying kuminga and we shouldn't be paying Johnson for three years. We're focused on maintaining flexibility on the following offseason.KJ's and Kuminga's inclusion eschews that plan and I don't think they're worth it.

[NW]

Putting Wiggins and Kuminga into a Butler deal wasn’t appealing prior to last night. Even less so now. Don’t see GS going past Wiggins/Filler contracts/protected first for Butler and whatever small contracts needed to get GS up to 14 players

[BBallFreak]

Putting Wiggins and Kuminga into a Butler deal wasn’t appealing prior to last night. Even less so now. Don’t see GS going past Wiggins/Filler contracts/protected first for Butler and whatever small contracts needed to get GS up to 14 players

I don't see the incentive for Miami to touch Wiggins. We're looking for flexibility for the 26 off-season. Keeping Jimmy is a better plan than whatever garbage that offer is.

[Mavrelous]

I think a deal around Wiggins and GSW facilitate dumping GPII/Anderson elsewhere makes sense, Wiggins replaces Butler as a big wing, Heat save a fortune in taxes.

[NW]

Putting Wiggins and Kuminga into a Butler deal wasn’t appealing prior to last night. Even less so now. Don’t see GS going past Wiggins/Filler contracts/protected first for Butler and whatever small contracts needed to get GS up to 14 players

I don't see the incentive for Miami to touch Wiggins. We're looking for flexibility for the 26 off-season. Keeping Jimmy is a better plan than whatever garbage that offer is.

Keep him and he helps you make the playoffs and convey the pick to OKC. Or toss him to a third contending team in need of a good 3 and D wing. Letting Butler walk gets you in the same spot as the Clips post PG-funds to add good supporting role players. But, that’s not the game the Heat are hunting is it? Seems deals with expirings and draft capital are better bait

[BBallFreak]

Putting Wiggins and Kuminga into a Butler deal wasn’t appealing prior to last night. Even less so now. Don’t see GS going past Wiggins/Filler contracts/protected first for Butler and whatever small contracts needed to get GS up to 14 players

I don't see the incentive for Miami to touch Wiggins. We're looking for flexibility for the 26 off-season. Keeping Jimmy is a better plan than whatever garbage that offer is.

Keep him and he helps you make the playoffs and convey the pick to OKC. Or toss him to a third contending team in need of a good 3 and D wing. Letting Butler walk gets you in the same spot as the Clips post PG-funds to add good supporting role players. But, that’s not the game the Heat are hunting is it? Seems deals with expirings and draft capital are better bait

You're not offering that, and we're not the Clippers. Keeping Jimmy, even if we have him through next year, has us in a better position than taking Wiggins because our goal is the 2026 season.

Miami with Bam and Herro in 2026 is going to be a free agent draw. We're just trying to milk value from Jimmy and keep sight of our goal. Either meet that or go try and low-ball someone else.

[NW]

I don't see the incentive for Miami to touch Wiggins. We're looking for flexibility for the 26 off-season. Keeping Jimmy is a better plan than whatever garbage that offer is.

Keep him and he helps you make the playoffs and convey the pick to OKC. Or toss him to a third contending team in need of a good 3 and D wing. Letting Butler walk gets you in the same spot as the Clips post PG-funds to add good supporting role players. But, that’s not the game the Heat are hunting is it? Seems deals with expirings and draft capital are better bait

You're not offering that, and we're not the Clippers. Keeping Jimmy, even if we have him through next year, has us in a better position than taking Wiggins because our goal is the 2026 season.

Miami with Bam and Herro in 2026 is going to be a free agent draw. We're just trying to milk value from Jimmy and keep sight of our goal. Either meet that or go try and low-ball someone else.

The players beyond Wiggins are expiring or non guaranteed money and I mentioned a protected first, so yes that is what’s offered. The Jimmy value ship has sailed quite a bit imo. But hold onto him for another year when he opts in. I’m sure that will go well. How much of a free agent draw the Heat will be will also be contingent on what FAs are available. You think Fox is making it to 2026 without being dealt and extended first?

Don’t consider it a lowball for where Jimmy’s at, but agree to disagree

[BBallFreak]

Keep him and he helps you make the playoffs and convey the pick to OKC. Or toss him to a third contending team in need of a good 3 and D wing. Letting Butler walk gets you in the same spot as the Clips post PG-funds to add good supporting role players. But, that’s not the game the Heat are hunting is it? Seems deals with expirings and draft capital are better bait

You're not offering that, and we're not the Clippers. Keeping Jimmy, even if we have him through next year, has us in a better position than taking Wiggins because our goal is the 2026 season.

Miami with Bam and Herro in 2026 is going to be a free agent draw. We're just trying to milk value from Jimmy and keep sight of our goal. Either meet that or go try and low-ball someone else.

The players beyond Wiggins are expiring or non guaranteed money and I mentioned a protected first, so yes that is what’s offered. The Jimmy value ship has sailed quite a bit imo. But hold onto him for another year when he opts in. I’m sure that will go well. How much of a free agent draw the Heat will be will also be contingent on what FAs are available. You think Fox is making it to 2026 without being dealt and extended first?

Don’t consider it a lowball for where Jimmy’s at, but agree to disagree

Wiggins is going to be for $30 million in the off-season we're targeting! You don't see that as a deal breaker for us? And your compensation is a first? No! The first of what you pay to upgrade with contracts that expire when we want! We're not eating your contract for the hell of it.

[jbk1234]

FWIW it's worth I have Wiggins as a better all around player than either Johnson or Kuminga, and after Kuminga gets paid this summer, he'll likely have the best contract of the three. If everyone else is convinced he's a negative, the Cavs should be the third team here. We've got an expiring LeVert and Okoro or Strus.

[NW]

You're not offering that, and we're not the Clippers. Keeping Jimmy, even if we have him through next year, has us in a better position than taking Wiggins because our goal is the 2026 season.

Miami with Bam and Herro in 2026 is going to be a free agent draw. We're just trying to milk value from Jimmy and keep sight of our goal. Either meet that or go try and low-ball someone else.

The players beyond Wiggins are expiring or non guaranteed money and I mentioned a protected first, so yes that is what’s offered. The Jimmy value ship has sailed quite a bit imo. But hold onto him for another year when he opts in. I’m sure that will go well. How much of a free agent draw the Heat will be will also be contingent on what FAs are available. You think Fox is making it to 2026 without being dealt and extended first?

Don’t consider it a lowball for where Jimmy’s at, but agree to disagree

Wiggins is going to be for $30 million in the off-season we're targeting! You don't see that as a deal breaker for us? And your compensation is a first? No! The first of what you pay to upgrade with contracts that expire when we want! We're not eating your contract for the hell of it.

Wiggins is a good player, not dead money-and a player’s option expiring deal in the year you’re targeting. Moveable now probably, more moveable then for capital imo. But again, agree to disagree I guess good luck on getting expiring to short deals and draft capital for a guy who just announced Miami has a place he has no joy in playing ball. Or keep him an extra year. Sure it’ll go great

[BBallFreak]

The players beyond Wiggins are expiring or non guaranteed money and I mentioned a protected first, so yes that is what’s offered. The Jimmy value ship has sailed quite a bit imo. But hold onto him for another year when he opts in. I’m sure that will go well. How much of a free agent draw the Heat will be will also be contingent on what FAs are available. You think Fox is making it to 2026 without being dealt and extended first?

Don’t consider it a lowball for where Jimmy’s at, but agree to disagree

Wiggins is going to be for $30 million in the off-season we're targeting! You don't see that as a deal breaker for us? And your compensation is a first? No! The first of what you pay to upgrade with contracts that expire when we want! We're not eating your contract for the hell of it.

Wiggins is a good player, not dead money-and a player’s option expiring deal in the year you’re targeting. Moveable now probably, more moveable then for capital imo. But again, agree to disagree I guess good luck on getting expiring to short deals and draft capital for a guy who just announced Miami has a place he has no joy in playing ball. Or keep him an extra year. Sure it’ll go great

And there is is. Do my trade or suffer.

That's not how this works. Their are a lot of teams out there and someone will talk themselves into giving up value.

[NW]

Wiggins is going to be for $30 million in the off-season we're targeting! You don't see that as a deal breaker for us? And your compensation is a first? No! The first of what you pay to upgrade with contracts that expire when we want! We're not eating your contract for the hell of it.

Wiggins is a good player, not dead money-and a player’s option expiring deal in the year you’re targeting. Moveable now probably, more moveable then for capital imo. But again, agree to disagree I guess good luck on getting expiring to short deals and draft capital for a guy who just announced Miami has a place he has no joy in playing ball. Or keep him an extra year. Sure it’ll go great

And there is is. Do my trade or suffer.

That's not how this works. Their are a lot of teams out there and someone will talk themselves into giving up value.

Nope, if the Heat can do better, shake hands and wish them well. Good luck

[BBallFreak]

Wiggins is a good player, not dead money-and a player’s option expiring deal in the year you’re targeting. Moveable now probably, more moveable then for capital imo. But again, agree to disagree I guess good luck on getting expiring to short deals and draft capital for a guy who just announced Miami has a place he has no joy in playing ball. Or keep him an extra year. Sure it’ll go great

And there is is. Do my trade or suffer.

That's not how this works. Their are a lot of teams out there and someone will talk themselves into giving up value.

Nope, if the Heat can do better, shake hands and wish them well. Good luck

That's my point. No need to take whatever you feel like offering. Wiggins is fine but to us he's a big negative.

[DonaldSanders]

That's my point. No need to take whatever you feel like offering. Wiggins is fine but to us he's a big negative.

Wiggins is having a good year, I think it's time for people to adjust their view away from last year's struggles where he dealt with his father dying of cancer. Fine if you don't want him, but look into him -- he's certainly not a 'big negative'.

[BBallFreak]

That's my point. No need to take whatever you feel like offering. Wiggins is fine but to us he's a big negative.

Wiggins is having a good year, I think it's time for people to adjust their view away from last year's struggles where he dealt with his father dying of cancer. Fine if you don't want him, but look into him -- he's certainly not a 'big negative'.

That's got nothing to do with it. We're targeting cap space in 2026. He's due $30 million that year. That's why I said "to us." I actually really like him as a player, he's just not what we need right now.

[wemby]

Hmmm... Wiggins contract runs as long as Keldon but it's A LOT more pricey, that 7 million figure advertised is only in year 1, but it's also 11 million in year 2 and 13 million in year 3. I like Wiggins, but I'm unsure about how this would affect the Spurs plans in 26 free agency. I lean towards no, but it's not a GTFOH kind of no.